you guys giving this guy a hard time need to chillax.

this guy SIR V has gone out of his way not to name any shops or bad mouth them, good job.

this is a good thread IMO, clearly it helps shops to understand a phone call to let the customer know the repair will not match can go a along way, i have been stuck in this same situation. i always ask now.

also un informed kiters can now know what to ask for next time they get a repair. at the end of the day if you want something matched go to moti levy. if your not sure ask!!!

STFUBBQ said...

if you want something matched go to moti levy.

Even Moti get's a bit patchwork quilty. I called Moti to see if he could repair my orange coloured foil and do a nice job of it a couple of years ago, no problem he says, it came back with fluoro orange dacron and a zipper that wouldn't open properly. The repair held up fine, so no worries.

I'm no expert on kite repairs, but the first repair job looks much better, and stronger to me.

Sir V, any chance you could tell us where the first repair job was done so I know where a good repair shop in nsw is.

Ps. I am not taking the piss out of Moti levi. I would just prefer to get my kites fixed locally.

The second repair has been reinforced on the inside of the bladder. The top part is only to cover the hole I have been told.

I will not mention anyone beyond what I have already. That was not my intention.

It seems the point of my original post was completely missed so I will not go on about it. My post was simply an attempt to raise the standards and quality of service delivery.

I realise that we can't all agree on the quality we expect from out contractors and fail to see the point of accepting anything but the best it can be. My re-repair was never going to solve anything better, it was a simple demonstration that the job should have been done better and with more attention to detail. I knew well in advance that by having my kite unstitched and re-stitched I would run risks, but I had a point to prove to the shop owner - it should have been done right.

The point of contention is what is considered 'right'. As far as that, I chose to disagree with some of the comments made. Specially after it came back done as I would have liked it originally – re-enforced on the inside. Of course I am the only one that lost with my kite getting re-stitched. It may, or may not, have had its fabric weakened.

As much as the main opinion is that I should have put up with it, I disagree. I still feel that the point had to be raised. I was taught by my parents to not settle or agree just because everyone else does - so I shall not.

My intention wasn’t to put anyone down, simply to praise someone that deserved it while I proved my point – which to me, I did. What ensued was a normal dwelling in the art of dishing vitriol for lack of substance in real positive contribution. As we all know is quite common here – again, I chose to disagree with the process and refrain from participating.

Fortunately we are all different and some very positive and constructive opinions came to light. I know I have learnt a lot from this repair and posting experience.

Peace and good winds to all.

Good on you sir v for sticking to your guns and remaining subjective while others felt the need to sledge you personally.

The non preferred repairer was not named.

No personal attacks were launched.

Information about an experience was shared.

HTFU is funny but some people are getting way out of line and offensive with their responses - these forums are meant to be educational and fun...so lighten up crew.

Jeff2231 said...

Sir V said...

I know I have learnt a lot from this repair and posting experience.

I learnt that 90% of kiteboarders on this forum are a bunch of w@nkers. The thread started out with a few people saying "nice post", as soon as one person says it's cool to have a patch on your kite everyone else jumps on the bandwagon (I'm sure that makes you all cool too). He's just complimenting someone on their repair job for ****s sake?

Your all women and it's a shame that such a sick sport can be dragged down by pelicans that would rather b!tch about someone and throw insults than just "HTFU" themselves and don't get involved. I've got an idea, next time you see people ganging up on someone jump in and throw a kick in there yourselves! Fun huh!

Anyway, I think both repairers did a good job, seemed like an informative post if your into that kind of stuff and if it was me I'd probably just use a different kite cause I'm too lazy to fix things.

Nice way to be an internet bully and flex your muscles behind a wall of text.

Very true. Here's an abstract from a psychological peer reviewed journal article on the anonymity of the interwebz.

Internet newsgroups allow individuals to interact with others in a relatively anonymous fashion and thereby provide individuals with concealable stigmatized identities a place to belong not otherwise available. Thus, membership in these groups should become an important part of identity. Study 1 found that members of newsgroups dealing with marginalized-concealable identities modified their newsgroup behavior on the basis of reactions of other members, unlike members of marginalized-conspicuous or mainstream newsgroups. This increase in identity importance from newsgroup participation was shown in both Study 2 (marginalized sexual identities) and Study 3 (marginalized ideological identities) to lead to greater self-acceptance, as well as coming out about the secret identity to family and friends. Results supported the view that Internet groups obey general principles of social group functioning and have real-life consequences for the individual. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2008 APA, all rights reserved)

Certainly true of the commenting done with regards to a certain Mr. sanz.

Haha, best kite repair thread ever!

Yo J, tks for the vote of confidence. Me being a ficticious character is actually quite funny. I might work on becoming a cartoon so I can come here and rant on all the other toons... can't stop smiling eheh!

And I thought all the bile had already been spilled in this thread and we were done and dusted.

Incidently: the kite is well and strong as ever. It has been thrashed and dumped and looped and all I could throw at it. I thought that since it had been 'badly' repaired the second time I would kill it practicing all the bad stuff. Nah, Can't do it Captain, I ain't got the power - the bastard is too strong...

Love ya work guys.

V

Had two kites repaired by Moti and Aviv recently.Excellent finish.

I learnt that 90% of kiteboarders on this forum are a bunch of w@nkers. The thread started out with a few people saying "nice post", as soon as one person says it's cool to have a patch on your kite everyone else jumps on the bandwagon (I'm sure that makes you all cool too). He's just complimenting someone on their repair job for ****s sake?

Your all women and it's a shame that such a sick sport can be dragged down by pelicans that would rather b!tch about someone and throw insults than just "HTFU" themselves and don't get involved. I've got an idea, next time you see people ganging up on someone jump in and throw a kick in there yourselves! Fun huh!

Anyway, I think both repairers did a good job, seemed like an informative post if your into that kind of stuff and if it was me I'd probably just use a different kite cause I'm too lazy to fix things.

Nice way to be an internet bully and flex your muscles behind a wall of text.

You are 100% spot on. That's why I'm very rarely on this forum anymore (I found kiteforum.com/ of much better quality and attitude).

Regarding the repair job - all what I would have done is ask the work shop to stitch another patch (exactly the same size) to the other side of the strut. Nobody would ever think this is a repair job but part of the design (unless you look out for repair jobs when selling the kite).

IMO both jobs are done well. I would have been happy with the first job if the guys would apply a patch to the other side too (same as for Moti's work).

The thing I don't like on Moti's work is that they are applying their company stickers onto the kites without asking for permission. It's like 'hey, this kite was already in repair'.
Once you know you can tell them NOT to place their sticker onto the canape. But first timers get a very bad surprise when they get their kites back and removing their stickers you will end up with holes in the canape. I was very much pissed off about the Moti sticker and get my kites now fixed locally.

Cheers