Joondalup City Council Beach Management Plan

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tightlines
tightlines
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13 Mar 2010 11:19am
North said...

Hey Big Al,
I'm pretty sure the yellow markers refer to the waterskiing area boundaries


Yep according to the person I spoke to from the Council last week they are to do with the waterskiing area, nothing to do with kiting at all.
oceanfire
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17 Mar 2010 3:25pm
As a newbie to kiting, I haven't been on the scene long enough to know what the issues are you all had with the JCC & Mullaloo SLSC last year; I haven't heard of anyone being decapitated by kite lines or seriously injured by a kiter.
But as a multiple use beach user (like us all) I feel that I have to wade into this discussion.

It seems to me, perhaps wrongly, that the whole beach use investigation/persecution has been spurred on in response to a bit of a p*ssing contest for turf rights started by a small vocal minority.
It also seems that a lot of the attention has been unfairly placed onto the kiters who use the Mullaloo & Pinnaroo Point areas, maybe it seems this way due to my only exposure to this issue has been through this forum, I haven't checked out any jet ski or fishing forums to see if they are just as much up in arms as much as us all here.

The beach is a common place for everyone;
Yesterday I was having a lesson at Pinnaroo point, halfway through I was exiting the water, the water was about waist deep when I stepped on a fish hook & got it stuck in my foot.
What followed would have looked pretty funny if you didn't know what was going on; I fell to my knees & was rolling around onto my ass a bit as I struggled to regain my footing & not step on my afflicted foot, all the while trying to keep the kite in the air & not crash it on anyone.
I could feel that there was line pressure on the hook & was hoping it wasn't somehow snagged on anything (even though I know full well that there's nothing to get snagged on at Pinnaroo) as I regained my footing & got out of the water; I ended up being able to pull it out of my foot while keeping the kite in the air & asked another kiter walking by, to put it in the bin for me (thanks mate), then kept going with my lesson, I'm tough like that ;)
It ended up being a full rig from hook, which was a bit smaller than the size used on ganged tailor rigs, to swivel & small running sinker.

On top of that, the amount of times I've seen fisher folk set up & cast out amongst swimmers, kiters & others is mind boggling.
I mean right in the middle of anyone who is already there, often they set up right in the middle of the kite school at Pinnaroo Point, it's a designated school area with signs & they see fit to set up right there, with a 'stuff you Joe I'm alright' attitude.
And on the weekends, people swimming, jet skis roaring around & the fisher folk set up & cast out thinking they're gonna catch something with all that activity in the water.
Not to mention putting people at risk of getting hooked, letting their empty bait bags fly down the beach etc

So why does fishing only rate as a 'Medium risk activity?
So whilst the kiters, jet skiers & windsurfers are being faced with having restrictions/safety requirements placed on them, why stop there?

Fishers should be tested & certified in the skills of knot tying so they don't lose rigs in wading distance of the shore, social awareness of other beach users and also be subject to spot gear inspections to make sure they're not using old tackle that will break at the first cast, AND be made to carry self closing bins of a certain capacity so they can dispose of their rubbish effectively.

Swimmers should not be allowed into the water at any beach unless they have achieved a competent nationally recognised level of swimming skill, checkable on the spot by a current swimming certificate.

All dog owners should made to have their animals wear doggy diapers to avoid leaving their faeces & urine all over the beach.

Where do we stop? Why regulate/restrict a few when the actions of all beach users can have an effect on everyone on the beach?

My point is that we are a beach loving nation, there is always a lot of activity at our beaches by many different types of beach users, so common sense should prevail & we all need to learn to get along and work around & with each other to keep things friendly & most importantly, safe.
Without over regulation & restrictions.

Conflict like the current issue is usually caused by the actions of a few irresponsible people being complained about to local government by a small vocal minority.
So what else is the local government going to do?
They're going to apply the bureaucratic oil to the squeaky wheel in any way they can and if imposing heavy restrictions on the complainees placates & gets the complaining parties off their back, then so be it.

Situations like this are not often best resolved directly by local government, all the local government wants to do is make the noise (of complaints) go away, that way they have a measurable test of success, whether it in the best interests of everybody or not.
Being that the local government have opened up the issue for public comment shows that they are making an effort to understand the various views, although I'm not familiar with any previous step taken & restrictions already imposed, I assume that they are trying to approach this issue even handedly.

But when this type of situation flares up, people can get their backs up & take the defensive & being in a defensive position is not conducive to letting the other side's point of view get through.
Now I don't know if the people complaining are actually fronting up to any meetings that the local government are having with the various affected groups or if they are hiding behind the council; I don't even know if there are meetings being held, but frankly, I tend to believe that the complainers are hiding behind the local government & using them to attack kiters & the other affected parties, for whatever reasons they have for doing so.

Now attacks like this often come from a lack of understanding & fear; sure someone may have had a close call on the beach with a stray kite or have been buzzed in the water by a jet skier (I've been buzzed by a jet skier in the water while swimming with my kids, but I didn't instantly tar all jet ski riders with the same brush), but really the root cause of the matter is, as I see it, someone (sic) has had a bad experience, whether serious or minor with one of our ilk, possibly one of the few irresponsible ones and if that's their only memory forming experience of us, then of course they are going to see us all as evil water demons.

To resolve this properly, both sides of the dispute need to communicate better, to put aside their misconceptions & actually get together & show each other where they're coming from.

I don't know what the local kiter organisations are preparing to help our case, I can only assume they're putting in a big effort to make common sense prevail, but no one has heard anything yet from them except, 'don't worry guys, we're putting in a big effort & will stand for good reason for everyone, you'll see', I'm sure we can have faith that they are.

I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but has anyone thought of having an open day of sorts?
I envisage the local kiting organisations/groups having an informal open day/meeting down at the beach, getting the gear & relevant info out for display & inviting the complainers & the local government down for the purpose of communication & education, a forum if you will, for free communication from both sides.
We get the chance to say, hey, this is us, this is what we do, we don't mean any harm & if you have had a bad experience with someone who appears to be like us, please believe us that the majority of us do the right thing, we're not here to take your beach away & we believe that we can exist together in harmony.
And we also need to have our ears open to their concerns & fears.

The dispute is about the beach & its use, we love the beach, the people complaining obviously love the beach, so where better to meet to discuss these issues & hopefully break down some barriers?

However the only way this thing will come to a satisfactory resolution for both sides, is by both sides to get together to make themselves heard in a mature & adult fashion.
If either side closes themselves out from hearing what the other side has to say, should they really be allowed to have a say in what the outcome is?
If we had an open day for example & the people complaining do not attend, then why should they be listened to by local government?
And conversely, if we the kiters don't support our point of view in a practical way, then really we don't have a basis of complaint if things go too far against our favour.

From what I've seen on this forum, most if not all of us show a strong belief in safety & equal access to our beaches for all, I'm sure that the minority of kiters giving us a bad name don't even read this forum so probably aren't even aware of this issue.
If we all band together to make the beaches a better place for all users, surely the minority of inconsiderate kiters & even the overseas visitor kiters will see the beaches working nicely & act appropriately?

From what I've seen, the kiter community is very friendly & willing to help anyone who needs it, it's one of the many things that has me enthused about this sport, the camaraderie; surely we can band together to make the outcome favourable for everyone?

I didn't intend to make this rant so long, just wanted to have my say.
Or maybe I'm just annoyed that I got a fish hook stuck in my foot yesterday...

getfunky
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17 Mar 2010 4:52pm
Once you get kiting.. you're hooked!

Nasty stuff but good thing there wasn't a fat gutted fisho on the beach tryin to reel ya in!
diginoz
diginoz
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17 Mar 2010 10:25pm
We are still waiting for the official reply but at worst we ALL need to attend the council meeting and let are numbers and feelings be known to the council.The horse issue doesnt bother the kiters me thinks but they are not happy either and hopefully will be in attendance as well . the easy option i think is to ban any form of sport ie fishing kites jetskies polies 200m north and south from all SLSC CLUBS and police the problem areas to remove the silly boys n girls
gruezi
gruezi
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17 Mar 2010 11:53pm
Oceanfire............what you wrote was brilliant, thanks mate for putting out a well thought out piece which I agree with 100%. I just have a more blunt way of making my point and it is often taken the wrong way.

Have a good kite bud.
oceanfire
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18 Mar 2010 8:35am
getfunky said...

Once you get kiting.. you're hooked!


Yep, hook line & sinker it seems ; I guess it was a physical metaphor

Now I have to figure out what stepping on & getting that dead blowfish stuck on my foot the previous lesson means...


gruezi said...

Oceanfire............what you wrote was brilliant, thanks mate for putting out a well thought out piece which I agree with 100%. I just have a more blunt way of making my point and it is often taken the wrong way.

Have a good kite bud.


Thanks mate, good to know I wasn't too far off the mark.

gruezi said...

I just have a more blunt way of making my point and it is often taken the wrong way.


Much better than sitting on your hands & saying nothing. If it creates discussion, so much the better.

'First they came for the windsurfers & I said nothing for I wasn't a windsurfer, next they came for the jet skiers & I said nothing for I wasn't a jet skier; then they came for the kiters...'

Anyone know when these council meetings are being held?
Kitehard
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18 Mar 2010 12:04pm
I went to the last one along with a lot of other concerned kiters, horse owners, dog owners, residents and habitual sh1t stirrers.

The responses from the anti kite lobbyists (AKL's)was the same stuff I've heard before. From one incident where a lady got a line cut some years ago, they have built their entire argument. There has been no more injuries since that time and none reported before. Even council members said they had no reports of incidences.

AKL's were rabbiting on about 50m ropes, (I'm assuming they're talking about the 20-25m lines) on the end of parachutes. It seems they have done their homework

They were worried about the long distance swimmers who swim, and I quote "swim on auto pilot", all the way along the beach way out behind the break. Why can't these few (and it would only be a few) people swim between the kitesurfing exclusion zone area (900m long) and just turn at the end of the zone as they have to at the end of the beach?

They all crow about equal access to the beach and were up in arms that they might be excluded from the tiny Launch and Land area set aside for kiters in the new proposal, yet we fully accept being excluded from the SLSC area. They say their argument is all about safety and their concern for injury, but still demand rights to use the area set aside for the most potentially problematic area (Launching and Landing) of kitesurfing.

One of the members of the Lifeguard complained about having to rescue 6 or 8 kiters this season, yet neglected to mention how many swimmers they rescue every day. Maybe I'm crazy but I thought Lifeguards were supposed to rescue members of the public in trouble. That's like a doctor complaining about having to heal sick people or a fireman complaining about putting out house fires. Go figure!

What I want to know is what is the real agenda? It is obvious that they wont be happy with anything other than a complete ban of the sport on the entire stretch of Mullaloo Beach. How is this equitable?

The Whitfords Sailing Club also complained about having to use their rescue boat to rescue kiters in trouble once or twice, and made reference to our rescue boat on the trailer. What they don't see is the countless rescues we, and other kiters do on the race board.

All the AKL say "We don't really have anything against kitesurfers, in fact we like to watch them riding" , but they still want them all gone for good.

This whole thing is a complete farce. The AKL's aren't prepared to listen, discuss options or accept others rights to the beach. Fairness? HA! I bloody hope WAKSA don't drop the ball on this one .... [}:)]

KH
gruezi
gruezi
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18 Mar 2010 1:57pm
Well said man
mullazlocal
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20 Mar 2010 11:47am
Thanks KH for summarising it well. Most of us have adopted these rules long time ago and will keep re-enforcing it even if this displeases some of the other "unhappy/grumpy" kitesurfing "locals" (rigging at the boarder of the SLSC).

I think most of us Mullaloo residents (kiters for this matter) are very concerned on how this is being handled.

Btw, what's this Mullaloo Kiters committee? First time I have heard of this at the JCC session...

I will start praying now, I think...
Cheers

Kitehard said...

Hi Guys,

Ever since the issues we had with JCC and the Mullaloo SLSC last year, there has been an investigation on the entire JCC coastal beaches. The areas effected stretch from Marmion to Burns Beach, a distance of 17km. Much of the plan includes things like cycle paths, public facilities such as car parks, toilets etc.

The area that effects us is the recreational users management plan. JCC categorize activities on level of conflict with other beach/water users.

Highly conflicting beach activities are : Animal exercising and Kitesurfing.

Highly conflicting water activities are : Kitesurfing, Freestyle Jet Skiing and water skiing.

Medium Conflicting beach activities are: Fishing and Non Powered boat launching.

Medium conflicting water activities are : Kayaking, Surfing, Sailing, Boating and windsurfing.

JCC Issue Statement 20 reads "The city does not wish to prohibit recreational activities on the beach to the detriment of activity diversity and the enjoymentof the cities coastline by residents and regional users. As such, only heavily conflicting activities should be subject to exclusion zones, license requirements, or designated areas. Activities that are less conflicting should be permitted along the coastline in an unrestricted manner......"

The bottom line is this; Kitesurfing has been allocated beach areas as follows:

Kitesurfing North Mullaloo: Designated beach launching and landing areaapproximately 345m south of West View Boulevard to Korella Street.

Pinnaroo Point : Designated Beach launching and Landing Areas approximately 355m, extending 230m south of John Wilkie Tarn Access Path and 125m North of John Wilkie Tarn access path.

It should be noted that a designated area of highly conflicting activity DOES NOT give users exclusive use of the area.

Kitesurfing on the water zones: Exclusion zones applicable : 475m north, 475m South and 200m west of Mullaloo SLSC. 470m North, 480m South and 200m west of Sorrento SLSC.

Patrols will be in place with rangers and City Watch in vehicles and Quad bikes enforcing the new plan.

What this means in a nutshell, is that we lost a major battle and this has set up a precedent for other councils to follow. We must be on our absolutley best behaviour, especially around Mullaloo SLSC as kitesurfing could be easily banned if we choose not to accept their guidelines and play nice.

Please make yourselves highly aware of the new zones and keep within them, even if there is no one else on the beach as all it takes is a few photos and complaints from local whingers err, I mean residents, to show kiters riding or worse, rigging in the banned zones and the next level of authority will be brought against us .... and it won't be pretty.

Please pay attention and speak up to who ever you see doing the wrong thing, we are hanging by a tenuous thread especially at Mullaloo.

Bummer eh?

KH


kk
kk
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20 Mar 2010 11:47pm
KH Said
"What I want to know is what is the real agenda? It is obvious that they wont be happy with anything other than a complete ban of the sport on the entire stretch of Mullaloo Beach. How is this equitable? "

It's all about a mob of sad ass people that have no life so they turn into the fun police.. Ther is no ryhme or reason to them, they just have meaningless lives and any battle they can get into gives them a sense of purpose.

And the 'we have nothing against kiters (or whatever)' is the same as starting a sentence with I'm not racist BUT...
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