Boat "stolen" on Trailer?

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Yara
Yara
NSW
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NSW, 1322 posts
1 Jun 2017 10:26am
MichaelR said..

MorningBird said..
I don't have a problem with any of these issues in Sydney and love the city and lifestyle.
I haven't been fined for parking or anything else.
I obey the rules and pay my way. I use public transport a lot even though I own a few cars (a sucker for old British sports cars). The traffic sometimes gets to me but usually because I made the mistake of going somewhere in peak hour.
Maybe some people have an attitude problem.



True MB. The only time people get upset about Sydney is when they expect something more than what they get. I live on the Northern Beaches, pay a mortgage and only work part time. Thankfully my wife works full time, but we still manage to own a small boat, on a mooring, run two cars and a motorcycle. (used to be three bikes, but....) If you have the mind set that it's busy, and everyone is just trying to do their thing, then you'll be fine. Where else in the world can you surf on any one of 20 + beaches within an hours drive, sail on your choice of two gorgeous waterways and then on the same evening see a world class performance at a world class venue such as the Opera House. Sure, that's not everyone's cuppa, but for those of us who grew up here, it's a great place to live. Sometimes it's also a great place to get away from too.

At the local beach, the toilets are always in good order, with paper. The beach showers work and there's also fresh, filtered drinking water. The pavement and parking area is usually clean and there are recycling and rubbish bins close to all the picnic tables. The playground is well kept and clean and safe, including a safety fence. It's these things the parking fees, and council rates pay for. If you're not a rate payer, and you don't want to pay the parking costs, perhaps using the services is not for you.

Some people like the Northern Beaches so much they park their cars/boats/trailers in my street and leave them there for months while they live elsewhere. Two months ago, one was parked so close to my driveway that I risked an accident every time I drove out. It was there for about 6 weeks. When he finally came to move it, I asked him why. He just said, it was easier for him to leave it there, than tow it to Penrith. I gave him a beer, and told him he should think more carefully about where he parked, so at least I didn't have to risk a crash, because I couldn't see around it. He was very apologetic, and when it came back to the street, he'd parked outside some one else' house. With plenty of room to move around it. Being a boat owner, I could understand his plight, but I can sure understand why some others would simply call the council, or the Police and ask it to be removed. Especially if it was impeding access. There are rules for a reason, but often a lot of people don't realise they're not doing the right thing until they're told.



So this is an example of why NSW councils have brought in unreasonable rules for everybody. It is a problem at boat ramps, but they have expanded to everywhere, even councils which don't have any boat ramps. It should be about parking your boat at your home and not leaving at the ramp. Or more simply, limiting boat trailer parking in particular areas to say, 1 week. So easy, instead or stupid rules wasting council officer's time and harassing homeowners who need to park their boat outside their home.
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
2195 posts
QLD, 2195 posts
1 Jun 2017 10:39am
We really need to take a leaf out of europes book. Villages. theres alot of people in Europe but its organised. Villages. small villages, everywhere. no wheres packed or congested really. Germany has 80 million people most of them in nordrhein westphalia and even there it isnt that congested. Once an area gets to a million people and over - its stuffed. Battery hens...it aint natural.
MichaelR
MichaelR
NSW
862 posts
NSW, 862 posts
1 Jun 2017 12:11pm
Sectorsteve said..
We really need to take a leaf out of europes book. Villages. theres alot of people in Europe but its organised. Villages. small villages, everywhere. no wheres packed or congested really. Germany has 80 million people most of them in nordrhein westphalia and even there it isnt that congested. Once an area gets to a million people and over - its stuffed. Battery hens...it aint natural.


Maybe so Steve, Berlin 3.5 Million. Paris 2.3 Million. London 8.6 Million. So Sydney is about half way between Berlin and London in population. If you burrow further, Munich and Frankfurt, the two next in line to Berlin are over two million each. They're all congested at times, some more than others, but just try driving from Nice to Monaco in the summer. Or perhaps Avignon to Nice is worse. We queued for 40 minutes to get through a toll booth, then couldn't get off at the village we wanted, because the population wasn't large enough to warrant an exit ramp. We had to travel another 20 odd km to get off and double back. That being said, there is a lot of infrastructure we should be investing in, however we don't have the population to support it.

If you want to see busy, corrupt and extremely difficult to live in, visit Cairo 9 Million or Istanbul a staggering 14 million. It may not be natural to some who were never brought up in a city, but to others it's either necessary or quite normal to them.

The only reason Sydney and Melbourne are so crowded is that services and infrastructure, as well as a wide choice of education and employment are just not available in places more than 100 km from the cities. Unlike Europe, where you can get from Berlin to Munich in half a day, by road or train. You can drive to Paris for dinner from London. It also means you canb live in a quiet village and drive or ride to work in a large centre quite easily. It's just different, not better or worse, but different. It's what makes the world interesting and worth exploring. Australia is a big land area, and by comparison very sparsely populated, except for the cities

But this has nothing to do with a stolen boat. ... although in Singapore, with a population of over 5 million in 700 square km (Sydney metro is 12,000 square km) if you can't fulfill the Certificate of Entitlement criteria, you can't even buy a car, let alone have a boat parked in the street.
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3585 posts
NSW, 3585 posts
1 Jun 2017 3:38pm
I love Sydney.... it's so nice that all the people stay there and leave us alone.

Seriously, my last job in Sydney was a temporary one at a council. Unlike my own, this was seriously switched on and efficient. They deal with an enormous amount of stuff, including many people with conflicting viewpoints. Sure, from one point of view we should be able to leave our boats on the street, but the people who get home with a car full of screaming kids and see spots taken up by boats 24/7 are understandably annoyed from their viewpoint. There is no way to satisfy us all in the current climate of high immigration rates and governments without the vision to decentralise.

There is a complete lack of connection between the move to high-density housing and the way many of us want to live. Governments just don't understand that active people with interests that go further than work and cafes actually need places to put stuff. They also seem to worship at the altar of "passive recreation", but many of the "passive recreation" acres around our old place in Sydney were always empty. The places for active recreation (running tracks, sportsfields, waterfronts near clubs) were packed to the gills and crowded, but apparently acres of space had to be reserved in case someone wanted a picnic well away from anyone else.

The boating industry doesn't help - it seems to only be interested in people with big budgets and promotes the activity to them. One of my clubs had major issues convincing the council that our members with Endeavour 24s were not actually multi millionaires, but people who spent about as much as a backyard pool on their hobby.
9 posts
8 Jun 2017 3:27pm
Those A holes should get tracked or entrapped and put into jail!
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