Lighter kites????

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jumpindave
jumpindave
WA
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20 Aug 2008 4:38pm
I was just reading another thread where someone mentioned helium, now i know it's been talked about before but maybe there is another gas or something that might be advantageous to use in the bladders. Any ideas?
Dave.
GreenPat
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20 Aug 2008 6:55pm
I have an idea. If a kite weighs approximately 4kg and 200L of 20 degree air at 6psi above atmospheric pressure at sea level weighs approximately 0.3kg, and I weigh 110kg, do you really think it's worth pursuing this train of thought?
jumpindave
jumpindave
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20 Aug 2008 5:09pm
Point noted Greenpat no problem with dreaming though.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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20 Aug 2008 5:43pm
Hi Jumpindave,

We did it in Hawaii back in 2001. Filled all the bladders and LE with Helium. It made no noticeable difference to the kite performance with the exception that the the struts went soft quickly. This due to the gas having a much smaller particle size it found it's way through the bladder material which is actually porous at a microscopic level.


The leading edge also went down slowly over a session but wasn't as noticeable due to the larger volume.

The struts were a lot larger back in the day too so there is definately no gain to try it again on todays kites with struts of half the diameter of yester years kites.

Haven't seen this thread in a year or two, thanks for reviving it!

Good winds,


webby7
webby7
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20 Aug 2008 7:46pm
jumpindave said...

Point noted Greenpat no problem with dreaming though.


the 0nly reason for pursueing it that i can think of is to make it possible to get a really big kite up in light wind without it falling out of the sky, but if its that light a wind would you really want to be out there anyway?
jumpindave
jumpindave
WA
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20 Aug 2008 5:46pm
Hahaha no worries, i was thinking more of other gases that may be used, but thankyou for sharing your experience.
Dave.
webby7
webby7
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20 Aug 2008 7:55pm
GreenPat said...

I have an idea. If a kite weighs approximately 4kg and 200L of 20 degree air at 6psi above atmospheric pressure at sea level weighs approximately 0.3kg, and I weigh 110kg, do you really think it's worth pursuing this train of thought?


its pretty impressive that they can make a good kite with only 4kg of material, they can take a fair beating. i'd assumed they were a bit heavier.
NSW, 4382 posts
20 Aug 2008 7:58pm
I still reckon the helium filled kite pants idea has some legs in it!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
GreenPat
GreenPat
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20 Aug 2008 8:02pm
I remember looking it up some years ago when it was published by the kite manufacturer. It may well still be, I wouldn't know, but I don't think kites have gotten any heavier since then anyway.

Dave I didn't even look up the density of helium, my point being that no matter what gas you use, even if it magically has no weight at all, would not make any improvement because the kite is so much heavier already than the air that fills it normally.
jumpindave
jumpindave
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20 Aug 2008 6:18pm
Yeah i realised that pat, i just wanted someone to post something interesting so i could keep dreaming.
user
user
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20 Aug 2008 6:33pm
Ok,here's the solution.

A specially manufactured kite with huge ,fat bladders to hold more gas !

Maybe fill it with Hydrogen., or how about hot air ??
Mr float
Mr float
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22 Aug 2008 12:37pm
Why not tie seagulls to the LE and have a chip placed at the end of a long wire protruding from the LE so that they can go on an endless flight to try and get it
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