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Mask
Mask
WA
293 posts
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9 Aug 2012 6:57am
beefarmer said...

So shark numbers are up.




Yes, GWS numbers are probably to far up which will probably be just as negative on the ecosystem.

Who said numbers were down in the first instance?. Who counted them?
Bluetack
Bluetack
QLD
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QLD, 1 posts
9 Aug 2012 11:26am
Mask said...

lostinlondon said...
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Errr, wild pigs are an introduced species in Australia and as such should be culled. You can't justify killing sharks on this basis. Non argument.




Err, So are poms and europeans. Should they be culled as well?




No need to cull poms and europeans, thats what the sharks are for.
Silence
Silence
NSW
123 posts
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9 Aug 2012 11:58am
Longers said...

Don't get too comfy in Botany Bay Silence - talk to some of the sail boarders whose runs go out towards the runways - and the divers at la Perouse - there are some big sharks in Botany bay. Like most places around our coast - they are always there - it's just rare for them to feed on us - cause we're not their natural prey.

The other thing to keep in mind re seeing fins and carrying weapons etc - these bad boys are predators. They have evolved to use stealth and surprise as their modus operandi - if you see one you're safe. If one's gonna eat you - then you won't know a thing about it till it's taken its first bite!

I kite off Perth's beaches and often go 1km or so off shore. They scare the hell out of me but what can you do. You stay out of the water if you don't want to risk it - but if you choose to go in you gotta know that it's always possible. It would be a grusome way to go - but hey, you have to balance the risk and the reward.


lalalalalalalal I don't wanna hear thaaaaat! my mind was safe by telling itself that there weren't any in botany! don't crush my world! :O



no but seriously, I know that there's always a possibility they are relatively close in ANY area... but I seriously force myself thinking of anything else (mainly of Scarlett Johansson) to cope with that..
but at least I'm in nsw... in NT, withthe crocs I wouldn't even dare to swim in a private pool xD (sharks I can cope with using positive thinking, crocs are a whole other level of scary)
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
11 Aug 2012 12:35am
There is a small villiage in Africa on the edge of a game reserve that is setup to aid conservation of the local wildlife. Over the time period of a couple years, there were over 20 locals mauled by a single lion in particular, that had developed an acquired taste for them, it was finally killed by a local, who watched his wife and I think 2 kids get killed, and his wife eaten down to her hip line, the lion left, he laced her remaining corpse with poison, the same lion came back and was killed by the poison the next day..... My point is, if there is one individual out there killing "us" something should be done about it, if a few die so a few can live, what's the big deal ? They have no natural preditors, and we don't hunt them because they are endangered?
Mask
Mask
WA
293 posts
WA, 293 posts
11 Aug 2012 8:52am
dachopper said...

There is a small villiage in Africa on the edge of a game reserve that is setup to aid conservation of the local wildlife. Over the time period of a couple years, there were over 20 locals mauled by a single lion in particular, that had developed an acquired taste for them, it was finally killed by a local, who watched his wife and I think 2 kids get killed, and his wife eaten down to her hip line, the lion left, he laced her remaining corpse with poison, the same lion came back and was killed by the poison the next day..... My point is, if there is one individual out there killing "us" something should be done about it, if a few die so a few can live, what's the big deal ? They have no natural preditors, and we don't hunt them because they are endangered?


The reason nothing is done is because most of us are "politically correct" sheep, towing the line, who cannot see a problem (and a solution) staring us in the face.

The problem is going to come back and bite us in the ass. Literally.

Wait and see. (which seems to be our current approach of management)

Baaa

(BTW killer whales hunt and kill GWs. Pity we dont have a few more of those around WA)


pumpnjump
pumpnjump
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
11 Aug 2012 11:09pm
We are reaping the benefit of protection. It is not natural for the GWS not to be hunted, man has hunted them as long as we have existed, we are now at a stage that all those protected GWS babies have matured and are hungry. Its only going to get worse.
wldistel
wldistel
QLD
91 posts
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12 Aug 2012 3:18am
ya kill more sharks!! there only on the brink of extension because we slaughter them in the thousands every year. But you go ahead take your revenge on an animal that only kills for food. Go ahead kill it for revenge!! Where the f'ing blood thirsty animals here!! Yes we may very well have to kill this shark to save another tragic death but have the intelligence to understand thats its a horrible thing to have to do!! Its an innocent creature that has no hate for humans. The species was around long before we took our first steps. And morons like some of you lot show just how fu'd up evolution can be!

Sorry to the many decent people on this forum, i definitely don't mean you.

And one more thing, read a f'ing book once and awhile Mask and Pumpnjump, you show your ignorance with every post.


PS sharks scare the **** out of me. But I am meant to be scared, the sea is there domain, they are apex predators after all.

It will not make me a better man to kill them in cold blood. Im a better man because i wouldn't.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
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12 Aug 2012 2:02am
Do you ever eat fish wldistel?
Mask
Mask
WA
293 posts
WA, 293 posts
12 Aug 2012 8:19am
Looks like were not even safe in boats anymore!. Poor little innocent creature!

www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/shark-attacks-fishing-boat-ng-728553cc9cc2f60915ad3bfcdbb616fc
ScarbsSUP
ScarbsSUP
WA
354 posts
WA, 354 posts
12 Aug 2012 11:24am
Hi Peeps,

So much fear and hysteria when we are talking about shark attacks and great whites, that it's easy to get carried away and emotional. I'm no greeny wanting to give sharks a big hug, but I also don't think that we should be hunting down and killing sharks indiscriminately.

Sharks live in the ocean, this is a fact and it isn't going to change. If you choose to go in the ocean, then you raise the probability of getting bitten. If the thought of getting bitten and dying freaks you out too much, simply don't go in the ocean. Your chances of being eaten by a shark on the land are pretty remote.

If "the" shark responsible for a death is immediately spotted in the vicinity, then maybe that one should be culled, but only if it is proven to be the one responsible. I am going on the prospect of perhaps one shark being responsible for more than one of these attacks and developing a pattern of behaviour.

Killing lots of sharks wont stop the problem and isn't cool. I believe in Karma. I surf, SUP, Kite, swim, sail and freedive spearfish in the ocean with the sharks, and often see them, but we share the ocean with them and they are graceful in the water and an important part of the marine ecosystem, and I don't want to see them harmed, nor would I want retribution on the shark if I happen to end up a victim.

Live and let live, if you can't handle the risk, stay out of the water until December where your chances of an interaction with a GW is greatly reduced .... but not eliminated. There is ALWAYS a risk. Accept it, or move on.

DM
hilly
hilly
WA
8131 posts
WA, 8131 posts
12 Aug 2012 11:36am
ScarbsSUP said...

Hi Peeps,

So much fear and hysteria when we are talking about shark attacks and great whites, that it's easy to get carried away and emotional. I'm no greeny wanting to give sharks a big hug, but I also don't think that we should be hunting down and killing sharks indiscriminately.

Sharks live in the ocean, this is a fact and it isn't going to change. If you choose to go in the ocean, then you raise the probability of getting bitten. If the thought of getting bitten and dying freaks you out too much, simply don't go in the ocean. Your chances of being eaten by a shark on the land are pretty remote.

If "the" shark responsible for a death is immediately spotted in the vicinity, then maybe that one should be culled, but only if it is proven to be the one responsible. I am going on the prospect of perhaps one shark being responsible for more than one of these attacks and developing a pattern of behaviour.

Killing lots of sharks wont stop the problem and isn't cool. I believe in Karma. I surf, SUP, Kite, swim, sail and freedive spearfish in the ocean with the sharks, and often see them, but we share the ocean with them and they are graceful in the water and an important part of the marine ecosystem, and I don't want to see them harmed, nor would I want retribution on the shark if I happen to end up a victim.

Live and let live, if you can't handle the risk, stay out of the water until December where your chances of an interaction with a GW is greatly reduced .... but not eliminated. There is ALWAYS a risk. Accept it, or move on.

DM


+1 Darren very well put.
wldistel
wldistel
QLD
91 posts
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12 Aug 2012 2:59pm
tightlines said...

Do you ever eat fish wldistel?


Yep love it! Even eat shark. Do you think that makes me a hypocrite tightlines? "I may be" I don't disagree with killing for food, I'm no vegetarian. I do believe that we need to respect our environment by limiting our destructive activities, also managing our natural resources wisely. I also think that we are in there world when where on a board and to kill a shark because it's too large! sort of taints the experience.

Tightlines, do you think this shark should be killed or not and should we cull all large shark?

PS I am surprised by the red thumbs, didn't think I would be part of the minority but hay maybe I'm more greeny than I realised!!

And yes Hilly “Darren very well put.”, wish I could have put it that way as well. Probably shouldn't post on a Saturday night when I get home from a big night!


PPS sorry for the outburst
Mask
Mask
WA
293 posts
WA, 293 posts
12 Aug 2012 11:11pm
ScarbsSUP said...

Hi Peeps,

So much fear and hysteria when we are talking about shark attacks and great whites, that it's easy to get carried away and emotional. I'm no greeny wanting to give sharks a big hug, but I also don't think that we should be hunting down and killing sharks indiscriminately.

Sharks live in the ocean, this is a fact and it isn't going to change. If you choose to go in the ocean, then you raise the probability of getting bitten. If the thought of getting bitten and dying freaks you out too much, simply don't go in the ocean. Your chances of being eaten by a shark on the land are pretty remote.

If "the" shark responsible for a death is immediately spotted in the vicinity, then maybe that one should be culled, but only if it is proven to be the one responsible. I am going on the prospect of perhaps one shark being responsible for more than one of these attacks and developing a pattern of behaviour.

Killing lots of sharks wont stop the problem and isn't cool. I believe in Karma. I surf, SUP, Kite, swim, sail and freedive spearfish in the ocean with the sharks, and often see them, but we share the ocean with them and they are graceful in the water and an important part of the marine ecosystem, and I don't want to see them harmed, nor would I want retribution on the shark if I happen to end up a victim.

Live and let live, if you can't handle the risk, stay out of the water until December where your chances of an interaction with a GW is greatly reduced .... but not eliminated. There is ALWAYS a risk. Accept it, or move on.

DM


So, if you were spearfishing and you had the misfortune of being attacked by A GW, would you defend yourself or just let nature take its cause for fear of injuring or, god forbid, killing the shark?

I also was under the impression that spearfishing was also kind of harmful to marine animals. Dont the fish that you shoot actually die as well? So, somehow its OK for you to kill or maim marine animals yet others should not.?

Also, as Ive said before, no one is suggesting that we kill hundreds of sharks.
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
13 Aug 2012 7:32am


I heard some rumors of some whales in the area already would explain the presence of all the big grey suits ;| its normally September that the whales are off the Perth coast ?



The humpback northerly migration is June July, there might be a few stragglers, but the main herd is up north now, they head back south September to November roughly. But yes, the gws follow them for sure.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
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WA, 3271 posts
13 Aug 2012 9:24am
Mask said...

I also was under the impression that spearfishing was also kind of harmful to marine animals. Dont the fish that you shoot actually die as well? So, somehow its OK for you to kill or maim marine animals yet others should not.?



Unless you are a vegetarian on ethical grounds this arguement isn't valid. Killing an animal for food whether it be a cow, chicken or mackeral is a bit different to killing a large shark because you are scared of it and want to feel better about swimming in the ocean.

If you are a vegetarian, then great. Right up until you start killing GWS that is...
Mask
Mask
WA
293 posts
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13 Aug 2012 10:05am
Chris6791 said...

Mask said...

I also was under the impression that spearfishing was also kind of harmful to marine animals. Dont the fish that you shoot actually die as well? So, somehow its OK for you to kill or maim marine animals yet others should not.?



Unless you are a vegetarian on ethical grounds this arguement isn't valid. Killing an animal for food whether it be a cow, chicken or mackeral is a bit different to killing a large shark because you are scared of it and want to feel better about swimming in the ocean.

If you are a vegetarian, then great. Right up until you start killing GWS that is...



So if we eat them afterwards, thats OK?.
No worries.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
13 Aug 2012 10:19am
Mask said...

Chris6791 said...

Mask said...

I also was under the impression that spearfishing was also kind of harmful to marine animals. Dont the fish that you shoot actually die as well? So, somehow its OK for you to kill or maim marine animals yet others should not.?



Unless you are a vegetarian on ethical grounds this arguement isn't valid. Killing an animal for food whether it be a cow, chicken or mackeral is a bit different to killing a large shark because you are scared of it and want to feel better about swimming in the ocean.

If you are a vegetarian, then great. Right up until you start killing GWS that is...



So if we eat them afterwards, thats OK?.
No worries.


I think so yeh.
I'm not the biggest fan of eating fish because most of them aren't breed for the purpose of being killed and eaten.
Buuut at least the fish isn't wasted.
Killing a large, old great white, for no other reason apart from it could maybe one day possibly but most probably not eat someone, is sad and very wasteful.


doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
13 Aug 2012 1:06pm
I went for a surf down at Brighton beach on Saturday morning.

We wonder why the sharks come in close.

We counted 17 boats all chumming up with oil slicks out from where we were.

You could smell the fishy smell from where we were, imagine what the sharks are thinking!!
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
13 Aug 2012 1:06pm
Mask said...

Chris6791 said...

Mask said...

I also was under the impression that spearfishing was also kind of harmful to marine animals. Dont the fish that you shoot actually die as well? So, somehow its OK for you to kill or maim marine animals yet others should not.?



Unless you are a vegetarian on ethical grounds this arguement isn't valid. Killing an animal for food whether it be a cow, chicken or mackeral is a bit different to killing a large shark because you are scared of it and want to feel better about swimming in the ocean.

If you are a vegetarian, then great. Right up until you start killing GWS that is...



So if we eat them afterwards, thats OK?.
No worries.


For sure, but you are probably more at risk of being killed by a GWS by chowing down on big freezer full of it's meat than a live one attacking you in the ocean, mmm high levels of methylmercury really add to the flavour.

You are trying to drive your arguement in this thread based on fear and your only solution is the indiscriminate killing of any large shark if they come within striking distance of the coast. You are only in the water for recreational purposes, if it's so scary to go back in the water, take up another sport.
pueter66
pueter66
QLD
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13 Aug 2012 3:59pm



Hello my lovely
Abesy
Abesy
WA
266 posts
WA, 266 posts
13 Aug 2012 2:09pm
The problem with this argument is all the uneducated idiots that think they have a clue to what's going on. And for this reason the debate is only going to turn out as successful as our boat people solution!
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