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Rob S
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1 Mar 2013 10:57pm
Another kite leash released when launching on beach. Didnt see why it was released. Lines and bar wrapped around top of light pole. 24 knot wind. 8m Rebel. Lightweight rider.

The kite looped continuously and yanked the hell out off the light pole. I thought it was going to tear down the big steel pole then it disconnected and flew into 'the house opposite with the lines and bar wrapped around the power lines. They tensioned up and pulled all the electrical wires together. Hells bells sparks flying everywhere. even on poles in the next side street up.

Police, Fire Brigade and Power company turned up.

Everyone ok. But another step closer to closing this beach I fear. What can be done!
amclean
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1 Mar 2013 11:39pm
Yep spectacular. Altona must stay kite friendly
Smithy
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1 Mar 2013 11:53pm
When did it happen, today or a couple of weeks back..
Rob S
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2 Mar 2013 12:00am
Smithy said...
When did it happen, today or a couple of weeks back..


Late this afternoon
matto
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2 Mar 2013 12:05am
North= new cabrinha
Or
North= man made structures (boats, light poles)
Cabrinha= nature (trees)
chino
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2 Mar 2013 12:40am
Rob S said...


Everyone ok. But another step closer to closing this beach I fear. What can be done!


Part of me wants to say "all part of the sport" but that's not going to be saying much if and when my favorite spot gets the banhammer.

Sort of off topic but not really, but I was recently speaking to the owner of a Hang Gliding school near Ballarat, who happens to have an Order of Australia for Sport and does a lot of the planning and safety stuff for the Hang Gliding Federation of Australia. He said he was approached a few years back by Vic Parks to help bring kiting into the same safety and licensing umbrella as other wind sports. He took one look at the number of incident and accident reports and ran the other way.

Don't know what the moral is, other than to say that a guy who routinely chucks himself off cliffs and tows himself up to 2000 feet in a bunch of canvas and aluminum struts thinks OUR sport has too many safety concerns.
theWILFRED
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2 Mar 2013 1:09am
No insurance = No kite..

better renew mine then
pgc
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2 Mar 2013 3:13am
Hey i got attacked by a sting ray today. 10 hrs in hospital with free drugs. No real damage to me but im sure the stingray has a sore head.I got to tell you it realy f----- Hurt.
theWILFRED
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2 Mar 2013 9:39am
STINGRAY in ALTONA??? where did you get stung?
Rob S
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2 Mar 2013 10:20am
matto said...
North= new cabrinha
Or
North= man made structures (boats, light poles)
Cabrinha= nature (trees)


Speaking of trees, if they had launched in the council designated kiting area instead of up nearer the pier then the kite would just be up a tree and not come to much attention at all.
juggler
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2 Mar 2013 10:44am
Rob S said...

Another kite leash released when launching on beach. Didnt see why it was released. Lines and bar wrapped around top of light pole. 24 knot wind. 8m Rebel. Lightweight rider.

The kite looped continuously and yanked the hell out off the light pole. I thought it was going to tear down the big steel pole then it disconnected and flew into 'the house opposite with the lines and bar wrapped around the power lines. They tensioned up and pulled all the electrical wires together. Hells bells sparks flying everywhere. even on poles in the next side street up.

Police, Fire Brigade and Power company turned up.

Everyone ok. But another step closer to closing this beach I fear. What can be done!


Broken line maybe? Could happen to anyone.
Big eeeZeee
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2 Mar 2013 11:15am
juggler said...
Rob S said...

Another kite leash released when launching on beach. Didnt see why it was released. Lines and bar wrapped around top of light pole. 24 knot wind. 8m Rebel. Lightweight rider.

The kite looped continuously and yanked the hell out off the light pole. I thought it was going to tear down the big steel pole then it disconnected and flew into 'the house opposite with the lines and bar wrapped around the power lines. They tensioned up and pulled all the electrical wires together. Hells bells sparks flying everywhere. even on poles in the next side street up.

Police, Fire Brigade and Power company turned up.

Everyone ok. But another step closer to closing this beach I fear. What can be done!


Broken line maybe? Could happen to anyone.


Could happen to anyone in rosebud


suniboy21
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2 Mar 2013 11:48am
What's a session at Altona without getting your Kite stuck in a tree at least once
gazman2
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2 Mar 2013 12:05pm
hope the person has insurance.correct me if im wrong,but do the power company hand you the bill for removing your kite???
Big eeeZeee
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2 Mar 2013 12:24pm
it would be a big **** off bill!
ewan kite
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2 Mar 2013 1:27pm
yea of course it was a north....

definitely the new cabrinha. even seen a few in the trees lately, or around boats, cars etc.
Saffer
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2 Mar 2013 8:51pm
Big eeeZeee said...
it would be a big **** off bill!


$10k from what I understand.
rsh
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2 Mar 2013 9:58pm
This rider looked very nervous before the kite was even launched. Given the strong winds and the clear nerves the person was showing it would have been better not to launch the kite at all. I can see how this person got a shock once her kite went into the air as you don't really feel the force of the wind until your kite is reaching twelve. For someone who hasn't had a lot of experienced this would have been very daunting.

This rider was clearly not ready for conditions like this it was evident in the way she held the bar(horizontally rather than inline with the kite) and overall body language.

Let's hope we can all take care and avoid incidents like this happening, which bring negative publicity to the sport and raise questions about the sustainability of kite boarding at popular locations.
Saffer
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3 Mar 2013 1:25am
It's one of the key reasons I keep stating that Altona is not ideal for beginners, much to the dismay of one or two people on the forum. There is no room for error and the location of the powerlines pose an immediate risk to bans at Altona if beginners continue to kite there.

To be kiting at Altona, you really should be comfortable going upwind and launching and landing should be a complete non-issue. We will not avoid these incidents happening until the schools and the shops stop recommending it as a beginner spot. How long do you think the council is going to take a $10K hit before they react.
Big eeeZeee
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3 Mar 2013 8:40am
Yeah 2 guys nearly ended up in the power lines yesterday. Both of them riding 12's as expected. This issue won't go away until we Di something or the council does
matto
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3 Mar 2013 9:48am
Definitely some interesting sights yesterday. Still cant understand why people would be launching 12's in 25knots (gusting 30). All that brings out is the ole poo stance.....

Was epic conditions yesterday though. Perfect flat water and great wind direction. Stoked.
paradigm
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3 Mar 2013 11:00am
Agree with Matto, yesterday was fantastic.

I can go one better though. I came in around 5pm when I reckon gusts were close to 30 knots. I had used all my depower on my 8m. A nice looking gentleman was just heading out on a 13m .... (brand now more associated with trees than Cabrinhas). Amazing!
SaltySinus
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3 Mar 2013 2:32pm
Yeap, it was windy as b@lls yesterday. I've never had an onshore wind that seemed so determined to make me fly vertically rather than downwind.

When I rigged up, the tide was out and there was probably 200m of flat, smooth sand to launch from. Why oh why were people rigging on the sand at the top of the beach, 2metres from power lines when we had all that space to play with?

I'm guessing a combination of pride and more skill and confidence than I've got!

Great session and an amazing beach. All the locals I spoke to (all 2 of them) were really pro kites and enjoy the sight of the kites on these beaches. Long may it continue.
juggler
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3 Mar 2013 9:00pm
Saffer said...
It's one of the key reasons I keep stating that Altona is not ideal for beginners, much to the dismay of one or two people on the forum. There is no room for error and the location of the powerlines pose an immediate risk to bans at Altona if beginners continue to kite there.

To be kiting at Altona, you really should be comfortable going upwind and launching and landing should be a complete non-issue. We will not avoid these incidents happening until the schools and the shops stop recommending it as a beginner spot. How long do you think the council is going to take a $10K hit before they react.


Same as Brighton, everyone will be out on 8-10m kites & beginners will rock up with 12m kites, one in particular this week & we had a discussion & he didn't go out. Will be having a word to the "teacher" as I know who it is, not that I can see that working! Only in it for the $$$
Peterdj
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3 Mar 2013 10:01pm
Juggler, i saw a couple of 12's the day of the incident at Altona. One was up near the pier i think it was a greenish north.
As i only have a twelve that wind was far to strong for me to even think of having a go unless i was hanging of a 9 or ten at the most, even i realise that and im not up on a board yet.
fstop5
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3 Mar 2013 10:49pm
Rob S said...

Another kite leash released when launching on beach. Didnt see why it was released. Lines and bar wrapped around top of light pole. 24 knot wind. 8m Rebel. Lightweight rider.

The kite looped continuously and yanked the hell out off the light pole. I thought it was going to tear down the big steel pole then it disconnected and flew into 'the house opposite with the lines and bar wrapped around the power lines. They tensioned up and pulled all the electrical wires together. Hells bells sparks flying everywhere. even on poles in the next side street up.

Police, Fire Brigade and Power company turned up.

Everyone ok. But another step closer to closing this beach I fear. What can be done!


I was wondering what the commotion was all about as I was arriving to take photos (this thread)
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Victoria/Altona-1-Mar-2013-Photos/ . Saw all the services in attendance; had no clue it was kitesurfing related.
djdojo
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5 Mar 2013 1:26pm
rsh said...
This rider looked very nervous before the kite was even launched. Given the strong winds and the clear nerves the person was showing it would have been better not to launch the kite at all. I can see how this person got a shock once her kite went into the air as you don't really feel the force of the wind until your kite is reaching twelve. For someone who hasn't had a lot of experienced this would have been very daunting.

This rider was clearly not ready for conditions like this it was evident in the way she held the bar(horizontally rather than inline with the kite) and overall body language.

Let's hope we can all take care and avoid incidents like this happening, which bring negative publicity to the sport and raise questions about the sustainability of kite boarding at popular locations.



So, you saw all these signs of impending doom and you stood back and watched??!!

Please, all of us, if we see someone looking like they've no idea, let's say something before sh!t goes down. Asking if they know what they're doing, suggesting they might launch further upwind away from hazards, simple constructive advice like this. Only once have I had a person disregard my offerings of advice, and on that occasion he changed his mind as soon as I called back-up.

Most of the time people are glad to receive tips that could save their life, and increase their sense of fun and being welcome.

Pro-active is the way to go. Speak up in advance.
salt
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5 Mar 2013 1:45pm
djdojo said...
rsh said...
This rider looked very nervous before the kite was even launched. Given the strong winds and the clear nerves the person was showing it would have been better not to launch the kite at all. I can see how this person got a shock once her kite went into the air as you don't really feel the force of the wind until your kite is reaching twelve. For someone who hasn't had a lot of experienced this would have been very daunting.

This rider was clearly not ready for conditions like this it was evident in the way she held the bar(horizontally rather than inline with the kite) and overall body language.

Let's hope we can all take care and avoid incidents like this happening, which bring negative publicity to the sport and raise questions about the sustainability of kite boarding at popular locations.



So, you saw all these signs of impending doom and you stood back and watched??!!

Please, all of us, if we see someone looking like they've no idea, let's say something before sh!t goes down. Asking if they know what they're doing, suggesting they might launch further upwind away from hazards, simple constructive advice like this. Only once have I had a person disregard my offerings of advice, and on that occasion he changed his mind as soon as I called back-up.

Most of the time people are glad to receive tips that could save their life, and increase their sense of fun and being welcome.

Pro-active is the way to go. Speak up in advance.


^ Agree!

I saw a beginner casually training himself on a windy day on the sand at altona 30m from road and power lines. I walked him into the water and got him waist deep, where he could practice without trees/roads/electrocutions.

Blew my mind that he would practice flying a full size kite on a windy day on the beach.

But, beginners have no idea! especially if they only go out once a month or so. Look out for the safety of your massive noob buddies.

Another MENTAL occurence was some dickhead given lessons at HAMPTON beach (about 20m of sand) RIGHT in front of A BRICK wall!!!!! NO HELMET on student, FULL size 12m kite, 18knots!!!!! ONE MISTAKE ..SPLAT!!!! I told the INstructor and student to stop the lessons, the "instructor" Probably some loser trying to sell an old kite to a noob, told me to FARK off!!! I told him he is risking the life of a beginner, what a disgrace!

I think the beginner got freaked out and bailed the lessons...rightly so!
DANEgerous
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5 Mar 2013 2:29pm
salt said...
Another MENTAL occurence was some dickhead given lessons at HAMPTON beach (about 20m of sand) RIGHT in front of A BRICK wall!!!!! NO HELMET on student, FULL size 12m kite, 18knots!!!!! ONE MISTAKE ..SPLAT!!!! I told the INstructor and student to stop the lessons, the "instructor" Probably some loser trying to sell an old kite to a noob, told me to FARK off!!! I told him he is risking the life of a beginner, what a disgrace!

I think the beginner got freaked out and bailed the lessons...rightly so!


Yeah I saw a lesson happening there last week (by the local shop I think), in a gusty southerly, flying on the beach just metres downwind from a rock groyne. Real smart.
Kazan
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8 Mar 2013 1:05pm
salt said...
I think the beginner got freaked out and bailed the lessons...rightly so!


Good on ya Salt! I would have done the same, but more... told the instructor .... no you F$$$$K OFF! And reported him to IKA & VKSA. They really need to be named and shamed, especially on this forum so others can well avoid. Seriously.

On a side reply to Saffer.... I used to argue with you about beginners being ok at Altona, but now I see the light living in Townsville. The only 'official' spot we have here is Pallarenda beach and it too has powerlines on the Northern section. The signs are clear and maps are distinct stating NO KITING near the power lines, even for experts. It is like twice the distance that it is in Altona to the launching area and the signs still yell it to all - NO GO ZONE! Yet Altona has a higher risk of this and the signage is crap to say the least. I hope council put up very clear and precision signs right smack on the beach edge and on the grass area saying 100% where everyone should go and NOT SUITABLE FOR BEGINNERS would be good too.
matto
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8 Mar 2013 10:13pm
Kazan said...
salt said...
I think the beginner got freaked out and bailed the lessons...rightly so!


On a side reply to Saffer.... I used to argue with you about beginners being ok at Altona, but now I see the light living in Townsville. The only 'official' spot we have here is Pallarenda beach and it too has powerlines on the Northern section. The signs are clear and maps are distinct stating NO KITING near the power lines, even for experts. It is like twice the distance that it is in Altona to the launching area and the signs still yell it to all - NO GO ZONE! Yet Altona has a higher risk of this and the signage is crap to say the least. I hope council put up very clear and precision signs right smack on the beach edge and on the grass area saying 100% where everyone should go and NOT SUITABLE FOR BEGINNERS would be good too.



Lightbulb moment. Kites and powerlines dont mix. Or maybe that is the problem - the moment would mean a lack of lightbulb moments.

Maybe the wise sage that is Saffer does know what he is talking about.

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