Waroo 9m Review

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addiction
addiction
WA
69 posts
WA, 69 posts
11 Jan 2006 2:19pm
I got a proto 9m Waroo out on the water yesterday for a few hours after waiting for ever for them to turn up. The wind was strong a steady 25k gusting to 30k have a look at yesterdays Seabreeze wind graph for WA Garden Island. I have also posted the graph in the photo’s area of Seabreeze. I was out from around 3:30 until around 5:00 or so.
At the south side of Woody’s point the conditions are side onshore and on this day a waist to shoulder high choppy swell.
I was on my 133x39 Edge and I weigh in at 105kg.

Build Quality:
As a Yarga owner I was not really concerned with this as I know from experience that Bests quality is good. I did however give it the once over anyway as you do with a new kite and noticed a few nice touches.
The bridle is neat and tidy with not too many pig tail ends flapping about and all were trimmed close to avoid catching.
The leading edge has a nice size dump valve and all inflation valves have ball type stoppers that seal nicely on inflation and release easily for deflation.
Stitching and cloth etc as expected.

Bridle:
As this was my first try on a flat kite I was concerned with the spaghetti, however it was easy, neat and friendly to set up. The Waroo front lines set up with a small pulley on the bridle fitted to this is a short pig tail with no adjustment options, nice and easy all the trim is done from the rear lines. The rear lines are also set up with a small split bridle, however no pulley.
Here there are 2 trim options the first is the standard sheeting trim more or less back line and the second is and option to change the turning characteristics from a high aspect to low aspect feel, I left this on the middle option for now.

Bar:
The Waroo bar has no pulleys on it and is the pretty much the same as any standard bar with the only real difference being the longer throw on the chicken loop. The power adjuster is an extended version of a standard trim strap with a swivel attached to it. I wasn’t impressed with the strap and found it fiddly and a bit cumbersome even though worked well enough.
There was no stopper on the set up at all and I understand that there won’t be, this is fine by me as it don’t ride against a stop anyway and bar pressure is light, lighter than my 9m Yarga. The bar is also shaped instead of just being round and does feel comfortable.

Depower:
I had to adjust the way the kite came setup out of the bag, to get more back line tension on it but this instruction was given and the kite is a proto, so no big deal.
Like flat kites are supposed to do the power goes from full to virtually nothing through the range of the chicken loop, what did surprise me was that this range is only about 50cm and I could easily reach the bar even when fully released, mind you I am 6’3”.
Another very surprising thing was after reading various reviews and stuff on flat kites was the fact that the kite did not fall out of the sky when the bar was released but remained hovering gently (remember 25k gusting to 30k) before slowly drifting of to one side and down, giving you more than enough time to grab the bar before the kite was down.

Speed:
Very nice, fast about the same speed as a same size C kite.

Power:
This was another area of concern for me, being heavy I have found that thin leading edge, shallow foil kites just don’t have the punch you need to get you out the water. I found that the Waroo has some serious power in high wind but I will reserve my judgment until I can give it a go in underpowered conditions.

Boost and Hang:
I have also read many reports on flat kites stating that they difficult to boost or that it takes a while to get your timing right. I found none of this, after about 10 minutes of getting a feel for the kite I lined up a nice bit of swell and sent it, this boost was by far the highest I have ever been high enough and with enough hang for my entire life to flash before my eyes in slow motion, and let me tell you I am not a young pup.
After this I took it easy but I didn’t find that the kite all that dissimilar to a C kite at all apart from the depower.

Overall:
I liked it a lot. I have only ever flown "C shape" kites, but I have been waiting to try a flat kite for what seams like forever.
All said and done here is the one line in a review that really matters
Would I part with my own hard earned cash and actually buy one ?
The answer to this is yes and I did.

Cheers
Pete
bolgo
bolgo
WA
912 posts
WA, 912 posts
11 Jan 2006 9:54pm
nice work

any launching landing issues?

where did demo come from or did u order thru net

my understanding not shipping as yet

fyi shannon best apparently going to kite stock and will have a load of demo gear
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1419 posts
WA, 1419 posts
12 Jan 2006 9:01am
Great to hear you had a good time with you're new kite, the wind speeds you quoted are a little high though as there is at least 5Knts less wind at Woodies compares to Garden Island. Monday was far windier but still not 30Knts. My wind meter said 18-22 on Tuesday.
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
12 Jan 2006 9:44am
Hey Bolgo, The demo's mine, we received it on monday... Production model have not shipped yet, very very soon though... Yes Shannon is making the trip up to "kite stock" with us and we'll have heaps of gear to try out, the sliders comming also... We'll most likely hit the local spot while he's here too.

Westoz wind, when your standing in the carpark at ground level, the wind speed is 30% less than what it is up at kite level, it was more like 22 gusting 28 knots...

regards
addiction
addiction
WA
69 posts
WA, 69 posts
12 Jan 2006 12:54pm
No landing and launching issues but both were assisted for the first flight.
I didn't put the kite in the water at all so I'll have to test that out later.
bolgo
bolgo
WA
912 posts
WA, 912 posts
12 Jan 2006 4:45pm
hey kiterpilot
u some 1 else we all no and luv?? watz ur favorite color?

what a demo for us plebs, probably cant make kitestock
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
13 Jan 2006 2:09pm
quote:
Originally posted by bolgo

hey kiterpilot
u some 1 else we all no and luv?? watz ur favorite color?

what a demo for us plebs, probably cant make kitestock



Sunday 22nd Jan, we will be found at the south bay at approx noon, woodmans point, on test will be the 06 Waroo, Yarga & Yarga Pro...
bolgo
bolgo
WA
912 posts
WA, 912 posts
13 Jan 2006 7:42pm
hmmm
wat color those kites
brown
i think
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
14 Jan 2006 11:02am
Had my 9 out yesterday and almost all our Team riders went for a strap. Wind died out to about 8knots at one stage and Dave, 75kg, was still out pullen off moves. Basic overview in my opinion

-wicked fast turning
-simple bar setup
-lightest bar pressure of many kites
-great qaulity and colours designs etc.
-complete depower, you could easily take this baby out in any condition.

Compared to other Bow Flat kites, I think Best have nailed it for 2006.
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
14 Jan 2006 10:20am
In the event of keeping it real on wind ranges... below is the published wind ranges for each size waroo based on a 75kg rider.

5m 24>>35kts
7m 19>>35kts
9m 15>>34kts
12m 12>>28kts
14m 10>>24kts
16m 8>>22kts
20m 6>>18kts

But I echo these points...

-wicked fast turning
-simple bar setup
-lightest bar pressure of many kites
-great qaulity and colours designs etc.
-complete depower
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
16 Jan 2006 12:13pm
Nice recovery brownee
When are some pimps ever going to learn that claims like 'pulling moves in 8 kts with a 9M" only make us all totally disregard anything they ever say again.
We've seen some HUGE claims here on the forum but the only thing that was blowing in that post was credibility Gone forever.
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
21 Jan 2006 10:44am
Yeah over the years i've tried my best to keep it realy, sometimes I've been battling the boss to calm it down a little, as was seen over the stink fish, which is now obsolete ... ARSA has a good reputation and I dont want to see them shoot them selves in the foot over some claims that have not yet been varified...

KEEP it REAL for 2006
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
21 Jan 2006 6:46pm
Arse a perhaps a change of shop name would be appropriate??
Everyone knows what comes out of an arse.

Hey Browmee, really looking forward to trying the Waroo, hope to catch you on Sunday if i can get away.
Pete glad you finally managed to be bow'ed....maybe brownee is the next reluctant convert.??
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
21 Jan 2006 6:47pm
great review by the way..
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
21 Jan 2006 10:05pm
I can boost 40 foot in 10 knots off wind … on a 10 m


Have I taken out the biggest claim title?
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
22 Jan 2006 8:40am
I willing to eat humble pie and be converted if it's as good as when I watched Pete ride it...
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
22 Jan 2006 9:14am
quote:
I willing to eat humble pie and be converted if it's as good as when I watched Pete ride it...


LOL now the knees gone pop, the eyes are fading, the arms buggered and the other leg hurts, perhaps its time to retire with a bow......lol
See you this arvo
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
22 Jan 2006 9:21am
old !, I'm only 32 (on wednesday)
MORT
MORT
WA
33 posts
WA, 33 posts
25 Jan 2006 4:06pm
What is the price of these imitation Globerider kites

From what I can see they are no cheaper

And keep in mind the Best resale value on the market
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
25 Jan 2006 9:02pm
Well Ive certainly been kicked in the ARSA. Thanks guys, I only go off my trusty wind meter and my own eyes when I saw this, totally amazed myself, 8knots gusting at times to 11 knots. I believe these kites are better than others on the market and yes they are cheaper. However I am not biased to one brand as I have ridden as many different brands models of kite over the last 7 years as I can.

Thamks Brownee for the wind ranges, however weve experienced 8-11knots here in Mackay wher you guys in the west havent yet seen a still tree. We have wind now, and it will be good to see the top end range of this baby.

Joe

(keepin real as it is)
sburlo
sburlo
NT
166 posts
NT, 166 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:49pm
So Joe/ARSA what your last post suggests that the 9m waroo would be capable in 8knts - 11knts therefore that would imply that the 12 and 14 would be more than enough at that low end. I have read the threads on seebreeze and other sites and the Tribal, Waroo and Peter Lynn venom have caught my attention. (Turbo Deisel one pump would be nice also). I would still consider myself a beginner and would likely need to self land often. 80% - 90% of time the wind would be 8knts to 12 knt, 10 - 20% of the time 15-25knts, 75kg is my weight and currently riding an airush square 2.
Any suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
26 Jan 2006 1:40am
quote:
So Joe/ARSA what your last post suggests that the 9m waroo would be capable in 8knts - 11knts therefore that would imply that the 12 and 14 would be more than enough at that low end. I have read the threads on seebreeze and other sites and the Tribal, Waroo and Peter Lynn venom have caught my attention. (Turbo Deisel one pump would be nice also). I would still consider myself a beginner and would likely need to self land often. 80% - 90% of time the wind would be 8knts to 12 knt, 10 - 20% of the time 15-25knts, 75kg is my weight and currently riding an airush square 2.
Any suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.


Hi mate,

It is possible to milk the most out of a kite however this isnt always the most efficient way to go. Yes as I said in the post above, Dave was riding in 8-11knts but was working the kite to `create enough power to do so.

You have a fair size board and only 75kg, in my opinion a 12mtr Waroo would be most affective in the conditions you wish to ride.

Ideally the benefits of a flat kite is the ability to depower the kite enough to allow you to ride in a huge wind range, also alow for gusty or squaley conditions that the traditional "C" shape kite simply cannot handle. These are the safety benefits.

Answer you question about self launching, The Waroo, being a 4line kite works on a simple slider sys safety, where one of your front fly lines runs thru a stainless ring and onto your safety leash. When you are ready to land the kite it is easy as letting go of the bar and relying on the safety leash to activate and depower the kite completely. This process can be done in a few stages as listed below:-


1.Position your kite on the edge of the wind window at approx 10 or 2 oclock (12 oclock being straight above your head)

2.Before letting the bar go be sure that there is no one or thing in the wind window (kill zone) where the kite will land

3.Also ensure that your safety leash is firmly attached to yourself or harness and attached to the safety slider system.

4.When you have double checked these points above, then unhook and let the bar go.

5.Keeping your safety leash attached, walk your hands along the line until you reach your kite, then secure your kite adequately, by applying sand on the canopy if need be.

6.Once your kite is secured, then take your safety off.


Quicker doing it then writing it on a forrum but that IMO is the easiest and safest way to land your kite alone.

Joe Millen




Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
26 Jan 2006 1:43am
quote:
Answer you question about self launching



Typo, SELF LANDING..
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
26 Jan 2006 8:33am
quote:
Originally posted by arsa

Thamks Brownee for the wind ranges, however weve experienced 8-11knots here in Mackay wher you guys in the west havent yet seen a still tree. We have wind now, and it will be good to see the top end range of this baby.

Joe

(keepin real as it is)



On our demo day at woodmans point, one of my team riders went out on the waroo 9m in conditions like you stated and what I saw was a very experienced rider of max 70kgs going down wind under powered and groveling... when the wind picked up just a couple of knots to approx 15 he was going off...
kusu
kusu
QLD
485 posts
QLD, 485 posts
26 Jan 2006 6:38pm
I went out on a 9m today in what I thought was about 12-13knots.
Other guys were on 21/18.
I held my ground! Blew me away!
Board and rider weights all very close too.
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
26 Jan 2006 9:02pm
Did you like the kite Kurt.

Joe
kusu
kusu
QLD
485 posts
QLD, 485 posts
26 Jan 2006 10:19pm
Unfortunately not enough wind to give it a good run

I'll try and get stoojio on it though to get his
technological advanced opinion
marc
marc
WA
169 posts
WA, 169 posts
29 Jan 2006 12:31am
hello,
i had a try today at point moore on a 9 waroo and 11 yarga pro.
the yarga pro feels incredibly steady even in gusty conditions like we have these days. the LE is very small and stiff. the kites devellops a good power but nothing scary. good depower too and i would say a very good wind range. i weight about 70 kg and i used it at around 20 knts.
the 9 waroo was my 1st bow kite to try.
very easy straigh away and very nice depower too. i did some jumps too and i think those were my biggest jumps ever on my short kite experience.
i like the fact that the bridle is very simple so no headache about that and no special bar needed.
i will have another try tomorrow as well but i was using the 9 at the same time i would have used my 7 meter yarga 05.
this kite feels more the gusts than with the pro but that might be due to the depower strap fully tentionned.
i usually fly north vegas and toro and best yarga but i was nicelly surprised by the cheapest brand around !
Marc-a. / Geraldton
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
29 Jan 2006 11:24am
Thanks for your post Marca,

Its true, people are loving both kites and are surprised the amount o performance and stability. The Waroo is a hit.

Joe Millen
nokins07D
nokins07D
QLD
39 posts
QLD, 39 posts
29 Jan 2006 8:55pm
I had a run on the 9m Waroo in Brisbane on Saturday, wow what a easy kite to fly and the jumping was a Awesome , Marc's review was spot on with the Waroo.
Joe you are dead right , the Waroo is a hit , I just hope Best have plenty of Waroo's to go around

Cheers
Ian O /Brisbane
hilly
hilly
WA
8132 posts
WA, 8132 posts
30 Jan 2006 9:47pm
Should be a hit, it is a direct copy of a GKsonic which is an awesome kite that sells for about the same price and has excellent dealer and distributor backup.
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