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brady
brady
TAS
455 posts
TAS, 455 posts
3 Nov 2006 4:02pm
The article in the Australian was pure editorial.

Statements that people at a recent conference were advised... well, I've been at conferences at chatted about all sorts of ****e. It makes it seem more credible than it may be.

Any article quoting bjorn lomberg was written by someone incredibly lazy who has not been bothered to go back to the source for any of his claims. I think only one sentence in his book has not been disprove, and that is "written by Bjorn Lomborg", purely because no-one can imagine anyone trying to take credit for something so poorly researched unless they had actually written it.
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
3 Nov 2006 3:08pm
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The article you have linked to is written by somebody, who, like you, wants to sound like they are better informed than the majority of the worlds scientific community.


I never made that claim, nor did I state my beliefs about climate change so you are being presumptive. Bob Carter is part of the scientific community and the fact that his arguments don't agree exactly with what is assumed to be the mainstream scientific consensus does not make those arguments any less valid or deserving of scrutiny. If you bothered to read the entire article you would have seen his summary:

quote:
Meanwhile, the empirical data stressed by climate rationalists will ultimately prevail over the predictions of the unvalidated computer models. Perhaps then we will be able to attend to the real climate policy problem, which is to prepare response plans for extreme weather events, and for climate warmings as well as coolings, in the same way we prepare to cope with all other natural hazards


and this is the problem with global warmning alarmists - they will do more damage to our understanding of the climate and what impacts it by dismissing work that doesn't fit in with the latest scare campaign rather than attempting to reconcile it with what we already know and adjusting models of climate change accordingly, which is exactly Carters point.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
3 Nov 2006 3:18pm
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Originally posted by bondo

except I never actually said any of those things -

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But hey, you've read the weather makers and watched Big-Als movie, so I guess they are the final conclusive words on the topic.




Except I never said that I'd read the book or seen the movie, I said proof had been offered in them. I've read other articles (not yet any whole books) and seen a lot of documentaries about it and am not entirely uninformed, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. And I would disagree that I'm a typical global warming fanatic, what I'm trying to push here is that those people who insist on ignoring that there could be a problem reconsider and accept that there could be a problem. I accept that there may not be a problem too.

Perhaps a better way to put what I'm trying to get at is that since there is an argument that there is global warming, and there is an argument that it's a load of malarky, we should all consider both sides of the argument rather than ignore the inconvenient one. And if riding my bicycle to work has the added benefit of not burning expensive fuel and not producing carbon emissions as well as helping me shed kilograms then why not say it's good for the environment. Of course I alone can't make a difference doing this, but what if everyone who possibly could rode a bicycle to work? It might even make a difference, no matter how slight. It might just stop the temperature short of going over the seabreeze cancellation upper limit one day, and that day might just happen to be one of the best days kiting in someones life...
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
3 Nov 2006 3:25pm
So it's starting to sound like we're coming around to arguing the same point now. Be fully informed. Still, I'm going to keep riding my bicycle to work because I like it and fuel is so bloody expensive, as well as city parking. I've just learnt to do manuals this last couple of months too, disc brakes are so good.
sinker
sinker
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
3 Nov 2006 1:58pm

I like it GreenPat...



Noun 1. alarmist - a person who alarms others needlessly

Bondo,

OK, you let us know when you think we should be alarmed mate.
(Meanwhile they're wringing their doormats out on Kitibati.)



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