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poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
27 Feb 2008 9:50pm
So whats the pick of the kite surfboards?

Have been on my own 6'3 Dave Macauley for the last age, strapless surfboard, which has been great but maybe 6'3" is a bit too long.

Am now considering a new Surfboard...Want something that is around 6' light strong and not such bulky rails...any suggestions ?
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
27 Feb 2008 11:32pm
I think 6ft2 is a little big for our Perth breaks.
Do you want glass or epoxy?
For glass I got mine shaped by D.A.Lewy, who works for murray smith surf shop. Beautiful board. Its light, fairly strong and I like the shop owner as he treated me good (instead of other shop owners thinking some pesky kid is touching the boards-was 14when looking for the one).
No clue about epoxy boards.
Ps, they custom shape them for no extra charge, but it takes about 2weeks to get it built. And would never ever ever use it as a kiteboard. Its one of my many babies.
Ryland
Ryland
WA
1222 posts
WA, 1222 posts
27 Feb 2008 11:40pm
i have the 6'2 sst. pretty sweet board. if you want something smaller try the slingshot 5'11 srt. pretty sure choicey has the 08 models in stock.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
27 Feb 2008 11:56pm
Hi Reli,

I ride and love the 6' Airush Converse, it's been a great board for me and I have ridden the 07 and 08 and reckon they're both the goods.

I have the 08 6' Converse for demo if you want to have a borrow to see if you like it.

Let me know. Good winds,

manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
28 Feb 2008 2:08am
There is also the spleene kite surfboard, its constructed like a twintip and therefore holds a nice edge. I'd imagine ian young will tell you all about them, there was also another recent thread about some guy who brough one - i think he liked it.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
28 Feb 2008 7:12am
Delta or Jimmy Lewis seem nice for the accomplished.
schmik
schmik
NSW
235 posts
NSW, 235 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:24am
I've got a spleene zone and i do like it but with you are used to surfboard and like it then get another surfboard. The zone doesn't have the volume of a surfboard so needs a fair bit more kite power. The zone is great for twin tip riders that want a surf shape or for surfers that break far too many boards. You could ride it strapless but i think for that type of riding an actual surfboard would be best.

mike
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
28 Feb 2008 9:21am
Ryland said...

i have the 6'2 sst. pretty sweet board. if you want something smaller try the slingshot 5'11 srt.


I agree the sst is a great board, but if your a light weight do as mentioned and get an srt.
CarlBevo
CarlBevo
NSW
609 posts
NSW, 609 posts
28 Feb 2008 12:14pm
Hey Relli you eat more pies and drink more Guiness than me and I am currently loving my standard 6"2 I surf on, the SST (6"2) would suit you well. As I eluded too your a tad heavier larger than me and I'm looking at adding a 6"0 to the quiver.

P.S. you and VB look cute together in that photo did you let him go to first base???
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:22am
you and VB look cute together in that photo did you let him go to first base???

I let him touch my breast only because his stubble gave me a nasty rash.

I'm also on a diet....have lost 7kg since NYE. No guinness n pies for me. Pure blonde and spinach rolls instead.

Just need kn wind........
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:26am
What waves do you plan to surf?

I would stay away from a generic board that has been made for ALL THE CONDITIONS. They are spat out in some factory with no regard for local conditions of where you will use the board.

A few things to consider:

* epoxy boards are tougher/stiffer and easier to repair
* local shaper knows your breaks, get one of them to shape it if you can
* rocker, if you go much shorter you will lose rocker(unless you get a 6.2 and chop off the nose)
* concave is a must

I chose a board 2' shorter and 1' thinner than the board i normally surf, my thinking was that the the kite would be adding the extra energy required to fill in the blanks.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:40am
I must admit i like my epoxy 6'3" 18 2 1/4 surfboard.
I had it custom made for me ages ago to my exact specs as a short board to compliment my at the time 6' 10" for Indo trips..... and its (was) a damn fine board.

I guess what i want is something with similar dimensions, light, strong and for predominantly metro waves.

So would you go epoxy over tufflite ?
Would you get a local shaper to do it or off the rack ?
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:46am
I'm riding a cabrinha 5'3" and it rocks in all conditions I've ridden it in so far around the south west.
I don't take on the big breaks but have ridden it in waves up to head high and it is really nice under wind or wave power.
I'm only a lightweight tho (70+ kgs)
be interested to hear from anyone who's ridden the new s-quad
CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
28 Feb 2008 12:05pm
it is a personal choice really, as you see everyones opinion is different.
At the end of the day it depends on ur riding style and where you are riding.
I have a custom glass 6 footer that a local shaper made me and it is wicked.
I also have a tufflite 6"2 quad and it is also wicked in the light conditions.
in terms of strength and price id go a custom shape from Da-lewy or P-dot or any of the other locals that know the perth waves. You can get a strong board that is easy to fix yourself and feels like a surfboard flexwise.
A tufflite is good for light winds but i am a little cautious when i ride it as getting it fixed involves no board for at least a week and min. 70 bucks. hence i dont try jumping with it.
There are some sick looking kite specific boards out now, but still offer no garantee so it is a gamble paying that extra coin when you could snap it in a day.
The airush and slingy boards do look nice tho...
Check out kiteforum, there has been pages and pages of stuff on there about choosing boards and what different constructions do to the feel of the board and the strength of the board. There is also a pod of mark shinn on there somewhere where he explains the shaping of a good "kite" surfboard, and why he thinks so.

The biggest dilemma most have is that for kiting you need extra strength, but then when you beef up the construction you get too stiff a board which feels like crap.
Some guys are working on laminated construction of areas that require the stiffness/strength(feet area) and then leave normal the other areas(rest of deck) and then a reasonably heavy base glass.
Aparently Burton(big snowboard company) have bought out a large surfboard manufacturing company and are working on a whole new way of construction which people are predicting to be "the" future. we shall see...

for the time-being i would say custom glass cos at least then you can get it shaped how you want and cheap. And if you fK it up you just get out the repair kit and fix it yourself for bugger all.
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
28 Feb 2008 12:48pm
Sorry Meerkat, got to dissagree on a few points,

Epoxy boards are tougher and stiffer, but harder to repair in a lot of cases

You can put any amount of rocker into any length, depends on what you want the board to do

Concave is absolutly not a must,

surfboard dynamics are not windsurfer or TT dynamics






ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
28 Feb 2008 7:52pm
Just ride em all and go for the one you like.

You should have taken the Spleene Zone for a spin up @ Kitestock Rellie! Still welcome to take mine for a spin any time. Most of the guys I know that have them would also be happy to let you test ride theirs if you ask them nicely :-)

IMHO the volume in a surfboard is really a major issue if you intend to paddle it to catch a wave.
Ryland
Ryland
WA
1222 posts
WA, 1222 posts
28 Feb 2008 8:24pm
dont know about some of the other brands mentioned but pretty sure the slingshot surfboards come with a pretty good waranty.
schmik
schmik
NSW
235 posts
NSW, 235 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:56pm
I'll just clarifywhat i said about the Zone.... in general riding around the zone is very quick and doesn't need much kite to get going.... a lot less than a freestyle twintip. It holds and edge very well and you can jump it like a twin tip with no fear of any damage to it. It slices through the chop like nothing else. In the really rough stuff a surfboard bounces around a lot whereas the zone just slices through. At time when i feel that i definitely would have nose dived a twinie the zone is ok due to the length, high nose and flex. And carving.... it really does turn very sharp. You can snap it around very easy.

I'm not a stand up surfer so take this as you will but i feel that in really full waves the volume of a surfboard helps. I think that if you are a surfer and use the kite to catch waves then you may like a surfboard better but if you want to kitesurf waves then the zone is definitely worth trying out.

I'm not sure if a standup surfer who picks up a kite would like a zone as much as a kiter who choses to kitesurf on waves.

**** it... enough of my rants. Just try one. Nothing ventured nothing gained!

mike
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
28 Feb 2008 9:30pm
I guess the motto is take time in selection and demo everything.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
29 Feb 2008 12:49am
Hey Rellie you must have demoed every kite at kitestock perhaps you should have set aside an hour a day for demoing boards or maybe you can have a quite word in WAKSA's ear and see if they can organise another kitestock in a week or two .

P.S. Im only just starting to kitesurf on a directional but am quite happy so far with my strapped 6'2" Pat Rawson Tufflite. I'm using it strapless most of the time when the wind is light as being a long time surfer I like to be able to move my feet around but I have tested it's strength by doing a few backrolls on it when heading back out over the waves strapped in slightly stronger winds and its all good so far.
I think if I was looking at a new board now though I would like to try a quad fin.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
29 Feb 2008 1:07am
poor relative said...

I guess the motto is take time in selection and demo everything.



the moto is you're so **** its not going to make a difference.
robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
29 Feb 2008 1:35am
now now...

i cant believe he's on a fk'n diet tho, in the repetitive words of slave:

lol.
atomic
atomic
WA
94 posts
WA, 94 posts
29 Feb 2008 4:36pm
your doctor suggesting eating smaller portions does not give you the right to be a pedo u sik !#@@#$

**joke, i dont think i've ever seen PR but i'm sure hes not into boys or young boys... he suggested he was gay anyway**
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
29 Feb 2008 4:55pm
RayQ said...

Sorry Meerkat, got to dissagree on a few points,

Epoxy boards are tougher and stiffer, but harder to repair in a lot of cases

All my repairs have been from dropping the board in the car park, hitting my bar(or head) or the board washing up the beach. Those fixes on a fibreglass board would have been a pain in the @rse. Expoxy means i just head to bunnings, $10 worth of sticky stuff and masking tape and i am done.

RayQ said...


You can put any amount of rocker into any length, depends on what you want the board to do

He wants to surf it, not own a banana.

RayQ said...


Concave is absolutly not a must,

surfboard dynamics are not windsurfer or TT dynamics


Really? how do u hold the edge of your surfboard without straps with ease?

Then again these are just my opinion, never said they were right?





RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
1 Mar 2008 2:15pm
Hi Meerkat

I think you should read up on board construction a bit more before giving advise

Polyester and epoxy are both fiberglass boards, its just a different resin, and your not actually fixing the board with that stuff you are using, its just meant to be a temporary patch.
Theres a lot more to boards than what you see on the surface, even manufacturers are reluctant to tell you the facts.
Besides fibre glass there is also ASA, ABS, Polyethylene and varios other plastics that were used with out fiberglass for whole boards and for bits and pieces.

Not touching on the other points, as a lot of myth going around about shape, but everything is posible and will give you certain characteristics.

But I guess the most important thingt is to have graphics matching the kite....
This will make you go faster.......
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
1 Mar 2008 4:15pm
and you can repair a polyester board with epoxy!

so is no way reparing an epoxy board easier.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
1 Mar 2008 4:36pm
In my opinion, it depends on how you ride.
Basically, if you like to ride fast, powered and use the kite to whip you around, you would want to look for a board with similar characteristics to a tow board. SS boards can be used to tow...so I've heard anyway.
If you like to ride underpowered and use the wave, you want something closer to a surfboard that you would use in the same conditions if you were surfing it.
The difference between the two wouldn't be too different in Perth mush, but on a real wave, it should feel heaps different.
I'm on a 6'0 Rusty Flexlite square off the rack. Cost me $500 because it had future fins in it (supposedly they've struck a deal with FCS now) which I prefer anyhow. Suits my riding a lot more than the other boards I've ridden.
Anyway, as they've said, try everything and anything.

Hey meerkat, you must have the thickest surfboard known to man!...unless you weight half a tonne and use a stand-up paddle board to surf. Don't where you're getting the edging bit from either??
mergaTroy
mergaTroy
NSW
150 posts
NSW, 150 posts
1 Mar 2008 11:45pm

If you want light and strong check out the surftech website.

I have a 6'1 stretch quad and a 6'4 webber thruster all good you might go a size smaller.
Better and cheaper than the kite brands that make surfboards.

T


lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
402 posts
SA, 402 posts
2 Mar 2008 12:14am
Hi Mike I have been riding my firewire quaddie - www.firewiresurfboards.com - and its pretty good - different from your average surfboard construction and a great board...

Super strong boards, not as strong as a dedicated kite board I wouldnt think but you can jump on these things on the ground and they will flex flat then spring back - well the test boards we built that we didnt care for we were able to!!
gkram
gkram
QLD
119 posts
QLD, 119 posts
4 Mar 2008 10:53am
Yeah I've been riding a firewire board for kiting now for the last two months. I was a bit dubious in getting one but I tried my friends, who just uses his for surfing & it was easily the best ride I've had. They are strong yet they flex like a poly board. Try one out if you get a chance.


lancekenny said...

Hi Mike I have been riding my firewire quaddie - www.firewiresurfboards.com - and its pretty good - different from your average surfboard construction and a great board...

Super strong boards, not as strong as a dedicated kite board I wouldnt think but you can jump on these things on the ground and they will flex flat then spring back - well the test boards we built that we didnt care for we were able to!!


simonmm
simonmm
QLD
200 posts
QLD, 200 posts
4 Mar 2008 2:42pm
Having ridden a bunch of Surftecs, glass boards, Slingsnot, Naish and Airush boards, I'd have to say that the Airush Converse by far and away best balances the needs of durability with a great board that surfs well. The 6' Converse will definately meet your criteria of light, strong and unbulky rails. Personally I prefer the 6'4" board as it lets you use a smaller kite and works well for paddle surfing.
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