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Duff15
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20 Feb 2016 11:01am
Looking at the forcast is the event actually going ahead?

Great event but ill stay dry today.

Tomorrow looks better.
harry potter
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20 Feb 2016 9:12pm
From what I saw it went ahead with good winds and about 50 riders.
Seemed they got lucky with the wind around 18-25knots.

Good effort for a good cause. Well done to all involved
noodelsrominov
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20 Feb 2016 9:23pm
Yup it went ahead and as always it was an awesome event. The wind seems to always turn up for it even if no forecast thinks it will happen. It was a bit light at the launch but when we got out a bit it picked up.
Smithy
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20 Feb 2016 11:43pm
Looked like a rocky start for quite a few Klms out off Seaford, at one point there was at least 5 kites in the water having trouble relaunching,..
noodelsrominov
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21 Feb 2016 9:22am
^^^yeh but it's all part of the adventure and suspense of the event. Last year there was a lot more suspense. You really appreciate the wind when it comes.
noodelsrominov
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21 Feb 2016 9:23am
And for the last three years I've done it it's always come.
tcross
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21 Feb 2016 9:24am
I dropped out this year with a mixture of a flu and the lack of wind on the forecast. I couldn't risk the cost of flying to down hotels etc to repeat what happened last year. I know many people who didn't go again this year because of how it turned out in the past. Too bad it wasn't the full run. They chopped most of the ride out.
Kaha
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21 Feb 2016 9:47am

Hmmm, I wouldn't call it an awesome success.

It seem determined the event was going to happen on this day even though the forecast was terrible most of the week. I get it is a wind based event but why host it on day 1 in very marginal conditions when everyone has blacked out 4 days on their calendar.
I do not think kites should be getting launched in around 10 knots and told there's 16 knots at South Channel you'll be fine once you get out there. Most people struggled to get out not everyone made it. Even the big kites were falling out of the sky. Teabagging myself for about a kilometer to get to the wind which was still marginal wasn't my idea of fun. Yes the wind picked up and it was fine from about ricketts point and the majority made it but not everyone did.

Also, the organizers and core group seemed pretty quick to jump on there directionals and take off I presumed they would have a few well experience riders at the back or a boat.

I'm glad some people enjoyed it and money was raised for a good cause.

Smithy
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21 Feb 2016 10:39am
So how much money was raised?

Rumours of the past suggested far too many of the participants where in it for the adventure and as individuals raised very little for the cause...
noodelsrominov
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21 Feb 2016 11:23am
Smithy said...
So how much money was raised?

Rumours of the past suggested far too many of the participants where in it for the adventure and as individuals raised very little for the cause...


How much have you raised for charity?
Kaha
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21 Feb 2016 12:36pm
Over $20K was raised, good effort in that regard
Smithy
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21 Feb 2016 1:27pm
noodelsrominov said..

Smithy said...
So how much money was raised?

Rumours of the past suggested far too many of the participants where in it for the adventure and as individuals raised very little for the cause...



How much have you raised for charity?


Bit touchy hey.... It was actually one of the organiser who told me this last year, the problem is not uncommon and also happens with charity bike rides and walks fun runs etc.

As for me, my wife and I have a standing monthly donation that automatically goes to a particular UNICEF charity my wife is passionate about, it goes from my wages and not donations I get from sponsors, since we started we have donated over $10k, bit over $2k a year, hope that meets with your approval...
Kaha
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21 Feb 2016 2:03pm
It seems this event is renowned for pushing ahead in very marginal wind conditions and providing less than optimal support. I suspect this is why participant numbers have dropped. I hope the organizers are listening.
noodelsrominov
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21 Feb 2016 3:36pm
Smithy said...
noodelsrominov said..

Smithy said...
So how much money was raised?

Rumours of the past suggested far too many of the participants where in it for the adventure and as individuals raised very little for the cause...



How much have you raised for charity?


Bit touchy hey.... It was actually one of the organiser who told me this last year, the problem is not uncommon and also happens with charity bike rides and walks fun runs etc.

As for me, my wife and I have a standing monthly donation that automatically goes to a particular UNICEF charity my wife is passionate about, it goes from my wages and not donations I get from sponsors, since we started we have donated over $10k, bit over $2k a year, hope that meets with your approval...


As you said there are always people that will not raise money but there are also lots and lots who do. $75k was raised last year and over 20k this year so I think your comment about individuals not raising money is a bit **** as you sit observing from the side lines.

Smithy
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21 Feb 2016 4:03pm
noodelsrominov said..

Smithy said...

noodelsrominov said..


Smithy said...
So how much money was raised?

Rumours of the past suggested far too many of the participants where in it for the adventure and as individuals raised very little for the cause...




How much have you raised for charity?



Bit touchy hey.... It was actually one of the organiser who told me this last year, the problem is not uncommon and also happens with charity bike rides and walks fun runs etc.

As for me, my wife and I have a standing monthly donation that automatically goes to a particular UNICEF charity my wife is passionate about, it goes from my wages and not donations I get from sponsors, since we started we have donated over $10k, bit over $2k a year, hope that meets with your approval...



As you said there are always people that will not raise money but there are also lots and lots who do. $75k was raised last year and over 20k this year so I think your comment about individuals not raising money is a bit **** as you sit observing from the side lines.



It is not my observation, I do not know who has raised what. Last year in a conversation with Ceasar he said that his biggest frustration was people doing the event for the adventure and not remembering it was a fund raising event. So take the issue up with the organisers...
Wavehog
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21 Feb 2016 9:37pm
You looked like a bunch of clowns with your kites falling out of the sky off Chelsea.
It was an unnessecessaey risk taken.
I could not see a rescue boat because you were so far out. Did you have a plan for a mass rescue? I am hoping someone can explain the plan if wind dropped out as it often does in this area. Noodles?

You should have just gone from rickets.

noodelsrominov
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21 Feb 2016 10:24pm
Wavehog said...
You looked like a bunch of clowns with your kites falling out of the sky off Chelsea.
It was an unnessecessaey risk taken.
I could not see a rescue boat because you were so far out. Did you have a plan for a mass rescue? I am hoping someone can explain the plan if wind dropped out as it often does in this area. Noodles?

You should have just gone from rickets.




I cannot comment as its not my event and I had nothing to do with the planning. I'm just a participant that feels strongly about the cause. I'm happy to struggle a bit on the water to show my support to those going though cancer and the life it brings. Yes, I might have a different view on the event if the wind didn't come but it did and to me that signifies a happy ending. I would focus on the positive and not the negatives. I've seen cancer patients be consumed by the negatives of "what if" in the future and damage themselves mentally when they should be focusing on living.
I'm sure they had a plan if they needed to rescue everyone but I don't think you should waste your time thinking about all the what ifs.
Kaha
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22 Feb 2016 7:34am
noodelsrominov said..

I'm happy to struggle a bit on the water to show my support to those going though cancer and the life it brings. Yes, I might have a different view on the event if the wind didn't come but it did and to me that signifies a happy ending.


The wind got stronger in the channel (middle of the bay) but it did not get stronger for the 1km from the beach to the channel. For some it was not a struggle it was impossible. The wind was dropping continuously on the beach, when launching started it was probably already less than 15knots when launching got down to the end it was a lot less. 17m kites were falling out of the sky not just the standard sizes. Travelling 1km in less than 12 knots is not possible unless you have a big kite or are on a directional hence some had to turn around.

I understand it is a wind dependant event, but the forecast was never great, it was far from it. You could tell there wasn't going to be a seabreeze down that end of the bay. I just don't understand why it went ahead on day 1 of 4 possible days in these conditions.
noodelsrominov
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22 Feb 2016 9:43am
Kaha said...
noodelsrominov said..

I'm happy to struggle a bit on the water to show my support to those going though cancer and the life it brings. Yes, I might have a different view on the event if the wind didn't come but it did and to me that signifies a happy ending.


The wind got stronger in the channel (middle of the bay) but it did not get stronger for the 1km from the beach to the channel. For some it was not a struggle it was impossible. The wind was dropping continuously on the beach, when launching started it was probably already less than 15knots when launching got down to the end it was a lot less. 17m kites were falling out of the sky not just the standard sizes. Travelling 1km in less than 12 knots is not possible unless you have a big kite or are on a directional hence some had to turn around.

I understand it is a wind dependant event, but the forecast was never great, it was far from it. You could tell there wasn't going to be a seabreeze down that end of the bay. I just don't understand why it went ahead on day 1 of 4 possible days in these conditions.


I cannot talk for others but my kite was always in the air (until I dropped it about 700m from the finish line...) It was an 11m and I was on a twin tip I was probably around the 10th or so kite launched. Maybe it dropped off more after I left the beach. There was a couple of minutes when I was sitting a km out in the water waiting for the wind to pick up but I just kept flying the kite. I did look around and there were a few kites in the water, some further out than me some closer. Maybe the larger kites were to slow in the air to keep moving.

Anyway I'm sure if you email your feedback to the organizers they will take it on board.
SaltySinus
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22 Feb 2016 12:17pm
First time doing the KATB. Done other downwinders previously. Very light wind to start, and first 2km or so was hard yards working the kite... until the wind picked up, fine after that.

It was great to so much of the bay from the water and I personally enjoyed the event and thought it was well organised. Certainly better than any event I've personally organised recently... which is none.

I personally find the wind in Victoria a little more fickle than WA or the trade winds of Queensland, and one is constantly dealing with the wind picking up or dropping off. But after the first 2km or so, I found the breeze steady all the way to Port Melbourne.

Thanks to all those that made it happen (volunteers, organizers, etc.)

TSmith
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22 Feb 2016 2:03pm
First time for me this year, got some fundraising going. Sat in the water for about an hour waiting for the wind to pick up again a few KM off shore, as usual the wind picked up after 4pm.
Loved watching the city get closer from the water it was a great view.

only thing i did feel a bit alone when i was sitting in the water and i couldn't see anyone else for a long time. I caught up to someone else in the water near Brighton who was a bit lost.

overall a great day!

FreeRyder
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26 Feb 2016 12:08am
Unfortunately it sounds like last years event... I've supported and partisipated from the beginning but last years lack of wind and lack of inclusive comradeship made it my last....maybe less riders and money raised is reflective upon such.

Good on those whom raised money and/or partisipated.

To all those whom have been/are battling cancer or lost family &/or friends I empathise and wish you the best.

Celebrate their lives by living your life to the fullest.

Peace, health, life, love & happiness to all.
tomme
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7 Mar 2016 8:16pm
what % of the funds raised went to the cause?

Doing some work on this for a firm at the moment was pretty shocked to know how little money made it to the end.
Peahi
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7 Mar 2016 9:03pm
tomme said..
what % of the funds raised went to the cause?

Doing some work on this for a firm at the moment was pretty shocked to know how little money made it to the end.


When I questioned it, from memory they said around 40% goes to research the rest for more fundraising activities, more marketing, trinkets, tiddlywinks, badges, balls, caps and fundraising, political lobbying, paying themselves, more fundraising etc etc. Charities don't need to make a profit for shareholders so expenses are hardly a concern. Did I mention your money helps them with more fundraising?

Shane Warne wants to get on the boat.

Last year they raised $60k. If they just spent it all on free sunscreen for all on the beach may be a better outcome from a cancer reduction/education perspective.

What were your findings?

noodelsrominov
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7 Mar 2016 10:45pm
It was actually 75k last year and about 25k raised this year which I believe all goes to the cancer council. I'm not sure how they divide up that money.
FreeRyder
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7 Mar 2016 11:13pm
The Cancer Council Victoria is a complete shame... If you want to know why then ask....

Not for profit pfft just for themselves to get tax dodges
noodelsrominov
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8 Mar 2016 2:11pm
Go for it. I know movember gives about 84% and salvos about 70% but not sure what CCV is giving at the moment.
Peahi
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8 Mar 2016 9:35pm
FreeRyder said..
Unfortunately it sounds like last years event... I've supported and partisipated from the beginning but last years lack of wind and lack of inclusive comradeship made it my last....maybe less riders and money raised is reflective upon such.



100% agree.

I was also one of the first 10 to do it and continued until last year, definitely did it for the adventure, comradeship and even tried to raise money.

Last year completely lost my enthusiasm. After floating in the bay waiting for the wind to pick up, I lost my camera, had to pay a parking fine for our driver, all this as well as the entry fee, a whole day lost that I could have spent with my family instead with a leisurely kite in the arvo at my local. I know the organisers put in a lot of work, but the riders do too and this year I decided someone else can take my spot, not that they were all filled.
Smithy
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8 Mar 2016 9:50pm
FreeRyder said..
The Cancer Council Victoria is a complete shame... If you want to know why then ask....

Not for profit pfft just for themselves to get tax dodges


Firstly the efforts of a group raising funds should not be confused with the organisation to which they are donating.

Secondly pretty inflammatory comments without a single shred of information to support the claim...
FreeRyder
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8 Mar 2016 10:39pm
Dude i said to ask not berate...

Do you want to know or just degrade those whom have lost family, friends and loved ones to cancer?

Ask away...?
noodelsrominov
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8 Mar 2016 10:53pm
FreeRyder said...
Dude i said to ask not berate...

Do you want to know or just degrade those whom have lost family, friends and loved ones to cancer?

Ask away...?


Why are they a complete "shame" or do you mean "sham"? Please elaborate.
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