landyacht said...

STill too many rules!!!!!

I bow to your experience Paul. In my proposal I tried to make it as simple and succinct as possible while covering all nescessary bases. Only way I can see to reduce the number of rules is to reduce the number of bases.

Should it come down to :-
1. Length.
2. Breadth.
3. Height.
4. Sail Area.
5. Safety.
???? If so, how definitive are these items to be. Should a proveable building budget be applied to encourage amateur construction?

Given the information you received from Eric Engelbrecht of FISLY regarding restricted use of non FISLY approved designs, it would seem there is an obligation on the part of FISLY to publish a set of FISLY approved class 6 specs if in fact they intend having a class 6.

If they do not intend adopting such a class, it would then be up to say, ALSA to publish and class 6 would then be an Australian peculiarity in land yachting.

Further to your conversation with Eric Engelbrecht, it appears the only FISLY approved Promo 5's will be those built by commercial manufacturers in Europe and duly marked with the CE symbol. Is this the case?

Maybe it is time Australia developed a design and manufacturing protocol and certification process and applied a CA symbol to it. That way we might stem the flow of substandard Chinese products that are flooding the country right now.

"It doesn't matter WHAT the rules are. It does matter that you KNOW what they are." or you get .

cisco said...

landyacht said...

STill too many rules!!!!!

I bow to your experience Paul. In my proposal I tried to make it as simple and succinct as possible while covering all nescessary bases. Only way I can see to reduce the number of rules is to reduce the number of bases.

Should it come down to :-
1. Length.
2. Breadth.
3. Height.
4. Sail Area.
5. Safety.

I feel this could work.

<cisco said???? If so, how definitive are these items to be. Should a proveable building budget be applied to encourage amateur construction?

Given the information you received from Eric Engelbrecht of FISLY regarding restricted use of non FISLY approved designs, it would seem there is an obligation on the part of FISLY to publish a set of FISLY approved class 6 specs if in fact they intend having a class 6.

If they do not intend adopting such a class, it would then be up to say, ALSA to publish and class 6 would then be an Australian peculiarity in land yachting.>


Whoa..a little of track from what Paul meant. He is talking about what is happening in Europe with FISLY endoresed events. Event such as the Pacrim are currently ourside FISLY. At non FISLY events such as the Pacrims or some other open event you can do as you please however if at some stage we wanted to run a worlds here in Australia one day it would need to be under FISLY's banner and by there rules.
Cisco said<
Further to your conversation with Eric Engelbrecht, it appears the only FISLY approved Promo 5's will be those built by commercial manufacturers in Europe and duly marked with the CE symbol. Is this the case?>


Not necessarily, a home built Promo would be allowed provided in conformed to specs. It is accessing the materials that *may* become problomatic as it presently seems that in Europe that some of the materials *may* be only available via commericial manufacturers, however with some questions still remaining on translations and interepretations this is not 100% certain.

FISLY is not interested in class 6 - This is just a quirky Australian thing. There is talk about Blokart becoming a monoclass with FISLY (just like standart) however I think at the moment this is just talk.
It is up to ALSA as the governing body in Aus to lay down the rules for a class that only exists in Australia. Any changes to class rules should be done in an open and accountable manner with time for discussion and debate by all interested parties and via the correct procedures at outlined in the constitution...off soap box
cisco said<
Maybe it is time Australia developed a design and manufacturing protocol and certification process and applied a CA symbol to it. That way we might stem the flow of substandard Chinese products that are flooding the country right now.>


Now thats a scary thought!

cisco said<
"It doesn't matter WHAT the rules are. It does matter that you KNOW what they are." >





agreed!

[b]hills said
Right, so the problem is we can't build them out of wood?? Nah, just kidding. Obvioulsy I'll have to re-read all the specs, I'm sure that will make it clearer to me, I missed the part about using expensive materials. I just thought you had to use round square or rectangular metal tubes.

Let me re-read the specs for all classes when I get a chance and I'll stop asking such silly questions... promise!

Hi Hills, I am always going back and re-reading specs, confusingly there are various editions around too so it can be confusing. I do not think your questions are silly either. It is good to question, thats how we all learn

No you cant build it from wood. ( Promogirl is trying to find a photo)
The wooden chook was indeed built from acrate and was as fast as a club 88. The combination of a deep wooden hull ,springy rear axle and a rig that lays over as the rear lowers is exactly what you need to achieve in a class 5. Bill Finch achieved this in 1987 and that was the end of what should have become a massive leap in development.
With talk of the Aussie cl 6 coming back I had been accumulating materials for a new yacht but with the new rules it is not to be. The best rear axle timber is old Table planks of huon pine or even better King Billy salvaged from a tip at no or little cost adds to the achievement.
(This post contains technical data that should be retained by any potential yacht builders. )
Cheers

I had heard that a new class was passed by ALSA. Been a while since I have been to the forum and mow read the new class rules. Seems to me to be close to a class 5 not so much a mini yatch. Is there going to be a mini yatch class?

G'Day Brian, welcome back to land sailing we had all thought you had dropped of the face of the earth the last 15 or so years. Glad to hear you have found us. If you search back though some of the earlier sea breeze posts you will find reference to your 1985 class 6 specs. We were all happy to resurrect class 6 around those original specifications however it appears ALSA has changed the class specs in the last month to a much more rigid set of rules that will not allow some of the existing commerical yachts.

I am still looking for a photo of the wooden chook, Bill Finches amazing class 6 yacht circa 87/88. I am sure you to would have some photos hidden away of some of the yachts we used to sail back then?

Anyway glad to have you back, are you sailing at all at the moment?
Susan

gizmo1160 said...

Im very certain many people wouldnt be inspired with the design of 20 year old cars these days.

Ahem!! With a 1985 VK Brock commodore in the garage, I'll pretend I didn't hear that.

Oky you got it dude.Titles will be fantastic!!!