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samsturdy
samsturdy
NSW
1659 posts
NSW, 1659 posts
6 Jun 2017 2:11pm
OK MB, yes you would know Pittwater well and also would know how the wind can play havoc, sometimes
I just want an uninterrupted pleasant sail.....but noooo, instead I'm working like a one armed wall paper hanger
coping with the breeze trying to keep on track for Lion Island.....oh well.
blackswan
blackswan
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
6 Jun 2017 1:53pm
Hi just my 2c worth: sailing a 40ft Hanse with a fin keel, the Simrad autopilot could not cope downwind with quartering swell. We hand steered from Hobart to Perth and sailed most of the way with a poled out Genny. The autopilot is fine for sailing on a beam reach (or thereabouts) but I wouldn't rely on it for running in seas. We had 15-30 knots behind us most of the way and even the less experienced helms were much better than the autopilot.
We did test running a drogue in case the weather did get bad, and that worked really well to slow the boat and give directional stability. I would take one anytime I go seriously offshore.
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
2195 posts
QLD, 2195 posts
6 Jun 2017 4:21pm
samsturdy said..
So, if you're sailing single handed in reasonable conditions and your pilot is missing/broken would
you consider lashing the tiller to the centreline to give yourself a break ??.


heave to. or in my case ill be sheet to tiller in most winds except on a run. I looove sheet to tiller. its flawless just doesnt work downwind
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
2195 posts
QLD, 2195 posts
6 Jun 2017 4:24pm
LittleBoris said..
Also reading this with interest, what are peoples thoughts on the Simrad Tiller Pliots vs the Raymarine Tiler pilots?

Any thoughts on upsides or downsides to either brand would be appreciated.


just bought a tp22 and looking forward to it. looks really easy to install. still here in the box. i hear raymarines have great customer support but i also hear you need it.
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
2195 posts
QLD, 2195 posts
6 Jun 2017 4:26pm
boty said..

Sectorsteve said..
A few of the comments suggest here in 30knots and swell to be running just a small jib.
In my tophat returning north from Jervis Bay recently my sail plan started as a reefed main and my full hanked on reefable jib.
Seas = 2-3 m, wind 25- 30knots. Sailed due east form hole in the wall mooring and once near point perpendicular i stowed the main and decided to run with the jib only.
This was mostly fine, but around Crocodile head(outer JB) was a washing machine and around Gerringong was also large swell.
I think i would have had more stability with reefed main and a number 3 and sailing across the waves slightly. The boat was a bit hard to manage dead downwind in these conditions and for an auto pilot it would have been also because after this 6 hours of pretty fast sailing my arm was rooted.
I regretted this Sail plan later and it was really out of fear that i did it this way as i have the downhaul on the jib and can manage it from the cockpit.
I since heard somewhere that Tophats arent ideal dead downwind and im still yet to try this in a moderate/large seastate.
Reading Steve Dashews books confirms this, but he also says all boats are different.
I know this topic is about autohelm or not, and ive lately been a shocker for deviating off topic - im sorry, but im curious to hear what others think of sailing dead downwind in a large-ish sea with a certain sailplan. How do you do it to minimise stress on the rudder. Im looking forward to trying both sails next time in similar conditions because i have a feeling ill have more control and that therell be less pressure on the tiller/rudder.



when running square always balance the sail plan ie full main spinnaker full main poled out no 1 reefed main poled out no 2 and so forth this will mitigate major roll and also make the boat much lighter on the helm then you can just enjoy sailing
even the most expensive of autopilots wont correct for a badly balanced boat or poor hull design


Thanks Boty. makes sense and thats where i went wrong that day! Im just lucky the tophat is a gentle kind boat that got us there - in good time too! ended up with one arm like a crab
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
6 Jun 2017 4:55pm
blackswan said..
Hi just my 2c worth: sailing a 40ft Hanse with a fin keel, the Simrad autopilot could not cope downwind with quartering swell. We hand steered from Hobart to Perth and sailed most of the way with a poled out Genny. The autopilot is fine for sailing on a beam reach (or thereabouts) but I wouldn't rely on it for running in seas. We had 15-30 knots behind us most of the way and even the less experienced helms were much better than the autopilot.
We did test running a drogue in case the weather did get bad, and that worked really well to slow the boat and give directional stability. I would take one anytime I go seriously offshore.


Yep, although the SIMRAD says up to 40 or so ft I reckon my 34 ft is about its limit in anything outside the normal.
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