rez u shudnt talk that way about ur mum.

u will be happy to know i will soon have limited access to the net all day in the office due to new work commitments so u girls can cry on all u like all day and recieve no more classy comebacks from urs truley.

soon to be retired from forum bashing
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appology accepted rez..............

regards BROWNEEE

Do not overlook a flysurfer kite. They are the top of the line ram air kites, they perform just as well as any inflatable and have a second to none water relaunchabilty.

The new titans are extremly stable and are excellent for beginners. Make sure you contact Ian Young to test fly his kites.

I do not sell or promote any kitesurfing gear, I am just a very satisfied customer who got some excellent tuition and some excellent gear from Ian.

White men can jump! (With the help of my 7m warrior.)

"Anyone got a second hand one for sale? I can't afford new at the moment and all i see for sale are LEIs. (Perhaps this is cos noone wants to get rid of their flysurfers??)"

Yeah all the top guys in the world must be holding on to their flysurfers pretty tight as you never see them using them in public. They only use them when the photographers arent around as they don't want the secret to get out?

Actually i dont see anyone any good using them, so must be a huge secret.

And im sure there are some second hand ones around as I know at least 3 people personally who started with flysurfers and now using inflatables. Nearly everyone i see with the flysurf kite, it has been their first kite, they got lessons from one perth person and had never tried a modern inflatable. They think that because they learnt on a teaching inflatable, they have "experience" flying inflatables.

The foils do re-launch more quickly - provided there is no tangling. They can be quicker to set up with same condition as above.

Why are they not popular? Id say wind range is one reason. And i don't care what enthusiast say, i know what i see on the water with other people using the bumblee coloured flysurf. Their low end is about the same as a 12m inflatable, but they get put away at about 22 knots while 12m inflatables are still going comfortably.

Another reason is complexity. Inflatables are so easy to fix and pretty rugged when hit hard. If you blow out a foil by banging it in the surf or whatever, there is all these strings to reattach and the inner webbing.

Handling - they LOOK like they handle pretty badly..i admit i have never tried a flysurf and never want to, probably too tricky for me. But watching them, they look like they turn slow, thats partly why i never wanted to try one.


Id would say to the beginner, dont believe one person. Talk to a range of people, look at what the vast majority of experienced riders use and ask yourself " Do i know better then them?" If you think the answer is yes then buy a flysurf. Don't talk to anyone with a commercial interest..walk down to the beach..

I Definately agree with loud.
I really don't see why browneee needs to cop flak from anyone regarding his kites. How is browneee recommending a chinakite different from a customer of his, or anyone for that matter, recommending them. Brownee should be praised, as loud said, not only for keeping his cool as chinakites were ripped into on several different threads by people who had never ridden them and by some wno had never seen them except in photos (Ian Lane), but also for having the guts to risk his reputation and his money to go out there and find a decent kite at a lower price so more people can get into the sport. Browneee isn't trying to rip anyone off here, he does buy and ride them himself, you know. We need more people like browneee and less like Ian Lane if we want this sport to be open to the public and not just to the Jaguar opwners/buyers.

Just defending a top bloke,

Luke.

I've got both tube & foil kites.There's advantages in both types.To say one is better than the other is a little childish.To each their own.As long as you're happy with what you've got & out kiting you're going to improve with time.Sound's like we all need a damn good kite.

I reckon! You use what you use and noone is going to bag their own kite (s) so just get out there and have fun. Thats what it's all about in the end!!!