how to reduce barpressure sblade2 and xbow2?

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kavakiter
kavakiter
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8 Sep 2007 4:30pm
Hi, I'm wondering if anybody knows how to reduce the barpressure(getting sore elbow, tendonitis)on switchblade2 and xbow2 ???
Can you change the bridel lenght, shorten chickenloop??
Whoelse has developed sore elbows in particular with cabrinha bows???
I've been kiting for quite a while and before that windsurfed a lot but never had these elbow problemes before.Found some great advise for treatment of tendonitis on your forum but I'm very interested in any ideas re tuning for my bows.
Cheers and Bula
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
SA, 501 posts
8 Sep 2007 6:13pm
Hmm.. not really sure about this. I ride an SB2 as well and they are exceptionally light on the bar. I can't comment on the Xbow as I've never ridden one but it seems strange that your getting elbow soreness from an SB2. Maybe not the kite but something in your technique. (no offence)
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
8 Sep 2007 8:43pm
If the bar has a stopper maybe try using that more, it'll require more skill with the board though.
Your able to basically relax the entire upper body, arms included.
Buzz
Buzz
NSW
319 posts
NSW, 319 posts
8 Sep 2007 10:08pm
The SB2 has minimal bar pressure ...
sink cut
sink cut
NSW
105 posts
NSW, 105 posts
8 Sep 2007 11:16pm
I had to mod my xbow 1 for bar pressure, but my xbow2s have very little bar pressure, however, you have to pull like a bastard to turn them, espescially the 12. I don't think you can do anything about force required to turn them apart from using a smaller kite
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
QLD, 1245 posts
9 Sep 2007 3:56am
SB2 bar pressure is exceptionally light, probably more so then any other kite on the market. Man I have RSI, and I can totally sympathize for you. The best advice is to have a big break, I know its hard, but your arm needs rest dude.
dustin
dustin
QLD
448 posts
QLD, 448 posts
9 Sep 2007 9:21am
buy a C kite
NSW, 4382 posts
9 Sep 2007 12:10pm
The SB2 bar pressure could not give you tendonitis unless you have just done zillions of hours on the water, and dehydrated as well, with a bad posture/stance, overpowred riding poo stance, did not trim the centre lines?

So drink plenty of water if kiting for long periods
Trim the centre lines so you riding position is more comfortable and your arms are not outstretched.
Don't ride overpowered, get a smaller kite.

If its a 16M CB2 (maybe 12M too if you are small/short), get a 60cm bar and fit all the Cab stuff to it, observe all the above as well.

But if you have tendonitis, the only cure is rest, sorry!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
Buzz
Buzz
NSW
319 posts
NSW, 319 posts
9 Sep 2007 8:35pm
They didn't make a 16 CB2 did they Steve ?... it was replace by the Contra 14 and 17 I thought...
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
9 Sep 2007 8:20pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

The SB2 bar pressure could not give you tendonitis unless you have just done zillions of hours on the water, and dehydrated as well, with a bad posture/stance, overpowred riding poo stance, did not trim the centre lines?

So drink plenty of water if kiting for long periods
Trim the centre lines so you riding position is more comfortable and your arms are not outstretched.
Don't ride overpowered, get a smaller kite.

If its a 16M CB2 (maybe 12M too if you are small/short), get a 60cm bar and fit all the Cab stuff to it, observe all the above as well.

But if you have tendonitis, the only cure is rest, sorry!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve



Umm I'm not exactly an expert but if he has previously injured his elbow or has a demanding job he could quite easily suffer tendonitis without having to do zillions of hours on the water.

Also call me an idiot but wouldn't riding more powered up be less strenous on your arms. You don't have to sheet all the way in and the kite requires a lot less imput.

The pain is more likely to be coming from keeping the bar real close than from having outstretched arms so trimming as you suggested isn't really going to help. He wants to shorten his chicken loop length so less effort is required on pulling the bar in.

My suggestions is rest unfortunately or tune your bar so that you can ride with the bar further out and still have the same power. You will have to use more board skills though.
simonsays
simonsays
WA
63 posts
WA, 63 posts
10 Sep 2007 10:24am


"Umm I'm not exactly an expert"

You right, you're not!!
NSW, 4382 posts
10 Sep 2007 2:28pm
Yeah Buzz you are right, there was no CB2 16M! Thanks for reminding me!

Spacemonkey, its fairly obvious he has the tendonitis from kiting.
It is coming from too much and poor trimming or riding overpowered beyond the trim range of the kite.
Arms too far in or out will do it.

Do you even ride bows? What brand/model?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
sneakybutche
sneakybutche
VIC
73 posts
VIC, 73 posts
10 Sep 2007 2:36pm
Try wearing a harness! It takes a lot of pressure off your arms.
kavakiter
kavakiter
5 posts
5 posts
11 Sep 2007 7:38pm
Hi spacemonkey.
It all started actually on a 12 xbow1. Got then the 12 sb2 and kited in underpowered conditions cause I was keen to have a go...big mistake.
So it got worse, obviously and had to rest (6 weeks and tradewinds are blowing here). Got then out again in 15-20 knts, having 12m Xbow2 well powered up, trimmed that the arms were long and not bended which was quite good.And I'm trying to kite as relaxed as possible with proper position. Trying now to trimm my backlines on the kite.will not shorten the chickenloop yet.
Any other ideas??
Also coming over to Perth end of november and got time for kiting for 3 days nearby. Any spots? Possibly with physio or so on the beach for treatment before and after kiting?
Cheers
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

The SB2 bar pressure could not give you tendonitis unless you have just done zillions of hours on the water, and dehydrated as well, with a bad posture/stance, overpowred riding poo stance, did not trim the centre lines?

So drink plenty of water if kiting for long periods
Trim the centre lines so you riding position is more comfortable and your arms are not outstretched.
Don't ride overpowered, get a smaller kite.

If its a 16M CB2 (maybe 12M too if you are small/short), get a 60cm bar and fit all the Cab stuff to it, observe all the above as well.

But if you have tendonitis, the only cure is rest, sorry!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve



Umm I'm not exactly an expert but if he has previously injured his elbow or has a demanding job he could quite easily suffer tendonitis without having to do zillions of hours on the water.

Also call me an idiot but wouldn't riding more powered up be less strenous on your arms. You don't have to sheet all the way in and the kite requires a lot less imput.

The pain is more likely to be coming from keeping the bar real close than from having outstretched arms so trimming as you suggested isn't really going to help. He wants to shorten his chicken loop length so less effort is required on pulling the bar in.

My suggestions is rest unfortunately or tune your bar so that you can ride with the bar further out and still have the same power. You will have to use more board skills though.

Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
11 Sep 2007 9:29pm
Well while I'm not an expert I would know more than your average person *Steve* considering its what I do at uni. Seems I was right came from riding underpowered and having to move the kite heaps. As for what kites I ride Steve I ride EH Ripper's and Beast's, both bow kites.

As for the comment about work or injury causing tendonitis, just putting it down to one thing (kiteboarding) is a closed minded approach. I was saying he could have had the above and kiteboarding aggravates it that is all.

As for spots in perth there is plenty and the breezes should be well into it by then, check the WAKSA website for details. Has a write up on most the spots on there.

As for more advice on your problem Kavakiter, shorten your side lines a little either at pigtail on the bar or at the pigtails at the kite (I'm not familiar with the exact cabrihna setup). If it's heaps windy and you don't think you will need the bottom end then leave it normal when you set up.

Also some non-steroidal anti inflamitories work ok, but don't take 'em for more than 2 weeks at a time. Just use when its really swollen, could also try icing after a session if you can be bothered.
15 minutes on, one hour off is the recomended.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
11 Sep 2007 9:05pm
Have to agree with spacemonkey for once here. good work.
simonsays
simonsays
WA
63 posts
WA, 63 posts
12 Sep 2007 3:53pm
Yes, I have to agree too, because he is and going to Uni... Next time I will have to ask Dr. Spacemonkey for medical advice as it seems to be free... because thats what he does..
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
12 Sep 2007 7:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by simonsays

Yes, I have to agree too, because he is and going to Uni... Next time I will have to ask Dr. Spacemonkey for medical advice as it seems to be free... because thats what he does..



So your having a go at me for helping someone out. Please if I have said anything wrong correct me. Main reason I posted was because the advice Steve gave was so bad. I never claimed to be a Dr., In fact my first statement said I'm not an expert. Just helping out, doesn't matter if I go to uni, does it?
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
12 Sep 2007 8:53pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!




. Main reason I posted was because the advice Steve gave was so bad.


steve never gives bad advice. he is always right. don't even think about correcting him
sillsymark
sillsymark
VIC
63 posts
VIC, 63 posts
12 Sep 2007 11:16pm
My 12m SwitchBlade 2 is pretty heavy (especially in under/over powered conditions). Compared to the switchblade 1 its bloody fantastic...! THAT WAS HEAVY....

Anyway if you havn't got it already - Get the wider Bar. Makes a difference especially when your pumping the thing in light wind. (Or get an 8 or 10) My 10 with the 55cm Bar is light as a feather. The Plastic On the main centre line can get really sticky too which sucks. I'm gonna wax mine and see if its better.
NSW, 4382 posts
13 Sep 2007 11:36am
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

quote:
Originally posted by simonsays

Yes, I have to agree too, because he is and going to Uni... Next time I will have to ask Dr. Spacemonkey for medical advice as it seems to be free... because thats what he does..



So your having a go at me for helping someone out. Please if I have said anything wrong correct me. Main reason I posted was because the advice Steve gave was so bad. I never claimed to be a Dr., In fact my first statement said I'm not an expert. Just helping out, doesn't matter if I go to uni, does it?



Like Stamp says, I'm rarely wong and when I am I admit it like I did with Buzz and the reference I made to 16M CB2, for example.

There is nothing I said in my initial reply to kavakiter that was grossly incorrect, that warranted the fairly severe tone of your response to ("steve" ), in my opinion, and it seems there are others that agree.

I did not make a fuss about it, and reply to you, in this thread, because I wanted Kavakiter to get the info he needed and not the typical "play the man slagfest" that tends to happen on this forum.

Perhaps you could lighten up a little, focus less on me, and re-read what I wrote?
The SB2 is renowned for light bar pressure, as many other SB2 users here will attest. It was all about incorrect trimming and overdoing it in light winds and any kite could have caused the tendonitis in that regard.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
13 Sep 2007 9:49am
About tendinitis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendinitis

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Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
13 Sep 2007 6:24pm
Your obsessed Steve, this post isn't even about you. I just gave some helpful advice, at no point did I slag anyone. Your the one obsessed with bickering, asking what kites I ride, trying to make me sound like the bad guy. The only reason you posted because it was about Cabrihna's and everyone on the forum knows it. I'm not even talking about kites, sticking to the topic about the guys injury.

Which you told him to buy a smaller kite
-Wrong because that means you have to sheet in and work it more with your elbows flexed, hence aggravating the problem.

Told him it was about his riding posture
Poo stance is elbows out, his problem is elbows in.

Told him that it was because he was riding overpowered and he should sheet in more
It's because he is riding underpowered with the bar in too far, he should sheet out more.

Obsessed, can't even be reasonable. "Maybe you should take your own advice and Perhaps you could lighten up a little, focus less on me, and re-read what I wrote?"

P.S Kavakiter was thankful for my advice and have furthered talked about it through PM's. Just because you think I pick on all your posts doesn't mean thats all I do, take a break from the keyboard.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
13 Sep 2007 5:01pm
I think spaceboy has a point......
NSW, 4382 posts
13 Sep 2007 7:38pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Your obsessed Steve, this post isn't even about you. I just gave some helpful advice, at no point did I slag anyone. Your the one obsessed with bickering, asking what kites I ride, trying to make me sound like the bad guy. The only reason you posted because it was about Cabrihna's and everyone on the forum knows it. I'm not even talking about kites, sticking to the topic about the guys injury.

Which you told him to buy a smaller kite
-Wrong because that means you have to sheet in and work it more with your elbows flexed, hence aggravating the problem.

Told him it was about his riding posture
Poo stance is elbows out, his problem is elbows in.

Told him that it was because he was riding overpowered and he should sheet in more
It's because he is riding underpowered with the bar in too far, he should sheet out more.

Obsessed, can't even be reasonable. "Maybe you should take your own advice and Perhaps you could lighten up a little, focus less on me, and re-read what I wrote?"

P.S Kavakiter was thankful for my advice and have furthered talked about it through PM's. Just because you think I pick on all your posts doesn't mean thats all I do, take a break from the keyboard.



Like I said, pretty angry replies from you at me Spaceboy, well beyond reasonable IMO. I reckon you do an admirable job of portraying yourself on this forum, you need no help from me.

I did not tell Kavakiter he had to buy a smaller kite, I gave general advice that if he was riding overpowered all the time, then do the obvious, get a smaller kite.

You are correct in that I posted because of my knowledge about Cabrinha kites, and a desire to help the guy (like you, so lighten up)

My reference to bad posture, was directly referring to elbows bent riding underpowered, sorry now that I did not make that clear enough for both of you.

I did not tell him to sheet in more I told him to trim his front lines and correct his posture.

Perhaps, in future you should as as my personal moderator and approve of any posts I make to help other kiters?

Move on mate. You are the one using bold text and accusing me of negative and harmfully or offensively incorrect advice.
Good examples of obsessive behaviour are easy to find on this forum for sure!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
13 Sep 2007 9:09pm
quote:
I reckon you do an admirable job of portraying yourself on this forum, you need no help from me.

LOL...pot n kettle eh???
Where on earth have you been these few weeks stevie.
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
13 Sep 2007 9:32pm
I have just come to the conclusion after reading and laughing at the beachy (that’s pronounced with an American accent) comments that I am indeed a tragic seabreeze forum user.

Wonder how many more posts till I become an egomaniac though... must be over the 1000? eh

(yes I realize the irony of my post)

....

I find with my bigger kites that I have used that in light wind I always end up with shoulder/neck pain issues the next day - more bar pressure with a bigger kite I guess and the extra work of having to keep the kite moving - so spacemonkey wins this round but stay tuned as next week......
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
13 Sep 2007 11:05pm
Haha I don't even need to start with your post Steve, you stich me up. I'll be the mature one and walk away, make sure you get the last say though .

It's a conspiracy, I'm out to get ya!
Make sure you PM Laurie about my offensive bold text, if you haven't already. I may be a dick some of the time, but I don't represent a business and I'm still a teenager.


quote:
You are the one using bold text


poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
13 Sep 2007 9:35pm
matter what size kite i use, how strong or light the wind after 3 hours i hurt all over
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
13 Sep 2007 11:35pm
Hey Steve maybe I been a little harsh, this one goes out to you.

Sung to the tune of "Evie" by Stevie Wright

I got some money in my pocket,
I got some cabrihnas in my van.
I got myself a couple of buyers,
to take them out of my hand.

Oh little girl let's get on seabreeze
We're gonna pimp some brand
C'mon girl you know there ain't no time
To mess around

Stevie, Stevie, Stevie put your keyboard down
Stevie, Stevie, Stevie put your keyboard down
Stevie, Stevie, Stevie put your keyboard down
Stevie, Stevie put your keyboard down


Any chance I could fil that job vacancy in your shop xoxo.

Spacemonkey
iti
iti
QLD
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iti iti
QLD, 417 posts
14 Sep 2007 12:05am
He he goes again all four foot two of him
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