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fred1234
fred1234
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
1 May 2007 6:39pm
Sorry if its a bit of a long read ay
Hey guys im 14 and hav been kiteboarding for almost a year now
the other day i was at our local kitebeach we were kiting in strong winds like 20-25kts+ , and i had only a largish kite for my weight so i asked one of the guys if i could borrow his kite he kindly obliged, however on my way in to hand the kite back to him after using it, i tried an un-hooked raily on my way to the shore and my kite luffed out and fell out of the sky i walked a short way and met him i handed him the bar and went to retreive the kite which was blowing towards some reeds wen i got to it i attempted to flip it over and was hit by a gust of wind which blew it into a nearby tree branch and put a rip in the kite. The rip was a clean tear about 10 cm long by about the same in and L shape between the 2nd and 3rd struts now this i know is reparable but he wants me to buy his entire kite off him which is going to cost me around $1500 which is money i dont have i hav offered to pay for the repair but he wants me to buy the kite off him. What should i do, im not sure whether hes trying to take advantage of me as im pretty much only a kid or wat afterall it was only an accident and i truly didnt mean to. so anyway any opinions as to wat i should do waould be great cheers

Tom
sorry if that was a bit long ay
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
1 May 2007 6:44pm
Offer to pay for the kite repair only....the guy is a jerk.

Kites get rips in them period. Once repaired they are like new.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
1 May 2007 6:47pm
I agree with Gruzitski
**** happens, its his kite, he leant it to you.

Pay for the repair only
fred1234
fred1234
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
1 May 2007 6:47pm
ill try but i think hes pretty bent on tryin to milk a new kite out of me
its a 2007 naish Torch by the way but hes had it for at least 6-8 months
make any difference ?
cheers
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
1 May 2007 6:51pm
quote:
Originally posted by fred1234

ill try but i think hes pretty bent on tryin to milk a new kite out of me
its a 2007 naish Torch by the way but hes had it for at least 6-8 months
make any difference ?
cheers


Well its worth about $800 second hand. prolly about $750 with a smallish repair.

repair it and give him 50$.

or tell him to fkoff.


10cm * 10cm is like frikken tiny.

I took a whole panel out of poor rellies kite when he let me borrow it. I felt ****en horrible, but he can borrow one of my kites and do the same if he wants.

bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
1 May 2007 8:54pm
by law - he cant make you buy it. so you have the law on your side.
in fact - you dont even have to pay for the repair ,
he's lucky you are willing to do this.
if he does want you to buy it - the make sure you get it for half price cause its damaged. :-)
fred1234
fred1234
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
1 May 2007 6:58pm
yeh but the damage is partially my fault, haha no im not really willing to by the kite off him but id b fine to pay for a repair
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
1 May 2007 8:59pm
pay for repair and a six pack.
if u borrow a kite i think its a fortaken rule that you repair any damages,not buy a whole new kite.
mybe this dude dosent like the kite and is spewing he bought it,now he thinks he has found a way to buy a real kite like a vennom
now i sit back and wait 4 the bites
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3381 posts
QLD, 3381 posts
1 May 2007 9:01pm
Its a hard one but if i lend one of my kites out and i know that they are rough with kites then i make sure i say "you brake it you brought it". If i lend it out and some one accidentally rips it or brakes it then i just take it on the chin as one of those things that happens. Tell this guy that he is dreaming, and that's the risk you take when you lend out kites. Give him $20 bucks and that's it.

Paul.j
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
1 May 2007 9:03pm
Totally agree with the others, he leant you the kite, accepting liability, its second hand and has had a seasons use therefore not worth full price, he should accept the offer to repair, it wont make any difference to how the kite flys anyway, or if he is still being a prick, say you will buy it, but want to fly it one more time then piss of down wind with it (and change ya phone number )
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3381 posts
QLD, 3381 posts
1 May 2007 9:08pm
Had a old guy drive over my new board once and got nothing out of him at all and nothing i could do about at all. So this guys dreaming. Don't give in.
davem207
davem207
VIC
138 posts
VIC, 138 posts
1 May 2007 9:19pm
hindsights an awesum thing, but may pay to insure your gear guys, (for next time that is).

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28018

you can only pay to repair it, if you lend a dudes car and scratch the door, yeah you go pay for the repair to the door, you dont buy the guy a brand new car, same, same, especially when your 14 and $1800 is like $18,000 to other guys older and working, no offence, but its just the point.
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
1 May 2007 9:25pm
Good analogy. Say that to him, or since your 14 get your dad to back you
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
1 May 2007 7:49pm
quote:
I took a whole panel out of poor rellies kite when he let me borrow it. I felt ****en horrible, but he can borrow one of my kites and do the same if he wants.


yeah but all your kites are owned by Toby.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
1 May 2007 8:02pm
quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

quote:
I took a whole panel out of poor rellies kite when he let me borrow it. I felt ****en horrible, but he can borrow one of my kites and do the same if he wants.


yeah but all your kites are owned by Toby.


ingenious.
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
1 May 2007 9:04pm
You want to be cool?
then pay for the repair and give him 100 bucks extra, that wont hurt you, but might go a bit towards some good vibes, since he wants to sell that kite one day and has got a repair in it.
Think about it, some one else might have smacked you in the gob, nothing wrong with that either
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
1 May 2007 10:50pm
Repair it and shove some HJ coupons in his pocket, he will be stoked.
Blownaway
Blownaway
QLD
776 posts
QLD, 776 posts
1 May 2007 11:22pm
Give him $100 to stay cool is a good idea, but charging a kid $1500 to buy the whole kit is not cool!

You break it you fix it .....not buy a new one

It was nice of him to lend in the first place though so that should be worth $100 to keep it all cool
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
2 May 2007 5:42am
Its not a good idea to borrow kites in the first place.

Some people go by the rule "if you break it,its yours '

I know thats the rule at a shop I know that lets you demo kites.

Anyway,just offer to pay for the repair.Its not brand new anyway.
sburlo
sburlo
NT
166 posts
NT, 166 posts
2 May 2007 8:05am
quote:
Originally posted by RayQ

You want to be cool?
then pay for the repair and give him 100 bucks extra, that wont hurt you, but might go a bit towards some good vibes, since he wants to sell that kite one day and has got a repair in it.
Think about it, some one else might have smacked you in the gob, nothing wrong with that either



I think this sounds like a good compromise.
Gone to dark side
Gone to dark side
NSW
394 posts
NSW, 394 posts
2 May 2007 8:49am
Hi Tom
Let some of the respected kiters in your area hear both sides and make a dision on there advise. A good repare will not afect the Kite
and would not reduces the value of a second hand kite. He would be hard for him to get $800. Good luck Tom
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
2 May 2007 7:07am
quote:
Originally posted by fred1234
to buy his entire kite off him which is going to cost me around $1500


Who says
If he really likes his kite a small repair is no big deal (esp if you throw in a slab)
If he wants to get rid of it then its worth about the 800 mentioned.
Sounds like you're gettin screwed - not nice - or fair.
lovey
lovey
NSW
177 posts
NSW, 177 posts
2 May 2007 10:56am
Had you been hooked in, and thus performed a "gayley" i'd say you'd definately be up for the price of the new kite, and perhaps a $200 fine for embarrasing yourself by performing one of the most criminal moves in kiteboarding...

Otherwise i'd agree with the rest, you aren't liable for a thing, but the price of the repair and an apology is a fair deal.... ay
t o b y
t o b y
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
2 May 2007 12:20pm
the guy is a nob give him one more chance for a repair and a 6 pack doesnt take it just leave it... he wont beat up on a 14yr old... yes mike but dave provides boards
ltim
ltim
NSW
44 posts
NSW, 44 posts
2 May 2007 2:44pm
If he lent you his car, and you crashed it - would you pay for the damage or buy him a new one?

Pay for the damage done (repairs only)

Tell him to read this thread...
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
2 May 2007 10:30pm
hahaha... ****er.. The guy's a nut, you don't have to pay anything but the repair. I personally would never lend anyone a kite, maybe some of my friends. If I did however, whether it's a friend or a complete stranger If something happens to it, I would expect it to be returned in the same state it was. In this case, a repair would see to that.

I wouldn't expect to be handed a new kite. **** that, offer him you will pay the repair and if he doesn't want that you don't have to pay anything. It's not a negotiation, it's a friendly offer from you. Simple, take it or leave it
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
2 May 2007 11:56pm
wait im not really following how this happened? so u gave the dude the kite bar? then it blew away as u tried picking up the kite 4 him? it almost sounds like it was his mistake anyway yeah just offer to pay 4 repairs it is a small ass rip neway, i ripped my 9m waroo from leading to trailing edge RIGHT ontop of a strut and its repaired n still boosting huge in 30knots :D having repairs on kites has almost no affect if any at all. tell him 2 eat doodle if he says no
STFUBBQ
STFUBBQ
NSW
60 posts
NSW, 60 posts
3 May 2007 12:25pm
repair plus 6 pack or case of beer should cover it!

putting myself in the lenders shoes yeah i would be a little upset but accidents happen, i would only ask the kite to be paid for if it was totally stuffed!

cry poor and hire a goon to scare him if he doesnt see any reason!
coreyb
coreyb
WA
463 posts
WA, 463 posts
3 May 2007 12:14pm
If your story is true and you gave him the bar and went to get his kite while it was still on the water, then it blew up into a tree? Sounds like his problem for not getting it off the water while you were swimming in. Unless he was already out of his wettie. Id say your a top bloke for offering to get it fixed, even better if you get your old man to buy him a six pack.

If hes not happy with that, hes a bit of a knob end. Take it as a lesson though not to lend other peoples gear.
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
3 May 2007 1:00pm
Alright already, they have kissed and made up

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28031

It sounds like he may have been playing with junior a bit. Dad sorted it, if your not interested in reading the whole thread. Now they all can kite happily ever after down in Bunbury.

I love a happy ending
tommyb
tommyb
QLD
103 posts
QLD, 103 posts
4 May 2007 1:52pm
the end.
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