As far as I'm aware -

- No one at sea has right of way, but the person/watercraft on the Port tack must "give-way" to the person on the Starboard tack. Motor-boat is supposed to give way to sail boat.

- When overtaking another kiter the person being over taken has right of way.

- Person changing tack must give way to those not doing so.

- Avoid collisions at all costs.

- When overlapping/passing the person downwind has right of way, meaning the more upwind rider must raise his/her kite.

- Person on the wave has right of way.

- Person moving with speed into the area that is the known "trick area" at a freestyle spot has right of way over someone merely moving through the area. If both riders entering at the same time then the person who waited their turn has right of way, and if that can't be solved then Starboard finally has right of way.

Using these guidelines it shouldn't be too difficult to avoid collisions. The problem really begins though when you need to define what the spot is... For example what if I'm at a small wave beach spot and I'm hitting ramps (waves) going out on my Starboard tack? Do I have right of way over people on Port tack "wave-riding" one foot slop?

JacobMatan said..
also who has right of way the downwind kiter or the in and out kiter, sure the in and out kiter might be on the wave earlier but technically the downwind kiter is further upwind? I have experienced both sides following a wave in from far out only to have a downwind rider ride up on it from the shore break and riding a wave downwind only to be boxed in with nowhere to go by a in and out kiter? we need to make up a rule for this one

The Kiter "closest to the peak" of the wave has right of way... That is the guy on the wave... The "straight downwinder" can wait or head out...

theWaterBoy said..

JacobMatan said..
also who has right of way the downwind kiter or the in and out kiter, sure the in and out kiter might be on the wave earlier but technically the downwind kiter is further upwind? I have experienced both sides following a wave in from far out only to have a downwind rider ride up on it from the shore break and riding a wave downwind only to be boxed in with nowhere to go by a in and out kiter? we need to make up a rule for this one

The Kiter "closest to the peak" of the wave has right of way... That is the guy on the wave... The "straight downwinder" can wait or head out...

First on wave owns it.

Then if you can't ascertain who was on it first, right of way is is the upwind person / closest to the peak (ie: he who can make the most of riding that wave)

Been that way forever and no new rule is needed, agreed that DW guys have to give way unless they go out back and catch a wave in the 'traditional' manner

Yesterday, I drove out from the hardware store.

I pulled up behind a car at an intersection.

The traffic light was red.

We both waited patiently for the light to change.

Moments before it turned green ...

an ambulance siren screamed out 90 degrees to our right.

A second later and I spotted the ambo speeding towards the intersection.

In that very instant, the light changed to green.

I was astounded to see the car in front take off ...

like it was nothing out of the ordinary.

I remained stationary of course.

The green traffic light (all shiny and glowy),,,

an evil temptation willing on the unaware.

To my amazement, the car then stopped dead in the middle of the crossroad ...

not unlike a deer caught in the headlights, except it was bright daytime.

Obviously, his mind had finally processed and computed the info,

and then had gone into meltdown.


If you think my forum post has been a weird detour off the main road,

you should have seen that ambo track across that intersection.

lol.

Basic maritime rules,,vesels pass port to port. Sail has priority over powerboats, but power boats couldnt give a toss about kiters.

Gorgo said...

quikdrawMcgraw said..
Basic maritime rules,,vesels pass port to port. Sail has priority over powerboats, but power boats couldnt give a toss about kiters.

Yachts in general, and racing yachts in particular, couldn't give a toss about kites and windsurfers. Think about that next time you want to call starboard on anyone.

Whoa there gorgo. My life has been building and commissioning of yatchs and catamarans, and delivering them worldwide. I know there capabilities and limitations. Areas proper yatchs under sail and kiteboards frequent are totally different body's of water. A kiteboardeer assuming he has right of way over a sailboat has another thing coming, it wont end well. Keep that in mind when you gobb off

sir ROWDY said..
- Person on the wave has right of way.

In the interests of promoting windsurf / kitesurf harmony:

- Windsurfers do the complete opposite of this - the person heading out has right of way in waves.

This is because generally they've got less manoeuvrability whilst heading out.

Of course, it all helps if everyone (both windsurfer and kitesurfer) plays nicely and lets the person on the wave have a good run at it.

But just in case you're kiting at a wave spot and a windsurfer coming out gets in your way, please be aware that windsurfers follow different rules here and they think they're doing the right thing by holding their course. They're NOT trying to annoy you.

There's a decent possibility that they're trying quite hard not to get munched and possibly only marginally planing in the break and don't have as many options open to them as a kite would in the same situation.

Please give them a bit of room and everyone can carry on having a lovely old time.

FlickySpinny said..

sir ROWDY said..
- Person on the wave has right of way.

In the interests of promoting windsurf / kitesurf harmony:

- Windsurfers do the complete opposite of this - the person heading out has right of way in waves.

This is because generally they've got less manoeuvrability whilst heading out.

Depends where you windsurf I think. When I Windsurfed we used to give the guy on the wave right of way, obviously no-one is just going to run into you, it's just said like that so you don't purposefully go through the path of someone on a good wave .

^^^ roger

At a classic "proper" wave spot, the guy going out has right of way so he does not get munched.
BUT if he is up and planing well (ie: he has options) he should not use that right of way to hit the peak and get an optimal jump IF a guy is riding the wave and it will fk up the wave ride for the other guy.

IE: wave riding has preference, but the wave rider lets the guy heading out do what he needs to so he does not get fkd over and swim for 10mins...



Kiters need to be aware if a windsurfer is barely planing out in a good bigwave spot, the wind will drop in the break and he will bear away - just as they go DTL............ and it is expected the kiter on the wave will allow the windsurfer to go downwind a bit and the kiter may have to pause his bottom turn

FlickySpinny said..

But just in case you're kiting at a wave spot and a windsurfer coming out gets in your way, They're NOT trying to annoy you.

When I'm fanging down the line on a nice wave,

and you're chugging out thru the main peak at snail's pace,

(Instead of going around via the channel)

GTFO of my way. That's my rule.

Didn't you get my memo ?

lol.

The RULE we run by at our local is simple.
DONT RUN INTO EACH OTHER.
Works well, no one has ever ran into each other, so it seems to work.

When I see a poledancer hardly moving trying to get out in the surf, and Im powering down the line,
I slow down and stall for a bit,
Not to give way,
but to watch the set wave Im on smash them,,lol,,always looks funny, them just standing there(giggle), flapping their sail around furiously(giggle giggle) trying to get moving(giggle giggle giggle) as the lip lands on them.(laughing out of control)....funny stuff

So yes, I do give way to the old polers when they are heading out,
but more for the "funniest home videos" moment thats alway inevitable.

All in good fun polers.

This tread now requires your tin hat folks.

John340 said..
The ignorance and cavalier attitude to the basic rule of sailing safely in company shown by the majority of kiters in this posting is illuminating and reinforces my belief that kitesurfers should be segregated from other water craft. Your a danger to yourself and other sailors around you.

That's a bit rich coming from a windsurfer. You're the crew who blast along in a straight line as fast as you can, passing people on any side within inches, then crash after a lame gybe attempt.

Right of way rules? They only work in yacht races and in marked channels. Even then vessels of different speeds and capabilities adjust to make room for everybody else.

They only way row rules work in a free ride context is if you have sufficient space to signal your intentions and get set up to make a formal passing move. If you have that much space then you don't need rules. If you're so close that you need to rely on rules to avoid collision then you're too close. Ride somewhere else.