Offshore Kite and Wind Surfers Need Safety Gear

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WAKSA
WAKSA
WA
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5 Aug 2014 11:56pm
Please read in regard to these changes

http://www.waksa.org.au/kitesurfing-news/offshore-kite-and-wind-surfers-need-safety-gear

kiterboy
kiterboy
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2614 posts
6 Aug 2014 9:56am
Can you please give us an example of a typical set up for the safety requirements to be complied with?

What exact safety gear should we have and how do we carry it?
dusta
dusta
WA
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WA, 2940 posts
6 Aug 2014 10:54am
kiterboy said..
Can you please give us an example of a typical set up for the safety requirements to be complied with?

What exact safety gear should we have and how do we carry it?




kiterboy , did you bother to read the statement on the website ? Hopefully it will be more clearer this week .


The initial media release by DOT does have some minor inconsistences that are being resolved over the next few days and we will provide the updated link when ready.



Points we raised focused on allowances for various forms of PFD be included and latitude around flares and EPIRB requirements.
kiterboy
kiterboy
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2614 posts
6 Aug 2014 11:19am
Just wondering how to carry an epirb and flares with a pfd.
dusta
dusta
WA
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6 Aug 2014 11:40am
kiterboy said..
Just wondering how to carry an epirb and flares with a pfd.


i have a pouch on the back of my pfd which is accesible . that's where i would and do store my gear .
KiterBen
KiterBen
SA
161 posts
SA, 161 posts
6 Aug 2014 1:15pm
Kiters wearing life jackets and carrying flares and an epirb is bloody ridiculous and laughable . Just more rules and BS. Humans have become so precious.
Russman2014
Russman2014
SA
8 posts
SA, 8 posts
6 Aug 2014 1:29pm
These rules will just prompt kiters do do less of the right thing. If im breaking one rule why not break them all.
billykiter
billykiter
WA
303 posts
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6 Aug 2014 1:17pm
Rather than flares, why not just have modifications made to the kite? Instead of inflating with air, maybe just use some hydrogen. Then when you are crusing along and you unexpectadly loose total control (possibly get hit by a boat or maybe an asteroid). You then just need to hit your panic button. This is wired to trigger ignition of the kite. everyone from miles around will then be able to see you are in a bit of trouble and obviously need assistance. The great thing about this too is it totally disengages the kite, so no worries about getting dragged out to sea with a line around your big toe. Brings a whole new meaning to the kiting term Hindenburging.
Subculture
Subculture
443 posts
443 posts
6 Aug 2014 1:55pm
billykiter said..
Rather than flares, why not just have modifications made to the kite? Instead of inflating with air, maybe just use some hydrogen. Then when you are crusing along and you unexpectadly loose total control (possibly get hit by a boat or maybe an asteroid). You then just need to hit your panic button. This is wired to trigger ignition of the kite. everyone from miles around will then be able to see you are in a bit of trouble and obviously need assistance. The great thing about this too is it totally disengages the kite, so no worries about getting dragged out to sea with a line around your big toe. Brings a whole new meaning to the kiting term Hindenburging.


I'm loving the visuals!

One of the best posts on SB for ages
scubaste
scubaste
WA
210 posts
WA, 210 posts
6 Aug 2014 2:15pm
dusta said...
kiterboy said..
Just wondering how to carry an epirb and flares with a pfd.


i have a pouch on the back of my pfd which is accesible . that's where i would and do store my gear .


I thought skippys had there pouch on the front Dusta?
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
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6 Aug 2014 2:39pm
WAKSA said..
Please read in regard to these changes

http://www.waksa.org.au/kitesurfing-news/offshore-kite-and-wind-surfers-need-safety-gear




I wont be worrying about these so called regulations trying to make kiting more complicated than it is. Bahahahahah.. Like to see you implement this at Horrocks or Gero...

Ignoranace will be my friend and the more I ignore these stupid plans.. The better I will enjoy my kiting.

But good onya WAKSA... This will surely do your membership base no favours for the future..

Trapped
Trapped
NSW
220 posts
NSW, 220 posts
6 Aug 2014 5:08pm
Sure you western aus guys have better wind, but at least here on the east we don't have to wear a life jacket.
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
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6 Aug 2014 3:27pm
Trapped said..
Sure you western aus guys have better wind, but at least here on the east we don't have to wear a life jacket.



That is true about the wind..

You guys start frothing out at 12 knots... Bahahah

We dont even care when it's 12 -15 knots in WA.. People just go paddleboarding instead until it hits 20knots around lunchtime in summer Summer.
bardunyah
bardunyah
WA
73 posts
WA, 73 posts
6 Aug 2014 3:41pm
NoBS said..
WAKSA said.. Please read in regard to these changes http://www.waksa.org.au/kitesurfing-news/offshore-kite-and-wind-surfers-need-safety-gear
I wont be worrying about these so called regulations trying to make kiting more complicated than it is. Bahahahahah.. Like to see you implement this at Horrocks or Gero... Ignoranace will be my friend and the more I ignore these stupid plans.. The better I will enjoy my kiting. But good onya WAKSA... This will surely do your membership base no favours for the future..


Wow, again you're in here, campaigning against the volunteers.

In your head, you must visualise these people actively campaigning for more restrictions!?!

I believe that the kiting organisations work to prevent more regulation, not make matters worse. How on earth could you believe otherwise.

Good on the volunteers, I say.
Trapped
Trapped
NSW
220 posts
NSW, 220 posts
6 Aug 2014 5:43pm
Just for the record though I wear a life jacket because I think it's stupid not to when doing water sport.
This is still by choice though :p
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
6 Aug 2014 5:20pm
I am perplexed by the new rules to protect us against ourselves.

It is common knowledge most kitesurfing injuries and deaths actually happen on land. The two deaths/major injuries that I know about in WA that were water related were at Australind and safety bay. Both were in close proximity of land in an onshore breeze, both hit object on land.

Surfers injuries happen all the time, mostly when you hit the bottom or from fin cuts. OK so surfers must wear pfd's. Deaths, Sharks comes up. So surfers must wear shark pods. As redicilous and over-regulated as this sounds, it would save more lives and more hospital visits than this drivel.

So Margs, Yallingup, Dutchies, Lancelin, gnarloo on a good day to name a few are all technically out of bounds?????? Remember we all have to do the circuit out the back.
eneour
eneour
WA
104 posts
WA, 104 posts
6 Aug 2014 6:18pm
I also think flares & EPIRB are over the top!

I personally wear a lifejacket when foiling or racing in the ocean far from shore, but carrying flares or even an EPIRB is completely over kill!

Stupid question, but if you are knocked out, how do you activate your EPIRB, or fire flares...?
lukekiter
lukekiter
WA
96 posts
WA, 96 posts
6 Aug 2014 7:36pm
From what I can imagine will happen, it won't be a matter of enforcing this on kiters. It may come down to when someone gets rescued and doesn't have all the safety gear on them, they could be looking at having to fund their own rescue plus associated fines. It's sounds like a typical government cover their butt thing.
Sibbo V3
Sibbo V3
VIC
110 posts
VIC, 110 posts
6 Aug 2014 10:42pm
Pilot Pete said..
From what I can imagine will happen, it won't be a matter of enforcing this on kiters. It may come down to when someone runs me over again and I dont have all the safety gear on me. They could be looking at having me fund my own rescue plus associated fines.



Hehe, just joking with you Pete.
JimJones
JimJones
QLD
237 posts
QLD, 237 posts
7 Aug 2014 12:00am
I have no doubt that WAKSA represented our collective interests in these discussions, and that without that representation, the rules would have been harsher and less suitable for us. We are a very small voice as far as water users go.

So I'd actually like to thank WAKSA for doing that for us. And for doing this as volunteers. Being a volunteer is often a thankless task, but some of us really do appreciate the effort you make.

For those that think they can do better, it is always possible for you to volunteer your time and effort, and make things even better.

But for now, thanks WAKSA, for the effort you have made.
Triggerhappy
Triggerhappy
WA
174 posts
WA, 174 posts
6 Aug 2014 10:39pm
No one will enforce it. So no big deal.

I met someone a few years back who works for the swan river authority who was pissed off with kiters at leighton because they kited where he liked to surf. He told me he would try to enforce this just to annoy kitesurfers. Looks like he succeeded.
Sauce
Sauce
WA
203 posts
WA, 203 posts
6 Aug 2014 10:52pm
lukekiter said...
From what I can imagine will happen, it won't be a matter of enforcing this on kiters. It may come down to when someone gets rescued and doesn't have all the safety gear on them, they could be looking at having to fund their own rescue plus associated fines. It's sounds like a typical government cover their butt thing.



Spot on..
ok
ok
NSW
1089 posts
ok ok
NSW, 1089 posts
7 Aug 2014 1:50am
Next we will need a license to kite because otherwise you cannot fine or anything for breaking these laws.
You are only allowed to be asked for ID if you are under arrest.
JacobMatan
JacobMatan
WA
431 posts
WA, 431 posts
7 Aug 2014 12:05am
these new laws are kind of pointless as who goes more than 400 meters out anyway? When your that far out it is almost impossible for anyone on the beach to tell exactly what sort of back mobe blind pass handle judge you have done and they definitely can't tell what sort of boardies you have on over your wetsuit or what sort of hat your wearing so whats the point really
lukekiter
lukekiter
WA
96 posts
WA, 96 posts
7 Aug 2014 8:11am
ok said...
Next we will need a license to kite because otherwise you cannot fine or anything for breaking these laws.

We almost do it's called insurance, you are crazy if u don't have it.
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
7 Aug 2014 1:16pm
Trapped said..
Sure you western aus guys have better wind, but at least here on the east we don't have to wear a life jacket.


Yep we do if "you are out past 400m and kiting alone"

niall barrett
niall barrett
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
7 Aug 2014 1:00pm

Guys,

I think everyone has missed a very important word in the legislation - AVERAGE - in the WAKSA message above

You are required to wear a PDF, carry EPIRBs and flares, if your position averages more than 400m from shore.

Even if you go out 800m [which is unlikely], to tack upwind at your wave spot, your average still remains under 400m, especially given the time spent riding in the waves. I think this affect very few, except those crazies who are still seen out kiting on the Offshore reefs 5kms off Scarboro at dusk.

My personnal phiilosphy based on some long lonely scary swims in the distant past remains......... " never kite out farther than you want to swim back in, because sooner or later you will have to."

If you have a penchant for moonlit sessions on far offshore reefs then I think it might just be sensible to wear a PDF, carry EPIRBs and flares, not because anyone will arrest you [who would bother] , but because one day those things will save your life! Alternatively start training for the Rottnest swim.
burnsy11
burnsy11
WA
122 posts
WA, 122 posts
7 Aug 2014 1:28pm
Big deal - only the lawnmowers/kooks are out further than a couple hundred down at City's and Brighton - if anything it's only being rolled out for their own saftey in the event that things turn pear shaped fast.
iandvnt
iandvnt
QLD
581 posts
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7 Aug 2014 4:20pm
"Sure you western aus guys have better wind, but at least here on the east we don't have to wear a life jacket." lol

"who was pissed off with kiters at leighton because they kited where he liked to surf" perth surf... legit! what a loser.. lol

how come suddenly there is a law without any mention on here first to help kiters be ready to do submissions - good representation, not..

Very short sighted not to take into account wave ridering kiters 400m+ out to sea kiting reefs - kind of selfish.
mbuckley
mbuckley
WA
54 posts
WA, 54 posts
7 Aug 2014 2:50pm
Any downed inflatable kite is basically a perfect life raft with a sail to get you home. Does my kite count as a PFD or do I need to sew shoulder straps onto it??
For a secondary PFD (or in case I’m carrying an additional person) I’m willing to bolt shoulder straps onto my surfboard as well.
dusta
dusta
WA
2940 posts
WA, 2940 posts
7 Aug 2014 2:50pm
iandvnt said..
"Sure you western aus guys have better wind, but at least here on the east we don't have to wear a life jacket." lol

"who was pissed off with kiters at leighton because they kited where he liked to surf" perth surf... legit! what a loser.. lol

how come suddenly there is a law without any mention on here first to help kiters be ready to do submissions - good representation, not..

Very short sighted not to take into account wave ridering kiters 400m+ out to sea kiting reefs - kind of selfish.






mbuckley do you go further than 400m offshore ?

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