Any significant improvement suggests it wasn't a very good kite and or bar to begin with. Perhaps when Ozone designs a kite that has all its forces equally balanced on just its wing tips without the need of a bridle -- then that to me would be 'significant'.

I heard it was the other way, 2010 had more bottom end than 2011?
those toggles on the 2010 bar sucked though, kept slipping.

^^^ Why so narky about this? Not long ago you were riding kites with much more bridling than the C4s, some of which even had pulleys.

It amazes me how certain about this kite are some of the people who've not actually ridden it. I trust the discerning reader will sort the reviews from the speculations.

Cool, so long as there's some humour in the mix I'm happy. I also note, and again, happily so, that others have been pretty respectful of your wishes to stick to nominated kites in your parallel C kite thread; a bit of restraint and focus is a good thing.

For me, a pulleyless, short, maintenance-free, non-tangling bridle that adds wind range and relaunch ability without reducing directness and feel is well worth having. And as eeezeee said, for the gusty frontal and northerly stuff, it's just that bit more peace of mind/buffer when you might otherwise be getting tea-bagged.

Just because AKSonline has published an opinion or a biased review on a product doesn't make it decree -- especially when it regards wind range, which (I agree) is highly subjective as there are so many variables that need to be taken into consideration. But, for the benefit of most, just because you have a bridled kite, which has loads of depower, it still doesn't mean you can safely take a 12m kite out in 25+ knots! Just visit Altona on a windy S.E, your bound to see a kite wrapped around a light post, or casted over some power lines.

Well maybe your in the wrong thread then, go pimp your negativity elsewhere. What AKS has written is spot on lots riders here mostly ride bandits and wainmans, they jump on my c4 and they cant use is because theyre kite flying skills are dialled into grunt machines that require little to no input to fly them, most sessions when people are out on grunty 10's i am on a C4 8mtr and have no problems, i weigh no more or less than them, and use a smaller board then the majority.
I dont any probs with wainman or fone i still like jumping on my mates bandits and wainman all the time, good fun....i think they are all great kites, but the C4 will handle any conditions, riding style, provided you know how to fly it. quality and simplicity of use is unsurpassed.
i honestly think u dont have a clue what your talking about, probably have never ridden a C4, i really wanna know why u even clicked on the thread, if u had no intention of giving any useful advice/information/review???
And im asking my self why i even signed up to seabreeze to listen to a bunch of kooks bagging stuff they know nothing about, or pimping totally of topic.
Sounds like there is a lot of cabrinhas in altona or alot of kooks

iRideWainman said...

Just because AKSonline has published an opinion or a biased review on a product doesn't make it decree -- especially when it regards wind range, which (I agree) is highly subjective as there are so many variables that need to be taken into consideration. But, for the benefit of most, just because you have a bridled kite, which has loads of depower, it still doesn't mean you can safely take a 12m kite out in 25+ knots! Just visit Altona on a windy S.E, your bound to see a kite wrapped around a light post, or casted over some power lines.