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RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
30 Mar 2006 7:29pm
the Matrix ones can be screwed into a ball and bounce right back.
however they are a larger diameter so may not fit the pocket.

with the Vegas keep an eye on the battens where they are held in by the velcro. make sure they stay pressed against the velcro and not slip under. when you look you will know what I mean.
Buschy
Buschy
QLD
188 posts
QLD, 188 posts
30 Mar 2006 9:11pm
It is an absolutely awesome kite. Don't want the batten thing being blown out of proportion. I was watching my kite (from the beach) when it came down on the day the 2 battens broke. It came down HARD...

From what I have seen it takes a lot to break them, as I have flown and dumped it a few times since that day and no problems. At $5 a batten, I'm fairly certain batten replacement would only cost some loose change over the life of the kite. Be interesting to hear how others have gone with their cambattens.

PS. Minutes later..... Just reread the post about how the battens held up in the waves. Sounds like bending in surf poses more of a problem than heavy impact on flatter water....


quote:
Originally posted by vishy

Any chance of using sailing or windsurfing battens?
Sound like an awesome kite apart from that,
Matt

Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
12 Apr 2006 8:35pm
Kited Rosebud yesterday on a honking northwesterly.

I would estimate the wind strength as 25kn gusting to 35kn.

Used the 10m Vegas with about 2-3 inches of depower left...the conditions were like big game fishing - every now and then the wind would worry the kite and try to take a big bite. The kite handled the conditions extremely well - so much so that wave-riding was still achievable and flat water jumping was fine.

Mate put up his 10m C kite fully depowered and was getting lofted on the beach...he then switched to his 7.5m old Naish AR5. While I took a break after my first session, he took out the Vegas and was having a hoot. Reckons it depowers more than the 7.5m & was much smoother.

Again - very happy in all conditions but extremely gusty westerlies - which are inherently dangerous anyway.

Go the Vegas !!!
vishy
vishy
WA
451 posts
WA, 451 posts
12 Apr 2006 7:18pm
Hey,
Kite sounds awesome, just wondering what sort of wind you can start having fun in with the 10m. Also how might it compare with a 10m spec 2(i take it to 30knts)?
Thanks
Matt
Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
13 Apr 2006 4:06am
Depends on your weight, board, flat water vs chop etc etc

I would say that if you are 70kgs or less then you would have a wind range of 18-35knots.

If you weigh more then start raising the bottom end - probably for me I need 20 knots to start having some fun - ideally 25 and could probably hold the kite down to high 30's...although then it would be time to get off the water due to the safety factor.
vishy
vishy
WA
451 posts
WA, 451 posts
13 Apr 2006 8:27am
InterestingI weigh 75 kg, and havn't been out in winds stronger than 30 so maybe the 12 might be the option as a 1 kite quiver? Ride a 132 drop ltd in the ocean mosrt of the time as well,
Thanks for the replies
Matt
Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
13 Apr 2006 2:09pm
Yep - I reckon a 12m would cover you for most scenarios...you just wont have much fun in < 13 knots or > 30 knots.... Unless of course you change boards and use a surfboard or large directional to get more bottom end wind range. Always sounds good in principle until you have to lug the damn thing everywhere you go...a spare big kite is much more portable.
vishy
vishy
WA
451 posts
WA, 451 posts
13 Apr 2006 1:23pm
Sounds perfect now just have to find a second hand one next season Yeh not interested in going out in less than 15 really nor more than 30,
Thanks again for the review
Matt
Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
13 Apr 2006 8:29pm
I reckon you will have buckleys chance of picking up one second hand for next season...at least not until the Vegas 07 is released. The 06 came out very late - i.e. late Feb & they are so sweet that anyone who has one wont be parting with it in a hurry.

Your best bet would be to try and convince a kite shop that holding one through winter isnt a great idea !

Monday looks like strong northerlies again...bit of a shame that it will mean fighting back thru the returning Easter traffic on the way home..
myes myes
myes myes
WA
223 posts
WA, 223 posts
14 Apr 2006 7:50pm
if you can find a retailor with any left!
890Falcon
890Falcon
NSW
383 posts
NSW, 383 posts
24 Apr 2006 4:48pm
You really cant believe all the hype untill you try it for yourself, and today I had the pleasure of trying my mates 06 14m VEGAS.

For starters the construction of the kite is second to none, really built well especially when you take out in the surf and dump it a few times , you might break a few of those cam battons but they are oh so easy to replace , dont really see it being a problem.

The depower is amazing, I was riding fully powered up just about to get ripped of my edge pushed the bar out and felt the smoothest depower I have ever felt out of a kite including bow kites.

Jumping is so easy and the hangtime is very good, up wind abilities are execellent, the only things I dont like about the kite is the depower strap with the cleat system, needs to be changed ,also be carefull not to get sand in your chicken loop as this can cause it to jam and the safety will not release, as one of my mates found out the hard way.

Also the fifth line gets easily tangled around the line it runs through , I found this happening without doing any tricks.

The bow kites raised the bar with depower now North have raised the bar again , the 06 Vegas is an execellent kite.
CJP
CJP
NSW
370 posts
CJP CJP
NSW, 370 posts
25 Apr 2006 7:19pm
Just to back up Daniel's comment. - very happy with my new kite. At 100kg + wet and using protoy 135 I need 17/18kns+ constant wind for a good solid ride - below this I'm a bit heavy but haven't tried it with 152 underground yet.

Definitely needs some improvement to depower rope - red knob is too hard to grip if it is right up near the cleat.

Kite is very well made and rides beautifully. Very smooth through the power and definitely lives up to hype about depower - My main buzz from kiting is major boosting - this kite has not let me down. Off the waves it really kicks ass.

I also own a 12m Switchblade and a 16m Crossbow - these are great kites and now with the Vegas I feel totally equipped for all conditions.

The bloke who had the difficulty releasing the Iron Heart was on a 12metre and was being dragged along the sand - it seems the sand blocked everything and it just would not release . Keen to hear if others have had Bill's experience and successfuly released.

cheers
col
ps. Thanks to the " CAPTAIN " -- mate that kite folding method you showed me for the VEGAS works a dream - kite slips into its bag very neatly.
CJP
CJP
NSW
370 posts
CJP CJP
NSW, 370 posts
26 Apr 2006 6:10pm
20 to 25 kns with occassional 30kn bursts at Brighton NSW today.
The 14 Vegas worked a dream. Very happy with boosting capability and once you have dialled in technique, hang time is quite amazing - definitely up there with the Cabrinah bows.
The bar is very comfortable and there no need to move cleat from factory set position if you are a big bloke.
Kite cuts up wind no probs - right there with my bows. Feel very safe on this kite - getting the old adrenallin rush back.
Very very happy
The " C " is back.
cheers
col
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
27 Apr 2006 4:58am
Way to go CJP,

Bows are just "SO LAST SEASON"

Having seen our Carribean visitor of 75kg hold down his 12m Rhino6
in slightly wilder conditions, and what people are doing on F-ones and 06 Matrix, It's not a case of 'C is back'.

They NEVER left, and bring on 07.
myes myes
myes myes
WA
223 posts
WA, 223 posts
28 Apr 2006 6:55pm
quote:
Originally posted by CJP

Just to back up Daniel's comment. - very happy with my new kite. At 100kg + wet and using protoy 135 I need 17/18kns+ constant wind for a good solid ride - below this I'm a bit heavy but haven't tried it with 152 underground yet.

Definitely needs some improvement to depower rope - red knob is too hard to grip if it is right up near the cleat.

Kite is very well made and rides beautifully. Very smooth through the power and definitely lives up to hype about depower - My main buzz from kiting is major boosting - this kite has not let me down. Off the waves it really kicks ass.

I also own a 12m Switchblade and a 16m Crossbow - these are great kites and now with the Vegas I feel totally equipped for all conditions.

The bloke who had the difficulty releasing the Iron Heart was on a 12metre and was being dragged along the sand - it seems the sand blocked everything and it just would not release . Keen to hear if others have had Bill's experience and successfuly released.

cheers
col
ps. Thanks to the " CAPTAIN " -- mate that kite folding method you showed me for the VEGAS works a dream - kite slips into its bag very neatly.





would you be kind enough to share theat method with us

cheers Leo
Thomo
Thomo
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
29 Apr 2006 8:56am
quote:
Originally posted by CJP

20 to 25 kns with occassional 30kn bursts at Brighton NSW today.
The 14 Vegas worked a dream. Very happy with boosting capability and once you have dialled in technique, hang time is quite amazing - definitely up there with the Cabrinah bows.
The bar is very comfortable and there no need to move cleat from factory set position if you are a big bloke.
Kite cuts up wind no probs - right there with my bows. Feel very safe on this kite - getting the old adrenallin rush back.
Very very happy
The " C " is back.
cheers
col




Hang time up there with the Cabrinah bow kites....That just turned me off a Vegas....
CJP
CJP
NSW
370 posts
CJP CJP
NSW, 370 posts
29 Apr 2006 6:46pm
Thats a shame Thommo - you will miss some great kiting by giving the Vegas a miss. Anyway of no concern to me , I'm just happy to be kiting every time there is wind - its great to be retired - no more " oh sh.. the winds up and I've got to work. Been out every day this week bar Friday when I spent the day at the caravan camping show picking an RV for my around Australia kiting odessy. Crikey lifes good.
Cheers mate
col
CJP
CJP
NSW
370 posts
CJP CJP
NSW, 370 posts
29 Apr 2006 6:55pm
G'day Leo
The method the Captain showed me is pretty straight forward and probably used by most kiters who have battens in the wing tips of their kites.

Fold the kite in half and line the wing tip battens up together. Then simply roll the kite up keeping the batten ends in line with the leading edge. Once you have completely rolled it up feel for the batten end which will be about half way down the rolled kite. Fold the end towards the leading edge and there you have it. Fits straight into the bag every time.

cheers
col
harks98
harks98
NSW
102 posts
NSW, 102 posts
30 Apr 2006 7:12am
Col

That's awesome mate & good luck to you. Got your message the other day and had a bit of laugh.... That V14 sounds nice.... I'm thinking of getting the 16 & 12 later this year and by the sounds of it I wont be disappointed.... Mate the 03 CO2s are still going strong, but its defiantly time for something new.

I'll be down in Sydney in about 2 weeks. If the winds up I'll give you a bell.

Mate next SW, it's time to hit the road to that awesome spot Captain, Jughead and I hit last year... still some of the best kiting I've done and I'm still grinning about it... it's frikin insane... on that note, if the winds southerly, jump in that RV of yours and head up my way and we'll hit Umina... its a great spot, but then again you'll probably be up in sunny Cairns kiting in boardies.

talk soon

matt
890Falcon
890Falcon
NSW
383 posts
NSW, 383 posts
30 Apr 2006 4:52pm
Matt where have you been, have you found work up the central coast, are you kiting alot.

Have you found any good spots that are worth trying out, Jughead the menance is back as he keeps telling everyone the king is back.

We are also heading to Hawaii in August cant wait, we have to organise a day and all head out for a huge session.

See you soon.
harks98
harks98
NSW
102 posts
NSW, 102 posts
30 Apr 2006 6:48pm
Danza... all's good mate... I tried to catch up with guys the other week, but I think you were all out at Boat Harbor.
I'm working in Sydney 3 days a week & looking after my daughter the other 2, so only kiting weekends now that winter is here.

There is heaps of excellent spots up this way, but I'm getting lazy and not wanting to drive more than 10 min's to get wet... I've been surfing heaps which is good because it took a back seat for a few years and I'm finding my feet again and really enjoying it.

Yeah The Menace mentioned you guys were off to Hawaii.... sounds like a good trip, fingers crossed for wind.

Mate I'm way keen to get a big session in soon.... I'm just waiting for the next big Southerly and I'm off to that river mouth we hit in the bay last year... you keen? Maybe the Nomad CJP will have his Winnebago parked there for us with an endless supply Amber refreshments between sessions... now that's a thought ;)

What the Menace is back... can he still kite? how's he coping with COL going bigger than him? ;) I bet he was cautious of his back for about 2 mins before going **** it and sending it for a kite loop or something... go the Menace and good to hear he's back.

matt
myes myes
myes myes
WA
223 posts
WA, 223 posts
30 Apr 2006 7:23pm
cheers col

quote:
Originally posted by CJP

G'day Leo
The method the Captain showed me is pretty straight forward and probably used by most kiters who have battens in the wing tips of their kites.

Fold the kite in half and line the wing tip battens up together. Then simply roll the kite up keeping the batten ends in line with the leading edge. Once you have completely rolled it up feel for the batten end which will be about half way down the rolled kite. Fold the end towards the leading edge and there you have it. Fits straight into the bag every time.

cheers
col


harks98
harks98
NSW
102 posts
NSW, 102 posts
4 May 2006 4:43pm
Dan/col

Have you ridden a 16 Vegas? if so how did it go?

matt
NSW, 4382 posts
4 May 2006 9:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by harks98

Dan/col

Have you ridden a 16 Vegas? if so how did it go?

matt



Don't wait too long to pick up a new vegas 06, there is very limited stock left in the country. I have a couple of kites but cannot get anymore until later in the year - maybe.

BATTENS - The Vegas 06 uses 2mm round section fibreglass, all traditional kite shops (not that many left)like Kitepower Sydney and Geelong, Hold The Line Perth, Kite Factory Adelaide, Kamikaze Gold Coast, Briskites, in Brisbane, Bob Dawson Coffs, Kiteworks Newcastle, Windspeed Cairns, all should stock this material, we all sell it for around $3/$4 per metre. One metre will make at least 3 battens I think.
If you make any wrap the batten in electrical tape or heat shrink tube, so its easy to get out if it does break.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
890Falcon
890Falcon
NSW
383 posts
NSW, 383 posts
5 May 2006 10:54am
Matt have not ridden the 16 but the 14 is a nice kite, I have a mate that has a 16 and he loves it.

But have had a talk to the king and he seems to think that he would go something a little higher aspect maybe a rhino or a raven.

890Falcon
890Falcon
NSW
383 posts
NSW, 383 posts
5 May 2006 4:43pm
Matt just had a chat to the guy that I get my kites from and he said there is another shipment of 12 06 vegas coming in and they are going to go real quick, and it may be the last shipment for some time.The 12 is a top kite just go and get one , the 16 they still have stock.

If your going to get one give Jason a call on 0419 686 188 see what he can do for you really nice guy and pricing on kites is very reasonable.

Next time we go kiting I want to see you on a new 06 Vegas carving up the surf.
CJP
CJP
NSW
370 posts
CJP CJP
NSW, 370 posts
7 May 2006 6:35pm
Had the 14m out in 20 to 30 plus knots at Kurnell today - about 5hrs of very enjoyable kiting. Really enjoyed the boostng - This is a very good kite. - Matt you won't be disappointed .
col
harks98
harks98
NSW
102 posts
NSW, 102 posts
8 May 2006 1:23pm
col

did you ever feel over powered on the 14 in that wind... do you think you would have gotten away with your old V4 14 in that wind? Also how's the bottom end on these suckers.
You know how I kite - do think the 12 & 16 would be a good combo or would you go a bigger gap? like 10 - 16?
matt
NSW, 4382 posts
8 May 2006 2:22pm
quote:
Originally posted by danza

Matt just had a chat to the guy that I get my kites from and he said there is another shipment of 12 06 vegas coming in and they are going to go real quick, and it may be the last shipment for some time.The 12 is a top kite just go and get one , the 16 they still have stock.

If your going to get one give Jason a call on 0419 686 188 see what he can do for you really nice guy and pricing on kites is very reasonable.

Next time we go kiting I want to see you on a new 06 Vegas carving up the surf.



Give Kitepower in Sydney a call if you want a really good price Matt, we have the kites in stock, and will do whatever we have to to keep local business local.
I have a 12M Demo you can test anytime.
We have some great end of financial year specials, I don't want to count all this stock!!!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

890Falcon
890Falcon
NSW
383 posts
NSW, 383 posts
8 May 2006 2:37pm
Matt was out with Col on Sunday he held the 14 down in those winds no problem but when the big bullets came through he had to put the kite up high to ride the gusts out.

I asked him if he put the kite down in the power zone would he be able to hold on and he said he could not.I personally think after riding it and watching it more it only depwowers about 60 percent as with a standard c kite you might get 40 percent.

Also spoke to my mate up north that has one you must be careful in the surf as his Vegas inverted in the surf and snapped all the cam battons the kite inverted while he was trying to relaunch.

As for the bottom end if I compare it to my ravens I would have to say the raven has a better bottom end so does the rhino lift and hangtime much better on the raven but the vegas turns faster and has more depower but in saying that col was doing the best jumps I have seen him do in about 12 months.Just go and get one you will not be dissapointed apparently the 12 rocks.
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