Prices haven't changed in nearly 10 years!

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AKSonline
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18 May 2011 5:45pm
Hi peeps,

Just going through my old office having a major cleanup and came across a pricelist from 2002 from Auswind and was interesting to note that prices have stayed pretty much the same or come down.

Airush Lift 15.5 in 2002 was $2250
Airush Lift Pro 15.5 in 2002 was $2450
Airush boards ie Switch, Directionals and Mutants were all $1295
Airush Bar and lines $450
Flying Objects Board Bags $90

The quality of gear available today as opposed to back then is light years ahead and in most cases, a bit cheaper. Kite wind ranges back then were small so most people needed at least 3 kites to cover the whole wind range In 2002 I had a set of Lift Pro's 19.5, 15.5, and 11.5 and two Switch Pro boards 37 and 33.

FYI,

DM
Paul1
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18 May 2011 7:59pm
Should be heaps cheaper given how strong the Aus dollar has been.
getfunky
getfunky
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18 May 2011 6:00pm
Kn hell! I walked into Auswind in 2003 and nearly feinted when the bloke told me the price of a kite (no bar n lines etc).

Had the paramedics on the way when he told me the 'bargain' price of a full set-up.

Walked outta there very disapointed and thinking "fk that!"

2 yrs later bought a whole new Naish kit from same season (2002/03) and it was about 40% 30% of the $$$ I nearly feinted over. (yes it was rubbish too - but got me in the water).

Economies of scale, etc etc.. It was outrageously exxy back then. Speshly when you consider the kites had such a limited range(LOL I have 3 kites these days tho), gear was 'experimental' (read: half of it was sh!te) and also waaayyy more dangerous.


Some of those boards too. Taking LSD, whacking out a few designs that pop into the melon, and flogging them for $1.5k when they went like a boat anchor. Ahh yes, the good ol' days.
cwamit
cwamit
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18 May 2011 6:03pm
i still rue the day i chose to invest in kites and not gold bullion



herbyburger
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18 May 2011 6:55pm
Wages havent changed in nearly 10 years.
COL
COL
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COL COL
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18 May 2011 9:00pm
herbyburger said...

Wages havent changed in nearly 10 years.


What I think you're in the wrong occupation Herb!
COL
COL
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18 May 2011 9:09pm
Economies of scale would be alot greater now. And maybe the construction cost might be less with considerably smaller size for a comparable kite & 3 strut now.
But mainly it would be competition that has put pressure on prices. Every man & his dog has a kite brand now days.

Ooh yeah! Nothin' like gold bullion to put a smile on ya face
GRunner
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18 May 2011 9:13pm
COL said...

herbyburger said...

Wages havent changed in nearly 10 years.


What I think you're in the wrong occupation Herb!


Is your job is selling kites?
wishy
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18 May 2011 11:56pm
AKSonline said...

Hi peeps,

Just going through my old office having a major cleanup and came across a pricelist from 2002 from Auswind and was interesting to note that prices have stayed pretty much the same or come down.

Airush Lift 15.5 in 2002 was $2250
Airush Lift Pro 15.5 in 2002 was $2450
Airush boards ie Switch, Directionals and Mutants were all $1295
Airush Bar and lines $450
Flying Objects Board Bags $90

The quality of gear available today as opposed to back then is light years ahead and in most cases, a bit cheaper. Kite wind ranges back then were small so most people needed at least 3 kites to cover the whole wind range In 2002 I had a set of Lift Pro's 19.5, 15.5, and 11.5 and two Switch Pro boards 37 and 33.

FYI,

DM



There will be a lot of things coming into play here:

*Exchange rates (AUD high now so cheaper to import)
*Inflation ($1 today is worth less than $1 was back then)
*Demand for kites (much higher demand for kites brings prices up)
*Supply of kites (much higher supply for kites brings prices back down)
*Raw materials costs
*Suppliers achieving economies of scale (it's cheaper on a per unit basis to build 5,000kites p.a. than it was back then to build 500 p.a.)
*Etc

To put it simply if the prices now are the same dollar value as they were back then, then kite-things are actually cheaper relative to what people earn, because noone is on the same salary they were in 2002.

Whatever they cost, make sure you find somewhere that it blows 30++ knots, and SEND IT.
(and yell out "BOOOOOOOOOOOST" )
bjw
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19 May 2011 8:24am
Ten years ago you'd expect to pay over $10,000 for a Plasma TV 42i.

Now you can get one for $700.

Imagine paying under $200 for a kite now.
wishy
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19 May 2011 8:52am
bjw said...

Ten years ago you'd expect to pay over $10,000 for a Plasma TV 42i.

Now you can get one for $700.

Imagine paying under $200 for a kite now.


If there were 1000+ kite producers & 2 kites in every house then kites would cost 3/5ths of stuff all as well.
RayQ
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WA
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19 May 2011 10:06am
bjw said...

Ten years ago you'd expect to pay over $10,000 for a Plasma TV 42i.

Now you can get one for $700.

Imagine paying under $200 for a kite now.


The problem with your comparison is, the $10000 Plasma is still working, the $700 plasma has life span of 12 months, due to manufacturers taking short cuts and junk parts.

If kites went down the same path, they would be made of paper and only last a day.

This is purly consumer driven, if you want cheap kites, they have been out there already and some have disapeared.
SaveTheWhales
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19 May 2011 10:39am
Hmmm same prices

Better Technology

Cheaper Chinese Production line methods

kites now cost $250. + freight from china

Kite prices still the same

Some new kites $2500 Some $700

Same quality finish same performance

Some Companies passing on good savings to retailers and customers

Hmmm some not

Freedom to choose wisely - not blindly
woodys
woodys
WA
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19 May 2011 10:54am
wishy said...
noone is on the same salary they were in 2002.


esp this little bunny.
Oh how I wish I was on my 2002 salary

Not everything is relative.
bobjaan
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WA
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19 May 2011 1:26pm
SaveTheWhales said...

Hmmm same prices

Better Technology

Cheaper Chinese Production line methods

kites now cost $250. + freight from china

Kite prices still the same

Some new kites $2500 Some $700

Same quality finish same performance

Some Companies passing on good savings to retailers and customers

Hmmm some not

Freedom to choose wisely - not blindly


I beg to differ on the quality of finish issue. Not all kites are made equal.
Also no kite is for $700 this years model incl of bar and lines.
pro merc
pro merc
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19 May 2011 4:48pm
price of manufacturing has definately gone up for kites, oil pricing etc effects kite pricing and the wages in china are going up faster than you can imagine. china is not as cheap as it used to be!

i think a lot more effort in design and extra expense of materials goes into todays kites as well.
Saffer
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19 May 2011 5:27pm
I tend to agree with some of the people here. Given the number if kites shipping there is no way the kites should still be selling for what they are when they probably only cost about $200 to manufacture.

You can go in about R&D costs etc, but there are smaller brands doing fine with smaller R&D teams who don't have to send their entire team to a remote tropical island just to test their latest gear.
SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
WA
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19 May 2011 4:16pm
Bobjann - yes you are correct about the bar.. but I was just talkin about kites.

As for the kites, well there are a few people in Perth flying 2011 rock solid built performance kites for a while now !!!!

The power of the Net is awesome, if you know how to use it...
Quality can be a very misleading word,
to deliver a 'new' kite with built in problems from so called new materials- at the same retail price !
We all know it happens from time to time but this is just not accepttable for the R & D and brandname that you pay for!

The dice has been rolled and we are about to see the future of 'some' kite prices change.

As I mentioned previously
The Freedom to choose Wisely !

No brand pimping here ... As for 2 red thumbs lol ... You get noticed more for controversy

Can work both ways ;-)
Paul1
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19 May 2011 6:52pm
pro merc said...

price of manufacturing has definately gone up for kites, oil pricing etc effects kite pricing and the wages in china are going up faster than you can imagine. china is not as cheap as it used to be!

i think a lot more effort in design and extra expense of materials goes into todays kites as well.


The cost of materials and labour is such a small percentage of the selling price of the kite, it really should not have too much impact on trade prices. Also, the quantity of kites that are now being produced in comparison with 2002, would actually bring costs down.
AKSonline
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19 May 2011 5:09pm
I think the economies of scale have been negated by the increase in price of fuels, labour costs, freight, materials etc.

Modern kites are Sooooo much better than the gear of old and we are spoiled for choice of brands. If you want to buy cheap stuff, it's available, if you want to buy premium stuff, it's out there too.

The original point of the thread was that you didn't get much for your dollars back in 2000 when comparing quality, design, durability, and performance, as compared to todays gear. And todays stuff costs around the same if not a bit cheaper.

I reckon that's tops!

DM

PS. Oh, and LOL at the red thumbs for my initial post. Hahaha
stabber
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19 May 2011 7:15pm
woodys said...

wishy said...
noone is on the same salary they were in 2002.



well lets see about that?



TurtleHunter
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WA
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20 May 2011 10:59am
Anyone notice the article on building North kites in the kiteworld mag. They say it takes 44hrs of labour to build a kite. If you include all the other costs they must still be getting cheap labour to keep the kite below 2 grand. I would hate to see what it would cost to build in Australia.
jkiter
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20 May 2011 2:46pm
44 hours of labour in china = $88.... so why is the kite $2000 AUD?
Materials in china also cost sweet FA...
Saffer
Saffer
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20 May 2011 3:15pm
jkiter said...

44 hours of labour in china = $88.... so why is the kite $2000 AUD?
Materials in china also cost sweet FA...


Less if you use child labour and sweat shops
TurtleHunter
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WA
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20 May 2011 2:44pm
jkiter said...

44 hours of labour in china = $88.... so why is the kite $2000 AUD?
Materials in china also cost sweet FA...


Are you serious? Surely they pay more than $2/hr
Prawnhead
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20 May 2011 5:18pm
jkiter said...

44 hours of labour in china = $88.... so why is the kite $2000 AUD?
Materials in china also cost sweet FA...


same reason that a potato cost 10 cents and your hot chips $3.50

most of the kite retailers in Oz are small businesses ......most of them would be happy just to get close to RRP(suggested by the maufacturer/agent importer) for a kite ....most people in small business are dictated to by the cost of actually running the whole shebang and in retail that is generally rent and wages if you have staff(and compo and super and tax and holiday pay and bonus and insurance and all the other bull sh8 ad infinitum)
Small business retail is the hardest business to be in nowdays bar none!!
This is no defence though if you" don't like the heat so to speak "
I don't think too many of the kite guys/gals are in it wholly and soley for the money .....lifestyle /enjoyment with a minor element of masochism thrown in
You might have to ask float or AKS

But be assured that if someone is ripping you on a kite it ain't the local retailer
The surest way to make a small fortune from kiting(still what i would consider a marginal numbers sport in Oz ) is start with a big one
Having said that if you are hitting up your local kite retailer up for a deal try something better than .......
Is that your best price?


No ...its not my best price
another $1000 on top would be great for me!!
jkiter
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20 May 2011 7:21pm
TurtleHunter said...

jkiter said...

44 hours of labour in china = $88.... so why is the kite $2000 AUD?
Materials in china also cost sweet FA...


Are you serious? Surely they pay more than $2/hr


Dead serious probably alot less, depending on the job. i just got back from china 3 weeks ago, it will amaze you how ripped off the australian consumer is.
1 example: it cost me $25AU for a sign printed 4mx1m in china, quote in Oz $500. that $25 had a pay for a designer, only 1hr, the guy printing, and the sales girl. plus the materials!! not to mention overheads. and they are making a profit from this!! a Kite cost approx $200 to manufacture, not incuding R&D, company costs etc etc etc. it just dosent justify 1000% mark up for retail.
SUPtheblog
SUPtheblog
WA
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20 May 2011 7:33pm
New kites should be around the $1000. price mark. I would buy more at that price, oh quallity should not change. I think were all mislead how much they cost to make and OZ taxes plus the bull**** factor to come up with $1500 plus prices. Yes everyone has to make a buck but look at SUP's theyve dropped from $2000 to just over $1000. come from similar countrys. Retailers would sell more if they cut prices????? I dont sell just buy when something good catches my eye.
stabber
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20 May 2011 10:41pm
TurtleHunter said...

jkiter said...

44 hours of labour in china = $88.... so why is the kite $2000 AUD?
Materials in china also cost sweet FA...


Are you serious? Surely they pay more than $2/hr


The average wage in my factory in China is 1500 Yuan per month... no overtime rates apply... thats the flat rate.

1500 yuan is (at the current rate of exchange) 230 AUD give or take a bowl or two.
Most of them work 40 to 45 hours plus per week( 6 days per week). Some get paid as little as 800 yuan per month.... but some get 3000 Yuan too.
If you average it out , It's more like less than $2 AUD per hour.
theDoctor
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20 May 2011 11:46pm

we are all going to hell
TurtleHunter
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21 May 2011 6:38pm
theDoctor said...


we are all going to hell

Agree
The price should be higher.
They spend a week making a kite and get under a $100
For anyone in Aus to build one it would cost 10 times that

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