Nothing like a crowd to make you want to send it!

How epic, misses can come to the beach too, have kite, dinner, drinks...win win!

CH3MTR4IL5 said..
or she can drop you off when there's no longer any parking available and it becomes like brighton...

Less parking = locals only. Win win win.

WACruizer said..
City of Joondalup - Kitesurfing - www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/kb/resident/kitesurfing
...the City has established a {READ: THE ONLY} designated kitesurfing area and exclusion zones to ensure the safety of all beach users.
...Rigging, launching and landing activities at Mullaloo must be undertaken within the designated kitesurfing area located between the exclusion zones

City of Joondalup - Mullaloo Beach
www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/place/mullaloo-beach
"Mullaloo Beach is a popular swimming beach..."
The City avoids any suggestion of kitesurfing at Mullaloo Beach.

City of Joondalup - Mullaloo kitesurfing exclusion zones
www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/kb/resident/mullaloo-exclusion-zones
Heading text and map implies there is no designated kitesurfing area at Mullaloo, only exclusion zones.

City of Joondalup - Pinnaroo Point
www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/place/pinnaroo-point
There is NO DESIGNATED KITESURFING AREA AT PINNAROO

...whats your point? there is no 'designated kitesurfing areas' along most of the coastline. so what?

True. But with waterskiing, dogs, horses all permitted at the point the whole area is fairly multi use and ticks all of the other highly conflicting activities, and the spot where this development is proposed is not too far from the exclusion zone to the north.

catalogue.data.wa.gov.au/dataset/96f5afa2-c25e-4b46-99f3-9ca3480d9b21/resource/bc96ab85-d02a-49c1-9fcb-5b9942fd39b4/download/02-joondalup.pdf

Map 8 is a good summary.

i would be happy with just a byo licence for the patch of grass, fish and chips and a beer without the premium prices...!

As a local at Pinnaroo, I've found that as soon as the wind comes in the people sitting on the beach or using a jetski leave anyway and it's just the kiters and windsurfers out on the water.
Doesn't seem many of the other kiters seem fussed what happens after I posted on our facebook page what is happening.
What I don't understand is with the Ocean Reef Mariner being upgraded, why do we need more pubs and restaurants in the area.

CH3MTR4IL5 said..
True. But with waterskiing, dogs, horses all permitted at the point the whole area is fairly multi use and ticks all of the other highly conflicting activities, and the spot where this development is proposed is not too far from the exclusion zone to the north.

catalogue.data.wa.gov.au/dataset/96f5afa2-c25e-4b46-99f3-9ca3480d9b21/resource/bc96ab85-d02a-49c1-9fcb-5b9942fd39b4/download/02-joondalup.pdf

Map 8 is a good summary.

i would be happy with just a byo licence for the patch of grass, fish and chips and a beer without the premium prices...!

Horses gone. The blue hatched zone near the development is the ski zone. Mullaloo SLSC is nearest exclusion zone.

Lorgra said..
As a local at Pinnaroo, I've found that as soon as the wind comes in the people sitting on the beach or using a jetski leave anyway and it's just the kiters and windsurfers out on the water.
Doesn't seem many of the other kiters seem fussed what happens after I posted on our facebook page what is happening.
What I don't understand is with the Ocean Reef Mariner being upgraded, why do we need more pubs and restaurants in the area.

CoJ meeting audio:
www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/play-audio?url=https://api.joondalup.wa.gov.au/files/councilaudio/17-Nov-2020-22h44-1.mp3%0D&title=Ordinary%20Meeting%2017-Nov-2020
01:01:06 Cr Prime spoke about: Project fits perfectly within the City's Strategic Vision. Described Pinnaroo Point as being pristine coastline. Sought election to develop these {once} pristine coastal areas.
Asserted that "the public are crying out..." for development in these areas.
This motion is about execution of a sub-lease and not the development proposal.
The development {which must occur by the terms of the lease} will...
"activate this under-utilised site".
01:13:26Cr Prime added:
"...car parking (is) always a problem"

So Pinnaroo Point is an under-utilised site which the public are crying out for development, but it has car parking problems (already).

Repost from windsurfing forum:

Email to the City of Joondalup
I am a resident of Hillarys and a keen windsurfer. It has been brought to my attention that the City of Joondalup are considering putting a cafe kiosk at Pinaroo Point.

I regularly windsurf at Pinnaroo Point and note that during the summer months parking is already strained with the number of beach goers in the mornings followed by windsurfers, kiters and other water sports enthusiasts in the afternoons. There are literally hundreds of people who rely on this spot for our water sports and a large number of us fear that this development will firstly make access impossible and may ultimately lead to a ban on water sports in the area due to crowds and safety of swimmers and beach goers.

As a concerned resident and water sports enthusiast can you please advise how we get involved in the decision making process before it is too late and we lose a very important watersport community zone.


Response from the City of Joondalup
The City of Joondalup Council recently approved a sublease for an area of land north of the existing main car park at Pinnaroo Point, for the purposes of a new food and beverage facility.

There are no plans to remove kitesurfing, windsurfing or other water activities from the area to cater for the new proposal.

The building itself will be subject to the approval of a Development Application by the Western Australian Planning Commission. The Development Application process will likely take place in the new year and will address the operations of the facility, including car parking demand and traffic impacts.

The City will consider options for additional car parking at Pinnaroo Point to cater for any additional demand that may result if the development of the food and beverage facility proceeds.

Regards
Scott Collins
Senior Projects Officer City of Joondalup
Tel: 08 9400 4292
Fax: 08 9300 1383
Email: [email protected]

psychojoe said..
Ok. If it's to the north around Whitfords beach it should be ok.
I asked for a fisherman's pier up there back when Col was supreme dictator just to get them all off the beach.
I still like the idea of a well placed pier.

Proposed site: 20 John Wilkie Tarn HILLARYS WA 6025 (Lot 501, Plan Number: DP417135)

WACruizer said..
The intent of the facility is to attract more visitors. A percentage of these visitors will go to the beach and or swim. Should this occur, the City has a formula:
CoJ: "Only highly conflicting activities will be subject to exclusion zones, license requirements or designated areas."

It seems apparent that launching and landing of kites would be subject to restrictions with increased beach activity.

Hmmmmm, fixed it.

www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/files/committees/FINC/2017/FINANCE170404_MIN.pdfITEM 7 BURNS BEACH CAF? / RESTAURANT - PROJECT STATUS P47 "Pinnaroo Point...complex negotiations...potentially resulting in marginal financial benefit to the City"

Yet another precious natural place along our city coastline being sacrificed for greed.
Like we need ANOTHER soulless watering hole filled with twats.
Proposed building looks like **** too.
But **** it. Let's screw up something that is becoming rarer and rarer in the world,
and fill a lot of politicians, developers and their mates pockets wit the almighty dollar.
**** 'em.

WACruizer said..
CoJ - Policy, Planning and Research
CoJ are formulating a new 10-year-strategic-community-plan.
www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Shaping-Your-Local-Community-A5-Flyer.pdf

i) Survey: www.joondalup.wa.gov.au/shaping-your-local-community-developing-a-new-10-year-strategic-community-plan?nocache=true

Representatives from local sporting clubs, community groups can register for a workshop:-
ii) Register for workshop(s): events.joondalup.wa.gov.au/event-calendar/event-registration/?ee=23263

Shaping your local community - Developing a new 10-Year Strategic Community Plan - City of Joondalup
Clubs and Groups North Community Workshop
Monday 15 February 2021, 6.00pm - 8.00pm
Connolly Community Centre5 Glenelg Place, Connolly

Clubs and Groups South Community Workshop
Wednesday 31 March 2021, 6.00pm - 8.00pm
Kingsley Memorial Clubroom
68 Kingsley Drive, Kingsley

CoJ have combined the two sessions into one on 31/03:
events.joondalup.wa.gov.au/event-calendar/event-registration/?ee=23262
Clubs and Groups Community Workshop (representatives from local sporting clubs, community groups, volunteers, cultural and arts groups)
Wednesday 31 March 2021, 6.00pm - 8.00pm
Kingsley Memorial Clubroom
68 Kingsley Drive, Kingsley

BeeBee

Pinnas is not in the middle of the city.
The proposed site is not actually bush land, it is barren land and has been for years.
Personally I think it's a positive development, love a coffee and a cake by the beach. ??
As Gazuki says go for a little drive and you can have complete isolation.

Keaw Yed. said..
BeeBee

Pinnas is not in the middle of the city.
The proposed site is not actually bush land, it is barren land and has been for years.
Personally I think it's a positive development, love a coffee and a cake by the beach. ??
As Gazuki says go for a little drive and you can have complete isolation.

api.joondalup.wa.gov.au/files/councilmeetings/2013/CJ130527_MIN.pdf - P61.
* Kiosk: A small permanent or temporary structure, which is often open on one or more sides and is used to sell items such as hot and cold drinks, pre-packaged sandwiches, heated pies and similar.
* Cafe: An informal restaurant serving food and beverages, having indoor seating and
potentially al fresco seating.
There was little opposition to a Cafe / Kiosk where you could get your cake...The proposal is for 913 sq. m. 2 storey building with license, function room and a bar.