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Kiteharder
Kiteharder
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
3 Dec 2005 12:38pm
Ive been searching for a while for a new kite and have decided with the new BEST Waroo BOW kite. I like the concept of the flat kites, however couldnt imagine paying the huge prices that Ive seen for the Crossbow etc. Ive spoken to the guys in Australia who bring the kites in and they are waiting for there demos for me to ride one, but they have been asured by BEST that this kite is better than the other brands and wont cost you the world.

Ive prebooked a 12mtr, and will let you all know what it is like when I have a go on the demos.

?? Has anyone heard about this kite and why do lotes of people crap on BEST as a brand????. Ive seen wic`ked riders in Mackay on these and they are bustin big moves. The kites look and perform the same as most other kites on the market and cost 1/2 the price.
Tah

Keith James
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
3 Dec 2005 2:47pm
Hi keith,

Good talkin to you the other day, and will have your kite asap. Adrenalin Rush is getting demos of the new BEST Waroo Bow kite and can give an honest opinion on these kites as soon as we get a chance to get on them. Kurt from Bribane Kiteboarding has a demo of the new Yarga PRO
whichh will give his feedback to us soon.

My feedback on the Yarga Pro is simply, Sweet!!. Had an epic session on Wednesday at Blacks beach in Mackay and couldnt believe the power this litte baby has got, turning speed is wild and lift, you want lift, this kite boosted me half way to the moon and it is classed as a medium aspect kite. Cant wait to try the Nemesis Pro!!

regards
Joe Millen
Adrenalin Rush Sports Australia
4DICE
4DICE
QLD
158 posts
QLD, 158 posts
3 Dec 2005 3:51pm
joe, where abouts is the store in Mackay?. im headin up that way in a week or so
NSW, 4382 posts
3 Dec 2005 6:18pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kiteharder

Ive been searching for a while for a new kite and have decided with the new BEST Waroo BOW kite. I like the concept of the flat kites, however couldnt imagine paying the huge prices that Ive seen for the Crossbow etc. Ive spoken to the guys in Australia who bring the kites in and they are waiting for there demos for me to ride one, but they have been asured by BEST that this kite is better than the other brands and wont cost you the world.

Ive prebooked a 12mtr, and will let you all know what it is like when I have a go on the demos.

?? Has anyone heard about this kite and why do lotes of people crap on BEST as a brand????. Ive seen wic`ked riders in Mackay on these and they are bustin big moves. The kites look and perform the same as most other kites on the market and cost 1/2 the price.
Tah

Keith James



G'day Keith

You should do a bit of shopping around, you will find that **** kites are not actually 1/2 price of other kites, in fact no where near it.
More like the same or even costing more!.

For instance the Globerider Sonic 11M is actually less than the advertised price of the Warhoo.
I think if you shop around a bit you will find that the difference between a **** kite, of any model is actually almost nothing or the slightly higher price of one of the more accepted brands is because you are actually getting something more, like a better bar, better performing kite, much better resale value, better build quality, better after sales service, better warranty, etc, etc.

My advice would be to wait and try before you buy, in the meantime find a demo of at least one other widespan kite so that you at least have something to compare to.

Emerging brands are renowned for overhype and underdelivery, be careful don't waste your hard earned.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
Better than Best
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
3 Dec 2005 4:14pm
your silence would have spoken more than your post did steve !

kiteharder, congrats on pre-booking a waroo, Joe will take good care of you as he's part of the best team

regards browneee
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
3 Dec 2005 5:44pm
Steve speaks the truth!
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
3 Dec 2005 6:18pm
I'm sure he does and so does his many alter egos on seabreeze...
NSW, 4382 posts
3 Dec 2005 11:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by HungLong

your silence would have spoken more than your post did steve !

kiteharder, congrats on pre-booking a waroo, Joe will take good care of you as he's part of the best team

regards browneee



I bet you boys would love me lie low and be quiet eh?!!!!

Like you and User acknowledge I speak the truth, **** kites are not half price of any kites on the market in Oz anymore, Kitepower fixed that 2 years ago, the rest of the market here responded so the difference in price is much smaller or zero now, and in some cases **** are even more expensive.

I never use aliases, always post under my own name. You don't want to beleive that guy who's elevator does not go to the top floor, he is owned by me and Logic 101!

Like our new catchphrase, we think its really cool, it describes what we strive for and do??

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
Better than best!
richrelative
richrelative
WA
162 posts
WA, 162 posts
3 Dec 2005 8:49pm
Yeah my friend fly best kite ,bfk 18 very good kite and jump very well . Some people do not like other peoples to promote this kite brand
!!! I say to you to go and fly your silly kite on the beach steve and leave kitesurfing to people who use the product all time,not theory people like you.

cya later and

goodwinds

richrelative
Better than most!!
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
3 Dec 2005 9:13pm
steve,
if you 'speak the truth' as you put it, how come you always pimped best when you were selling their kites? If you sepaked the truth, you wouldn't have sold even one of those kites!

kiteharder,
don't put your money down yet mate. No one can whether the kite will be good or crap but just remember all those poor souls that put money down for the hellfish before it was even released!
Nevertheless, I hope that your happy with your purchase...it will be good to see how best bonce back.

Regards
Dan (in the middle of nowhere aka Raventhorpe Nickel Mine)
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1806 posts
WA, 1806 posts
3 Dec 2005 9:49pm
Kiteharder, the reason Best cops quite a lot of $H1t on this forum in the past has been for their misleading advertising , mosty from the americans pushing the brand ..... and you've just given a good example ; " they have been asured by BEST that this kite is better than the other brands " thats' typical best marketing. I'm sure the kite will probably fly well like a bow or they wouldn't sell it so for the value if you wanted a bow kite its certainly worth a look, but it probably wont' fly better than all the other brands, as last time they said their kite would do that it got recalled and is now know-where to be seen.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
3 Dec 2005 10:59pm
quote:
Originally posted by kiterdan

steve,
if you 'speak the truth' as you put it, how come you always pimped best when you were selling their kites? If you sepaked the truth, you wouldn't have sold even one of those kites!

kiteharder,
don't put your money down yet mate. No one can whether the kite will be good or crap but just remember all those poor souls that put money down for the hellfish before it was even released!
Nevertheless, I hope that your happy with your purchase...it will be good to see how best bonce back.

Regards
Dan (in the middle of nowhere aka Raventhorpe Nickel Mine)




hey dan do you know ken hellsten? He was the project manager up (down) there when it was in development guess its full go up (down) there now? Anyway he's a mates dad (his son is eng at uwa aswell). Don't think hes there much at all now though.


You on fifo? 8 and 6 or something.


I did my hard slog last summer, 12 weeks in leinster (another nickel mine by coincidence). Was on 2:1, but the weeks off there was no wind, Didn't get any kiting in at all.

anyway good luck.
Bo
Bo
WA
192 posts
Bo Bo
WA, 192 posts
4 Dec 2005 12:17am
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
Like our new catchphrase, we think its really cool, it describes what we strive for and do??

You might think its a cool Steve. Some of us are quite sickened by your antics. You seem to lack any sense of shame?? You sold out to 'Al Kiter', your own term from last year, the term you sardonically used when referring to the 'more accepted brands'. And now you've brazenly swapped sides, ruthlessly using your manipulative sales talk against the very brand you religously advocated only a few months ago!?? Your only motivation being to sell kites, obviously...

Customer service? Kitepower better than BEST? Not so in my experience. Last year I enquired by email about the printing on a Yarga coming off prematurely. You replied to me 'it was normal', merely cosmetic and that I should 'consider using a groundsheet' to launch my kite. (I'm still laughing about that one). The truth was of course that you didn't want the hassle & costs of shipping the kite back to the US for warranty...

When I contacted BEST in Florida about the issue they replaced the kite with a new one, no worries.

So no - Steve, we're not fooled by your guffaws and self-assured chest thumping. Your opportunistic selling out to 'more accepted brands' after strongly evangelising BEST for over a year, unfortunately does not exactly evoke a sense of trustworthiness.

I will not buy from you again. Good luck...

Bo
ottisgrey
ottisgrey
WA
38 posts
WA, 38 posts
4 Dec 2005 1:15am
Steve,

Consider for a moment that we forum users are not just simple as clay, and here only for you to mold. Consider that we can read, can think for ourselves and are not your sworn enemies, we are just kitesurfers.

Read your posts, can you see your problem?

We can.

I've been quoting you just to show you how convenient! contrived and baseless your favorite premise is.
(it's your get out of jail free card, the reason you don't function properly)

At some level I know you get it, yet you persist in playing

the chest thumping bully, "Butch monkey Kockpower" with your head jambed so far up your ass you can no longer even see reason.

Take a break, make a new start, be helpful, we are not enemies to be attacked and vanquished, we are just kitesurfers.

ottis





tron
tron
WA
84 posts
WA, 84 posts
4 Dec 2005 8:04am
WOW !!! This way better reading than best hype
NSW, 4382 posts
4 Dec 2005 11:25am
quote:
Originally posted by Bo

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
Like our new catchphrase, we think its really cool, it describes what we strive for and do??

You might think its a cool Steve. Some of us are quite sickened by your antics. You seem to lack any sense of shame?? You sold out to 'Al Kiter', your own term from last year, the term you sardonically used when referring to the 'more accepted brands'. And now you've brazenly swapped sides, ruthlessly using your manipulative sales talk against the very brand you religously advocated only a few months ago!?? Your only motivation being to sell kites, obviously...

Customer service? Kitepower better than BEST? Not so in my experience. Last year I enquired by email about the printing on a Yarga coming off prematurely. You replied to me 'it was normal', merely cosmetic and that I should 'consider using a groundsheet' to launch my kite. (I'm still laughing about that one). The truth was of course that you didn't want the hassle & costs of shipping the kite back to the US for warranty...

When I contacted BEST in Florida about the issue they replaced the kite with a new one, no worries.

So no - Steve, we're not fooled by your guffaws and self-assured chest thumping. Your opportunistic selling out to 'more accepted brands' after strongly evangelising BEST for over a year, unfortunately does not exactly evoke a sense of trustworthiness.

I will not buy from you again. Good luck...

Bo



Take it easy Bo.
If you choose to not buy from Kitepower again thats fine I respect your decision.
But please don't tell lies about us.
You never asked for a replacement kite, and if you had have, it would have been replaced as demonstrated by **** replacing it. I had already contacted **** on your behalf, regarding your problem that would be why they replaced the kite so quickly.
If it was a warranty, then it was never a requirement to ship any warranty item back to them, you are making false claims in the hope of somehow hurting the Kitepower business, good luck.

I have brazenly swapped sides because we were seriously shafted by ****, I reserve the right to not do business with people who do not respect agreements and hard work done on their behalf by others. I also prefer to stock brands that support Australian kiters, the Australian kiting scene, and who provide better backup in Australia, this is because I put Australian kiters needs first.

Just because a kite has a wacky traditional owners object name does not make it a good kite or even a cool thing to do in my book, its just American overhyped hype, and thats just the way things are over there.

I sardonically referred to the other side as the Poleclans, Al Kiter was me/Kitepower.

I've never religiously advocated any brand or religion Bo, but I refuse to hang it on the actual standard **** kites, they fly fine, and I was more than happy to sell them, thats what we do, and now we do it better than best, ok?

There was no manipulative sales talk, I was actually banned from this forum, and all my advertisements in KB mag were rejected too (although they have since caved in and printed a full page advert in this issue).

There was a pact of sorts in this country and across the world that was keeping kite prices high, it had frustrated me for years. It was maintained by the distributors of the established brands for whatever reason, how could you explain that all kites were so similar in price? (like all 12M kites in Oz were around 2 grand)
Kitepower saw this as elitist, greedy and limiting to people who were on fixed incomes, like young people, and fathers with families, to participate in this great sport. Then **** saw it too, and decided to exploit the huge loophole that the Poleclans had created, the rest is history. Now you and everyone pays less for kites.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
Better than best!
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
4 Dec 2005 11:47am
Steve nice try with saying that the Globerider is actually cheaper.

the waroo is a 12M
the sonic is a 11M

i know not much difference but enough to make sonics less expensive.

If someone walked into kitepower, an absolute noob wanting advice i bet the first kite you would show him is cabrinha. isn't it bad business ethics to slam an old business "partner" or distributor(wateva you call em) as to speak.

From another thread Liquid force 12m bow is actually marginally cheaper than the Waroo .

BEST waroo (complete)
12m $1560

LIQUID FORCE assault (complete)
12m $1545

you a kite pimp steve who posts on this forum purely to increase sales in your shop. You are a true business man whom will change his opinion at the drop of the hat based on the products he stocks.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
4 Dec 2005 12:38pm
Think you should all go on Jerry Springer to sort it out
fo
fo
WA
54 posts
fo fo
WA, 54 posts
4 Dec 2005 9:52am
NICE ONE!

I'm cracking up...
fo


quote:
Originally posted by lotofwind

Think you should all go on Jerry Springer to sort it out

anton
anton
202 posts
202 posts
4 Dec 2005 10:39am
quote:
Originally posted by lotofwind

Think you should all go on Jerry Springer to sort it out



Hey whats wrong with our own home grown productions... Beauty and the Beast [}:)] Look at the clowns they have had on that over the years - Stan Zemanek, Doug Mulray, etc.

I guess we revive the role of host knob with Steve *********
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
4 Dec 2005 11:13am
Well folks, open your eyes and read between the lines.

The topic title:
Santa bring me the "BEST" !!!!!

Hell, I just vomited over the Chrisco hamper.
This ad is perfectly timed for the Xmas shopper.

Kiteharder's opening post is a scripted intro for the BEST ad.
Arsa's reply post is the full ad babble.
4DICE finishes off nicely with "and where do ya get it.."

Team Pimping.

No wonder Steve jumps on the computer and punches a few loose keys around.

Regards
'slave
anton
anton
202 posts
202 posts
4 Dec 2005 11:30am
hook
line
sinker
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
4 Dec 2005 2:49pm
Just imagine one of those filled with helium!
NSW, 4382 posts
4 Dec 2005 5:58pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Steve nice try with saying that the Globerider is actually cheaper.

the waroo is a 12M
the sonic is a 11M

i know not much difference but enough to make sonics less expensive.

If someone walked into kitepower, an absolute noob wanting advice i bet the first kite you would show him is cabrinha. isn't it bad business ethics to slam an old business "partner" or distributor(wateva you call em) as to speak.

From another thread Liquid force 12m bow is actually marginally cheaper than the Waroo .

BEST waroo (complete)
12m $1560

LIQUID FORCE assault (complete)
12m $1545

you a kite pimp steve who posts on this forum purely to increase sales in your shop. You are a true business man whom will change his opinion at the drop of the hat based on the products he stocks.



Thats a nasty dose of foot in mouth you have picked up Spacer!
You would be forum beatch, if I am a pimp.
Once a person walks into my shop, they see that we are actually kite specialists, stocking every major brand, and I mean stocking, we have stock+.
We have approx 15 demo kites, and 10 or so demo boards, we prefer to let people make their own choice. This equals happy customers, this is what makes us better than best!

If you actually learn to browse around on your puter you will find advertised prices for the Sonic for around $1450 - $1490, and you will find good prices on all the other bows too.
Many of the other bows, offer a lot more for the few extra dollars they sell for.
Price is only one consideration, and we are yet to see the **** bar, overhyped already as better than anything else on the market, same blah, blah for the woohoo kite.

The Liquid Force Assault is another example of another bow kite that is actually less costly than a woohoo, thanks for pointing that out!
I didn't slam ****, that might come at a later date.
I simply stated that I chose not to do business with people who do not respect business agreements and the risks and results achieved through hard work by others on their behalf. Thats not slamming, its not unethical either.
Its a big world out there Spacer, people in business do not always play fair or straight. When you have worked for 15 years in an industry starting from nothing and growing to be the better than best kiteshops in Oz, then you will be qualified to pass judgement on us, until then keep your foot in your mouth beeatch!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au
Better than best!
anton
anton
202 posts
202 posts
4 Dec 2005 3:45pm
bestest woohoo

where can I get one
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
4 Dec 2005 3:48pm
Steve,

That new catchy catchphrase of Kitepower....
'Better than Best'

Does that make sense ?

I mean, it's a bit like saying;
Further than infinity or
More perfect than....


And lastly, is it legal ?

Regards
'slave
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
4 Dec 2005 3:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
When you have worked for 15 years in an industry starting from nothing and growing to be the better than best kiteshops in Oz, then you will be qualified to pass judgement on us, until then keep your foot in your mouth beeatch!




I thought retail its all about the location. Unfortunately your on the wrong side of the country mate.

Don't see to many ski shops in perth.

NSW, 4382 posts
4 Dec 2005 7:06pm
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

Steve,

That new catchy catchphrase of Kitepower....
'Better than Best'

Does that make sense ?

I mean, it's a bit like saying;
Further than infinity or
More perfect than....


And lastly, is it legal ?

Regards
'slave



Hey Slave
Hows the wind and waves been over where you are?
Legal, thats funny!!
So is the koan Better than best.
It was never meant to make sense, just make people smile.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

PS - Carbine, there may be a Kitepower store opening near you soon?
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
4 Dec 2005 6:14pm
Steve,
I'm smiling.

PS. We need a kiteshop in Mandurah.
tron
tron
WA
84 posts
WA, 84 posts
4 Dec 2005 6:38pm

4DICE
4DICE
QLD
158 posts
QLD, 158 posts
4 Dec 2005 8:55pm
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

Well folks, open your eyes and read between the lines.

The topic title:
Santa bring me the "BEST" !!!!!

Hell, I just vomited over the Chrisco hamper.
This ad is perfectly timed for the Xmas shopper.

Kiteharder's opening post is a scripted intro for the BEST ad.
Arsa's reply post is the full ad babble.
4DICE finishes off nicely with "and where do ya get it.."

Team Pimping.

No wonder Steve jumps on the computer and punches a few loose keys around.

Regards
'slave



i dont want to buy one, im COMPLETE with my switchblade, not sum best kite. i just wanted to go to the store to find out where to kite you ass
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