Importing a yacht into Australia

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Sterlo1968
Sterlo1968
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23 Nov 2016 9:01pm
Hey guys and girls,

We are looking at buying a yacht from either Greece or the USA and sailing it back to Australia.

Has anyone done this and can you tell me what your experiences in importing it into Australia and how difficult or easy it was or wasn't.

Cheers Steve
HG02
HG02
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24 Nov 2016 12:11am


Know the boat you buy when sailing back here
Make sure the rigging is in best order Don't believe every person assessment when you buy overseas
I don't mean to be disrespectful of any one the the marine trade.
As the boat in the video it only had a 12 hp motor so when the riggin failed he had no option than abandon her.
HG02
HG02
VIC
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24 Nov 2016 12:19am
These lots of people out there in the world that can make a pigs ear into a silk purse
Good luck and fair winds
cisco
cisco
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QLD, 12365 posts
24 Nov 2016 1:44am

This topic has been done over so many times on this forum.

Why do you want to buy a yacht from a foreign country and sail it back here?

If you think you are going to get a yacht cheaper than you can buy here or you might make a profit on it, you are living in La La Land.
cisco
cisco
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24 Nov 2016 1:46am

Anybody who starts a question or an advertisement with "Hey Guys" is a dead set backpacker trying to run a scam.
LALancer
LALancer
WA
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WA, 40 posts
24 Nov 2016 12:50am
Bit of topic, but there was a Lionel Van Praag who was a great speedway rider. I saw him ride at Newcastle Speedway in NSW when I was a young boy about 1950.Just befour he retired.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
24 Nov 2016 2:59am
LALancer said..
Bit of topic, but there was a Lionel Van Praag who was a great speedway rider. I saw him ride at Newcastle Speedway in NSW when I was a young boy about 1950.Just befour he retired.


Really!! Tell us more.
Bristolfashion
Bristolfashion
VIC
490 posts
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24 Nov 2016 1:46pm
I'm with Cisco if those are the reasons. However you might want a boat unavailable in Australia or fancy combining a purchase with a particular trip. We've chatted about buying in the uk, doing Europe then States and back across Pacific. Of course, uk or America would be relatively easy with same language and pretty good consumer protection. Some other countries would be a whole different game.

Planning to make money from the whole thing is a mug's game.

The information on the relevant gov website is clear and easy to follow.

Cheers

Bristol
brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
24 Nov 2016 2:40pm
HG02 said..


Know the boat you buy when sailing back here
Make sure the rigging is in best order Don't believe every person assessment when you buy overseas
I don't mean to be disrespectful of any one the the marine trade.
As the boat in the video it only had a 12 hp motor so when the riggin failed he had no option than abandon her.


Sterlo didn't seem to imply that he was intending to sell the import.
When I get my long awaited inheritance....straight to Europe/UK or the US to buy a boat.
Ten times the choice and whilst we here are presently in a buyers market same applys everywhere.....possibly even more so in US.
Sterlo, Customs will determine the value of the boat you import.
If you paid eg $us 20k, but they reckon you really paid, or should have paid 40k then 40 it is. If some nice person overseas gives you a boat for free then you will pay one eleventh of Customs valuation.
Unless of course you register it in country of purchase and then in that situation (for import duty exemption) you have to get out of Oz after ??? 12 months to a legit overseas port for a certain period of time before you can re-enter Oz without importation.
Other thing, US boats run 120 volts unlike our 240. Often problematic.
I'm sure my next boat will come from o/s.

dkd
dkd
SA
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24 Nov 2016 3:35pm

I bought my boat in NZ and imported it. The NZ end was easy, this end and absolute pain in the arse. And it is not just the usual taxes, it is GST on everything, including wharf fees, storage whilst inspection being done etc etc etc and trust me, they find ways to charge you, Customs, AQIS and then re-visits etc. including when they sent some bimbo down who did not even know how to open the hatch. That was annoying but nothing I could do about it.

And in the end they missed things like fuel, pyrotechnics (flares) all banned imports.

Was it worth, absolutely as the Kiwis have the insane ability to make yachts go fast.


brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
24 Nov 2016 4:34pm
cisco said..

This topic has been done over so many times on this forum.

Why do you want to buy a yacht from a foreign country and sail it back here?

If you think you are going to get a yacht cheaper than you can buy here or you might make a profit on it, you are living in La La Land.



HG02 said..
These lots of people out there in the world that can make a pigs ear into a silk purse
Good luck and fair winds



Dead right Haydn. I call ,em " Snake Oil Salesmen ". I few of them around at the moment, esp in America.
And 50% of the voters there reckon that what I see as a pigs ear, they see as a silk purse.
Sorry every body, I'm still in shock.
brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
24 Nov 2016 4:40pm
dkd said..

I bought my boat in NZ and imported it. The NZ end was easy, this end and absolute pain in the arse. And it is not just the usual taxes, it is GST on everything, including wharf fees, storage whilst inspection being done etc etc etc and trust me, they find ways to charge you, Customs, AQIS and then re-visits etc. including when they sent some bimbo down who did not even know how to open the hatch. That was annoying but nothing I could do about it.

And in the end they missed things like fuel, pyrotechnics (flares) all banned imports.

Was it worth, absolutely as the Kiwis have the insane ability to make yachts go fast.




Bloody hell DKD. You've given me a big wake up. I'd forgotten about all the bureaucratic bull****. Quarranbloodytine.
Nuh !!! Buy in OZ. I don't care how fast the Kiwis build boats.
Done and dusted.
shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
QLD
2680 posts
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24 Nov 2016 4:22pm
Don't forget gas systems. My euro boat came brand new. I had all the compliance certificates, and it turns out every country has their own gas rules.i have a gas stove and the bottle sits in a lazarette locker. 3-5K to replace a brand new gas system with an Aussie gas system.
Ouch.
brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
24 Nov 2016 8:21pm
shaggybaxter said..
Don't forget gas systems. My euro boat came brand new. I had all the compliance certificates, and it turns out every country has their own gas rules.i have a gas stove and the bottle sits in a lazarette locker. 3-5K to replace a brand new gas system with an Aussie gas system.
Ouch.


Just unbelievable. CAVEAT EMPTOR......means ...buyer beware.
The Sale of Goods Act essentially puts the onus on the buyer re: suitability/fit for use. Legally we are required to be our own expert in the field of purchase.
A brand new boat from Europe with an unusable stove. Bloody shocking.

brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
24 Nov 2016 8:23pm
Mmnn. Went to your images. Saw the boat (I think).
shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
QLD
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QLD, 2680 posts
24 Nov 2016 7:57pm
Sorry, its a bit of a mess.

Grey hull, blue edges on white kite!
brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
24 Nov 2016 10:34pm
shaggybaxter said..
Sorry, its a bit of a mess.

Grey hull, blue edges on white kite!


A way to cook grub would be good.
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
24 Nov 2016 10:51pm
shaggybaxter said..
Don't forget gas systems. My euro boat came brand new. I had all the compliance certificates, and it turns out every country has their own gas rules.i have a gas stove and the bottle sits in a lazarette locker. 3-5K to replace a brand new gas system with an Aussie gas system.
Ouch.



every state has its own rules and to fit gas to a car you need to get a licence for every state you will work in I did the course in Vic years ago but when I found out you could only use it in Victoria I never paid for the license , To me isa just another way state governments public services keep there jobs
Its the same with earth moving machinery a assessment certificate on a earth moving machine in Vic wont be recognised in NSW you need a mirror on a small excavator in NSW so the certificates are different . Joke Joke Joke.
They cover there Bums well.
Hopefully one days every ones cost might be reduced when a federal Government takes over all theses things as an example car rego . one reg for all of Australia. So if a car get stolen it might have less chance of rebirthing in another state.
A Car in NSW needs a roadworthy every 12 months I think , where as a car in Vic only when it changed hands so imagine what sort of condition Vic cars are then Vic trucks scary I think
Toph
Toph
WA
1890 posts
WA, 1890 posts
24 Nov 2016 8:29pm
^^^ In WA, you don't even need one when changing hands
brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
24 Nov 2016 11:29pm
HG02 said..

shaggybaxter said..
Don't forget gas systems. My euro boat came brand new. I had all the compliance certificates, and it turns out every country has their own gas rules.i have a gas stove and the bottle sits in a lazarette locker. 3-5K to replace a brand new gas system with an Aussie gas system.
Ouch.




every state has its own rules and to fit gas to a car you need to get a licence for every state you will work in I did the course in Vic years ago but when I found out you could only use it in Victoria I never paid for the license , To me isa just another way state governments public services keep there jobs
Its the same with earth moving machinery a assessment certificate on a earth moving machine in Vic wont be recognised in NSW you need a mirror on a small excavator in NSW so the certificates are different . Joke Joke Joke.
They cover there Bums well.
Hopefully one days every ones cost might be reduced when a federal Government takes over all theses things as an example car rego . one reg for all of Australia. So if a car get stolen it might have less chance of rebirthing in another state.
A Car in NSW needs a roadworthy every 12 months I think , where as a car in Vic only when it changed hands so imagine what sort of condition Vic cars are then Vic trucks scary I think


Yep, every year car must pass really tough tests. One single drop of oil....anywhere...fail.
Poor wheel alignment fail.
Battery not properly secured fail
Faded tai light lens fail
Wiper rubbers not wiping properly fail
But, we save lives.
No doubt about it.
I'd do them for free if necessary.

Donk107
Donk107
TAS
2446 posts
TAS, 2446 posts
25 Nov 2016 6:06am
When i worked at a workshop in NSW we used to do pink slips and if the vehicle had a spare tyre that was worn it would fail but if the vehicle didn't have a spare tyre it would pass

Regards Don
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
25 Nov 2016 6:24am
Donk107 said..
When i worked at a workshop in NSW we used to do pink slips and if the vehicle had a spare tyre that was worn it would fail but if the vehicle didn't have a spare tyre it would pass

Regards Don


Crazy is in it
brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
25 Nov 2016 8:40am
HG02 said..

Donk107 said..
When i worked at a workshop in NSW we used to do pink slips and if the vehicle had a spare tyre that was worn it would fail but if the vehicle didn't have a spare tyre it would pass

Regards Don



Crazy is in it


Not crazy Hayd'.
If the spare is potentially dangerous and is later fitted the the result can be fatal.
If a car doesn't have a spare tyre then there is no additional risk. Less risk, car off the road.
Probably done that one fifty times. People usually not aware of bald spare and are grateful.
AND...always at pains to point out that repairs can be done at owners choice of repairer. Often I'm too busy to attend to rejected repairs for a week or more and rego is due to TODAY!
Have often rung competitors to see if they can do work for customer. Spent ages helping people stuck, always no fee.
Sorry for rant.
dkd
dkd
SA
131 posts
dkd dkd
SA, 131 posts
25 Nov 2016 10:33am

Have a had a smile/laugh about this thread.

bureaucratic rubbish we all suffer on daily basis. Look at marine quals, especially non- AMSA issued tickets, technically only able to be used in state of issue. Will be glad to see the end of state tickets, altho not overly impressed with AMSA either.

But the comment about gas fitters was the funniest, worked at one stage of my life on high pressure gas system, and mean high, but the idiots in Melbourne did not consider experience suitable for low pressure systems .... go figure.

And cars and trucks a whole different "kettle of fish"

We wont ever be one country until we start to stop the petty bickering and come to some standard commonsense laws and regs. .... My opinion.


brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
25 Nov 2016 11:43am
A little sorry about this thread drift.....states and their high and low pressure tickets.
Watched a program on SBS last night about the illegal gun trade in the US. Fifty states and fifty totally different laws with no interstate control.
Buy a Glock in Chicago for $600, sell it in New York out of the boot of you car for $2,000. (Boot of the BMW !!). Makes our pressure gas and car laws mild by comparison.
For me, same laws for the whole country, get rid of many bureaucrats and associated costs.
PROMISE to not thread deviate again.......if chastised for it!
If it's good for the brain then why not, rule violations not withstanding.
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
25 Nov 2016 12:18pm
Image how much money would be saved if we didn't have state governments
A lot less pigs in the trough
Heaps of poly super payments and no dogs in a chauffeured limousines
And all the trimmings free OS trips ect
brianlara3
brianlara3
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
25 Nov 2016 12:50pm
Mate, I sent you a message about brazing and power generation.
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3585 posts
NSW, 3585 posts
25 Nov 2016 2:14pm
On the other hand, windsurfers in NSW are now subject to the stupid laws about lifejacket use that we managed to fight off (using evidence from Life Saving Aust's experts, for example) years ago - because people want to have the same laws in every state. So there's definitely a downside to having uniform laws.
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
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NSW, 3585 posts
25 Nov 2016 2:18pm
HG02 said..

As the boat in the video it only had a 12 hp motor so when the riggin failed he had no option than abandon her.


There were lots of options. You can finish the Sydney-Hobart after losing your mast and still not be last, so you can certainly get home with no stick. Many, many boats have.
tomooh
tomooh
276 posts
276 posts
25 Nov 2016 3:36pm
dkd said..

I bought my boat in NZ and imported it. The NZ end was easy, this end and absolute pain in the arse. And it is not just the usual taxes, it is GST on everything, including wharf fees, storage whilst inspection being done etc etc etc and trust me, they find ways to charge you, Customs, AQIS and then re-visits etc. including when they sent some bimbo down who did not even know how to open the hatch. That was annoying but nothing I could do about it.

And in the end they missed things like fuel, pyrotechnics (flares) all banned imports.

Was it worth, absolutely as the Kiwis have the insane ability to make yachts go fast.




I bought a cat in Qld last year and imported it to NZ not much hassle at all in Aus and in NZ just had to pay about 20% of purchase plus any delivery costs, funny thing is the boat had been built in UK , imported to France then USA then Aus and now NZ , and would have paid duty 4 times over the years. You can buy a boat anywhere if the price is right, and as some have said it would be quite a trip if you have the time to bring a boat from Europe or USA to Aus or NZ, and mostly downwind sailing if you pick the seasons. Either that or buy a cheaper boat in the overseas area you would like to sail and then resell it after a few months or so, no need to sail around the world if you don,t want to.

kimtrang
kimtrang
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55 posts
1 Feb 2017 8:02am
brianlara3 said.. Other thing, US boats run 120 volts unlike our 240. Often problematic.
I'm sure my next boat will come from o/s.



Hi, my first post. I have bought a boat imported from the US with a shore power connection that I wish to connect to a small generator, mainly so I can use the battery charger that came with it. It is a 100-240v 50/60 charger. It has a Marinco inlet, Marinco power lead and Blue Sea 120 volt 60hz power board with reverse polarity which I'm not entirely sure does. There is nothing else with 120v power on board, apart from 120v outlets. My understanding is that the wiring should be OK, being 30 amp as opposed to 15 amp and that the fuses need to changed to 15 amp.

Can I connect the Marinco power lead to a generator (probably Honda Eu20i) by changing the US male plug to a standard Au male plug?

Would I need to change the 150v Blue Sea panel meter? Is there anything I'd need to change?

Obviously, I wouldn't be able to plug into the grid without getting it certified.

Thank You. Any help would be highly appreciated.




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