Riding Unhooked - Kite setup?

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Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
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3 Feb 2006 12:33pm
I am going to do more unhooked riding.

However, im a bit confused on the setup.

While hooked in I often have to create apparent wind by moving the kite up and down. On the down stroke I have the bar somewhat pulled in.On the up stroke i need to let the bar out or the kite stalls.

I was thinking, when riding unhooked I wont be able to change the angle of attack, so what setting, using the depower strap, should i have the kite at so it flies well on the down and up strokes?

Would I be setting it the same as if the hooked in kite is riding with the bar out? Obviously not as much power, but at least the kite wil go back up...

If my back lines are too tight when unhooked, i dont think the kite will fly too good on the upstroke....



Thoughts?
monkey
monkey
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
3 Feb 2006 1:38pm
Mate,
that justs means that you are underpowered..... having to move the kite up and down and all. If you dont have constant pull when you unhook... hook back in... it should have a pull of a boat..

You should be comfortably powered up and riding without having to sine the kite.
Some riders use the depower strap a little such that when they unhook,such that the kite has the same power as if they were hooked on the chicken loop....

play around and see what works best... i tend to just unhook... gives you tonnes of power!!! HELL YEAH!!

also the bar matters.. some bars are **** for unhook... some of the thick bars are like taht.
Big chicken loops are good for hooking back in.

Lines wise... so long your kite is reasonably balanced and tuned such that when the front lines are bagged out all the way in full power, they are the same length as the back lines... it should be fine...

my 2 cents.
freeflyfreak
freeflyfreak
WA
74 posts
WA, 74 posts
3 Feb 2006 10:53am
like monkey says. you shouldnt be needing to move the kite when ur going for your first tricks unhooked. just use line tension and 'pop'.
depending on how you have the line set on the kite u might need to grab quite a lot of depower before unhooking to prevent the kite from stalling when it goes to full power i.e. when u unhook.

after your trick u'll be heading downwind and slightly under the kite giving u the time u need to hook back in blast upwind a bit and repeat :-)

enjoy.

one other thing is if ur not used to it u can easily pull muscles in your back unhooking for the first time. stretch beforehand.
barongreenback
barongreenback
WA
52 posts
WA, 52 posts
3 Feb 2006 11:40am
With regards to this e-mail, somewhat related... I am still in the early stages (first season) flying a 12m Naish X2 for the most part. When I get smashed I become unhooked really easily... when this happens the flying characteristics of the kite COMPLETELY change, it sits back in the power zone and takes it forever to fly to zenith, seems very unresponsive to anything I do, problem is because of where the kite sits when this happens... I don't have the strength to hook back in and hence get dragged downwind HEAPS leaving a hell of alot of body dragging to get back to my board....

Also, where I see other kiters holding the kite low at the edge of the window on the beach (just after lauch or chatting to somebody)... I have tried this on numerous occasion with different power settings and just get pulled in the direction of the kite... it will just not happen. Simply Jack of the kite... or is it me?
barongreenback
barongreenback
WA
52 posts
WA, 52 posts
3 Feb 2006 11:41am
No intention on stealing your thread monkeykiter!
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
3 Feb 2006 11:51am
To Baron and Monkey,

Monkey sounds like you are riding a bit underpowered and are oversheeting the kite (pulling in on the bar too much), this tends to create a stall in the airflow over the canopy and sometimes results in the kite flying backwards or just stopping forward flying and crashing backwards.

When you unhook, the kite will always be powered and you will be surprised at how much extra power the kite generates by you not sheeting out unwittingly as you ride. To set the bar, you should aim at riding with the trim strap pulled in a fair way to reduce the wingtip flaring. Whenever I unhook, I always sheet in about 75% of the trim strap before I unhook and then let it back out again when I hook back in. If your kite is stalling on the upstroke, you have too much back line tension and need to pull in more on the trim strap.

Baron, you are riding hooked in with too much back line tension. The X2's were quite a high aspect ratio kite and were fairly susceptible to stalling if oversheeted. You will get more power from your X2 if you sheet it out a bit and allow it to generate power the way it was designed to .... by flying fast. This is why X2's were never meant to be a beginner kite, they need to fly really quick to generate their power, oversheeting until you "feel" power or pressure is not the way they work and if you "feel" that pressure at low speeds you are way oversheeted.

You are probably riding with the bar a fair ways out from your body if when you are unhooked if it stalls/flys slowly. Try resetting your lines. All 4 lines should be equal length with the trim strap set at full power and the bar at about 30% from full power.

Hope this helps,

Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
3 Feb 2006 3:05pm
Thanks guys.


Dont mind at all for the topic change baron. I have the same problem too sometimes.

Kitehard, with setting the lines:

"Try resetting your lines. All 4 lines should be equal length with the trim strap set at full power and the bar at about 30% from full power"


I gather I do this by just attaching the lines to a single point like a tent peg in the ground?

But then which attachment points on the kite should I use.

Each side of the kite has 2 front attachment lines and 2 back ones.
And all of them have about 3 knots at various distance from the kite.

Plus the front ones are shorter than the back ones, so even if I used the furthest knot on alll attachment points, the back lines would seemingly be longer...

unless those pigtails are just made shorter at the front to combat the angle of the kite?


barongreenback
barongreenback
WA
52 posts
WA, 52 posts
3 Feb 2006 12:17pm
Cheers Kitehard... that does shed light on my problem. I became aware of the differnce in aspect ratios after purchasing the kite second hand and am aware that it is not doing me any favours at this stage of the game.

I know there is a lot of "what kite should I buy?" questions which come about but in your opinion... what could you suggest in terms of a 12m kite which is;
1) more stable
2) early planing
3) good upwind capability
4) better water relaunch

I tried my mates 12m lift (which is still quite a high aspect ratio I belive) and his old Naish 10m Aero... and the stability and relative ease at which it flies has got me even more Jack of the X2 (which is probably fine in the hands over the more experienced).. so I have decided to by another 12m, possibly a Pilot or similar.... any suggestions?

Thanks again for your advice!

Cheers
Chris.
hatman
hatman
4 posts
4 posts
3 Feb 2006 10:49pm
I have set my chicken loop line to 10-15 cm stroke, ie really short. This way, there is not as much difference in line length between hooked in and unhooked. (More sensitive to gusts though. Learn 2 egde)

When hooking in after a trick. Grab the CL itself with one hand, pull, and let the bar ride up to the knot holding the other hand close to the center of the bar. This way, the kite will lose the extra power is has while unhooked.

Aight?

/N
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
4 Feb 2006 12:29am
Hey BAron,

I reckon that you have to go a long way to beat an 06 Flow. The 06 has much better upwind than the 05 and fits all the criteria you set forth. A Pilot will be great too, but the Flow has as much ease of use and has more top end performance and boost capability. I think that most of the late model kites are pretty easy to use and most again are moderate aspect, just need to be aware as some don't pull upwind particularly well, but are grunty like crazy.

I reckon this year, the learner intermediate kite to beat is the Flow. Don't take my biased opinion, Fly one and see why.

Good winds,





taterchip
taterchip
QLD
211 posts
QLD, 211 posts
4 Feb 2006 4:42am
interesting....can u guys also plz explain about how your saftey line/suicide leash is setup as well.
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