RAL INN said...
this is a simple question.

look at a Bandit from front on. it describes a C shape.

Sorry it does not, it is a wide span kite, like all bow derivatives, however the designers needed to name their 20% different kite design, and bingo, by the magic of naming and marketing its a deltaC!

RAL INN said...
Look at a Bandit in Plan view. It describes a single centre front point with LE sweeping back to rear points, and a very very straight TE.
Basically a triangle with two sides curved.

Triangles do not have complex curved sides Tony. The USAF Stealth Bomber has a delta wing design, the so called deltaC kites are bow derivative designs, but if you hold one at a certain angle, at sunset, it looks like an elephant.

There is no way any rational person can view the shape as delta, its all made up, just to be different. The TE is scalloped and concave curved, and overall, from tip to tip it is concave, but not a continuous curve like a bow, just different enough! :-)
However it works, there is always more than one way to skin a cat so they say!

RAL INN said...
pretty easy to see where the term Delta C comes from.

Yep, maketing101, and the rest it straight out of bias102

RAL INN said...
BOW kites have by bruno's definition a curving LE (convex) and a curving TE (concave)

look at that in plan view it looks like a Bow.

Correct delta kites look like bow derivatives.

RAL INN said...
The Bandit for one obtains a higher projected area simply because of the material missing on the tips; not due to any change in the "C" shape.

Its a wide span kite, pump up and fly a real 4 line C kite Tony and look at it from the front or rear, its nothing like the deltaC kites profile/shape is it?
The projected area is high on a delta C because it is a wide span kite, the swept back tips enhance the projected area.

Cya and

Goodwinds

McDeltaforceC

Saffer said...

It may not be that curved, but(steve is still full of*#it) it still has a curved trailing edge

now do the same pic of a Bow kite.

thanks for the info Steve. I now have a much better understanding of what these kites are about. I like the idea of the rear lines being connected directly to the back wing tip. That makes a lot of sense if you want a really responsive kite. They just need to get the bar pressure sorted out IMO.

I am happy with the performance of my current SB3's. But am always keeping an eye out for performance upgrades/innovations. It will be interesting to see if these so called "delta" shapes push kite design in there direction. My guess is the bow/hybid/ delta designs will continue to evolve, taking ideas from each other and heading in the same direction.

caseyguids said...
Not really bow shaped though IMO. Also check out www6.banditdos.com/?tdfs=0&searchbox=1&showDomain=1 looks pretty C to me too...

These are the second generation ones, they started calling the first generation ones Delta C.

Either way, even without a concave trailing edge, the qualify as SLE's. I.e. Supported Leading Edge.

bennie said...

thanks for the info Steve. I now have a much better understanding of what these kites are about. I like the idea of the rear lines being connected directly to the back wing tip. That makes a lot of sense if you want a really responsive kite. They just need to get the bar pressure sorted out IMO.

I am happy with the performance of my current SB3's. But am always keeping an eye out for performance upgrades/innovations. It will be interesting to see if these so called "delta" shapes push kite design in there direction. My guess is the bow/hybid/ delta designs will continue to evolve, taking ideas from each other and heading in the same direction.

There are plenty of bow style kites that also attach directly to the trailing edge and offer more direct steering. The EH is one of these, the Furia is another, both offer very fast turning speeds.

Hey, gf....

Which is the leading edge and which is the trailing edge

Saffer said...

It may not be that curved, but it still has a curved trailing edge

Most kites have some degree of scallop cut into the trailing edge. ^^^
This adds tension to the shape and helps to prevent flutter.

Carry on.

maxim said...

Not too sure Steve, when looking at the Bandit DOS lying flat, it kind of does look like a delta wing.. anyways, like you said I might even see an elephant in there somewhere too. I do agree that random names are given to new, changed or modified designs, but at the end of the day, lets not dispute the label attached, I think Benny was asking about the difference in general. Referring to them as Delta C shape is not following the hype, just calling them by the branded name given, but one thing is still clear as day, they are slightly different in design

I still love you..

C ya mate!

I loves youse too mate, its all good.
I'm not too fussed on the name, just wanted to poke the usual suspects and it worked noice! LOL's

Computer generated graphics can be made to show any shape, but the reality is that the so called delate kites all have curved and scalloped trailing edge shapes, like most kites out there.

The concept of the kite has been well explained, the usual slaggers are doing their usual thing, nothing new there, but I reckon they are deltoid lemmings.

Curved edge triangles, LOL's!!!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

McdeltaCforce

this is a delta kite.



C, Bow, sigma, Delta..... i'm backing a U kite to be the next big thing. it would really allow the gusts to slip thrugh and have the fastest turning ever.