Dear Moderater,

Please nuke the above post. ^^^

lol.

discussion is good! i will moderate fairly!

No idea why other people do it but if you read the first line again really slowly you might work out why I did it !!!

The underlying msg I got from ggh was one of unity and tolerance....
The impression I got from main was he may be from Logan...or Ipswich...

Most people don't even know... or pretend not too know the difference between
Port and Starboard and water rights.

The lessons learned years ago are not installed in new kiters..Which is why
kiting is subsequently banned at various locations around the country.

Nearly every kiter I've come across is taught too walk around with your kite
as high above thier head as they can......

E.G. When approaching most kitiers they fight too be upwind of you,regardless
of their right's but because of their line they need too hold.Then they put their
kite as high as they can! With the amount of people at the same locations,you need
too look out for other's regardless of what brand kite board windsurfer they have.

It's for all too use,enjoy and share! So try looking out each other and
thank your lucky stars that you can go kiting or windsurfing.

^^ Whether he "cherry picked sentences" or not is irrelevant, the way you said that one line and then later tied the story into the situation that happened in France somehow says it all... Yes you are spreading bull****, whether you think you are or not. Not bringing up the issue at all would have caused far less tension between Poleys Vs Teabaggers and is what you probably should have done...

Geeeet out of here!

Sorry ggh but reading the original thread, while you gave some balance and said you wanted peace between the 2 camps, you did leave the impression that the kiter took off. In a thread about a kiter who apparently ran from a collision before apparently handing himself in later. So to some degree you were drawing a comparison to Main's actions which wasn't fair considering his side of the story.

Main: i'd probably be angry too, particularly with chris's unhelpful comments stirring things up. But no point being too aggressive on here.

My 2c: There's always gonna be a problem because for the most part windsufferers consider themselves small boats, and follow (some) nautical conventions. Teabaggerers consider themselves, mostly (racers excepted), a totally new sport unlike any other, with a set of unique right of way rules that generally work between kiters. So there's always gonna be friction where the 2 mix, particularly with some adrenaline flowing.

Hang about this kiter says he was on starboard tack heading out from the beach, doesn't sound to me like someone who has no clue about sailing rules.

Weta said..

Hang about this kiter says he was on starboard tack heading out from the beach, doesn't sound to me like someone who has no clue about sailing rules.

rule is whoever comes riding off the beach has ride of way from people coming in towards the beach

Just to put this into perspective. Accidents happen and i accept this. In hindsight the place was just too crowded on the day as it was a kite demo day. There was more than one close call I saw on the day (between kiters) and thought to myself at the time this is my last demo....

I don't blame the other sailor as he had two other guys travelling at speed down wind and just behind him (on the same tack). If those two guys weren't there I would have simply abandoned my line and beared off down wind. It was a particular set of circumstances that was unusual and it takes this create an accident. We were all travelling at speed and it was quite a distance from the beach - i was just using this as a reference point to say it was blowing a SE'ster.

The group of sailboarders and I closed on each other very fast so by the time i realised i wasn't going to get clear water upwind of him I tried to turn downwind to thread between windsurfer 1 and windsurfer 2. Unfortunately just as I turned downwind so did he and we collided. Windsurfer 1 and i were looking at each other as we closed on each other - we signalled each other but either way it wasn't clear what each of us meant and once we got to this stage it was too late....

I didnt blame the other guy and still don't. Im not looking to whip up support as Chris cynically suggested. I mentioned the accident to a few people and was pretty annoyed to see it appear on Seabreeze in a context that was untrue and unfair. I was even more annoyed to see it relayed in a forum about a dog act by a KS in France. ggh - whether you were intentionally drawing a direct comparison or not is irrelevant because YOU DID!! You can back-peddle, twist sentences and call for peace and harmony all you like but what you wrote was slander - black and white!

I posted it across to this forum as the GC is a small place and I didn't want an untrue rumour drifting from windsurfers to kiteboarders that I had possibly caused a crash and then "pissed off" leaving a dazed and injured sailboarder out in the middle of the Broadwater. Sorry this action has upset you so much Chris but I dont care about your sense of order and forum protocols I simply want to clear my reputation and character amongst those locals who I had mentioned the incident to.

As I said I don't partially care about whipping up support, I have no interest in KS vs SB, but I do care about my reputation and I wont tolerate people slandering me whether direct or implied.

Yes my language was pretty appalling and tone was aggressive but put yourself in my shoes and you find you tend to take the gloves off... Most other commercial situations and you'd be getting a letter from Steve Russell.

And no benny I dont come from or reside in Logan or Ipswich - LOL......

I've been in this situation, and right of way rules can be confusing at the best of times, so in the same situation I didn't attempt to thread the needle, I just parked the kite at 12 layed back in the water and waited for the others to pass. whilst kites passing kites is pretty easy coz u can see from the position of their kite whether they intend to pass upwind or downwind, it gets a lot more confusing with anybody else. we (kiters) already give way to waveriders and the like. and we're pretty agile, and we are the new sport, may as well just make it the standard that the kiter gives way. at least that way this'll never happen again. and yes the idea of giving way to every polerider does really suck, but safety first. just a thought

WETA Main was on Starboarb and had right of way and was well off the beach . What also should be added was how quickly it happened and agree that Main would not have had a hope in hell of bringing the kite to 12. IT was an genuine accident with no malice or neglegence just bad for the two involved.

Dont look for blame in this single event use it to illustrate the risk and hopefully better understand what can go wrong.

Finnaly Main i sincerly appollagise for the poor choice of words which drew conclusions that portade you as a vilian or "dog act ". It was not intended and had the polar opposite of what i was trying to relay . I didnt see it in that light at the time and had it not been greated with such vitriol I wouldnt have dug my heals in . Now I see your perspective and for that I feel horrible I will take this conversation as a lesson in social media I will take more care when posting in the future.

I dont know who Steve Russel is but he already scares me .

thanks 4 that kit33r.
my main confusion lies in being on the west coast where we enter the water on a port tack.
at which point do we stop being a kiter entering the water who has right of way and become someone on a port tack who should give way

Yeah guys i was referring to the fact the kiter had ROW as he was os starboard as some of the earlier posts had made it sound like he/all kiters have no clue.

Having said that and not commenting specifically on this incident as i wasn't there. I tend to hold my line as long as pratical and if it appears the other water user isn't going to give right of way then i bear away, normally accompanied with colourful language & gesturing. But really if all else fails then commonsense should prevail, unfortunately in short supply with some nogins.

Go for it red thumb bandits

Big eeeZeee said..

80% of kiters wouldn't know **** about right of way/general etiquette

http://www.nswkba.com.au/coc

It says that if I go out in WA on a SW wind as a goofy (right shoulder forward in switch stance), I have right of way then I jibe and once again head back to the beach with my right shoulder forward (right if way), stick to that method and you have permanent right of way