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Created by theselkie > 9 months ago, 21 Nov 2018
julesmoto
NSW, 1208 posts
1 Nov 2023 9:16AM
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Who uses the traveller to Stb or centralised anyway! Hey after all the washboards go to the cockpit floor for unobstructed crew and wave access so why have anything else in the way.


Jolene
WA, 1552 posts
1 Nov 2023 8:41AM
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Looks like the traveller car rail can slide off to the port side for storage ,, well thought of if that's the case.

julesmoto
NSW, 1208 posts
1 Nov 2023 2:05PM
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Jolene said..
Looks like the traveller car rail can slide off to the port side for storage ,, well thought of if that's the case.




Well spotted although it looks like it would restrict the total width a bit. Never seen such a setup before. Would want to make damn sure it was locked while in use. Probably couldn't use the system on any larger or more modern beamy yacht.

Still not a fan of the washboards coming down so low although I guess you could leave the bottom one permanently in while sailing which would kind of defeat the purpose anyway.

EastCoastSail
126 posts
1 Nov 2023 12:54PM
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You're right on the Raven the traveller slides to port when not in use. I have been told there are Ravens in the NZ charter fleet. This is a positive for Charters, I don't mind the idea also as the Raven has a very short cockpit.

cammd
QLD, 3448 posts
10 Nov 2023 10:10AM
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yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/spray-36/301065

looks like good value

0llie
NSW, 163 posts
11 Nov 2023 7:24PM
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yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/duncanson-37-centre-cockpit/302821

Could do a lot with the $50,000 + spare change

cammd
QLD, 3448 posts
14 Nov 2023 12:13PM
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and still have a heap of problems

julesmoto
NSW, 1208 posts
3 Dec 2023 6:05PM
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So what's going on with the main sail on this Tophat? Did someone mount a headsail furler behind the mast?
Cheap enough if the diesel and rig is any good.

www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/353880770386764/?mibextid=dXMIcH

garymalmgren
1086 posts
3 Dec 2023 8:09PM
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Some sort of vertical roller furling.
No photo of it unfurled, though.
No anti-UV cover by the look of it,
Wonder how it goes.

Gary

MAGNESIUM
105 posts
4 Dec 2023 3:57AM
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julesmoto said..
So what's going on with the main sail on this Tophat? Did someone mount a headsail furler behind the mast?
Cheap enough if the diesel and rig is any good.

www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/353880770386764/?mibextid=dXMIcH


I have seen a yacht set up with this system he used a standard furler and had the main recut , I didn't think much of it until we got hit with a gale on a passage and he was furled in seconds .

julesmoto
NSW, 1208 posts
4 Dec 2023 3:42PM
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Strange that someone would go to the trouble on an old and small yacht where sail handling is already fairly easy.
Still can't see where the actual furler drum might be. One would have thought that unless it was a very expensive bespoke screw system worth more than the boat the drum should be visible above the gooseneck which would also waste a fair bit of sail area between the boom and the tack.
Not in evidence in this picture where the standard headsail furler is visible and useful for scale(although rather high of the deck).

tarquin1
931 posts
4 Dec 2023 2:34PM
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In the first 2 pics it looks like in mast furling. Then there are some pics with the sail lashed around the mast. So I would say in mast furling is jammed and the sail has been lashed to the mast.

julesmoto
NSW, 1208 posts
4 Dec 2023 5:50PM
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tarquin1 said..
In the first 2 pics it looks like in mast furling. Then there are some pics with the sail lashed around the mast. So I would say in mast furling is jammed and the sail has been lashed to the mast.


Agreed but still an expensive and unnecessary system for a Tophat.
Are the fore and aft lowers a give away or do they normally have these?

r13
NSW, 1417 posts
4 Dec 2023 9:38PM
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julesmoto said..

tarquin1 said..
In the first 2 pics it looks like in mast furling. Then there are some pics with the sail lashed around the mast. So I would say in mast furling is jammed and the sail has been lashed to the mast.



Agreed but still an expensive and unnecessary system for a Tophat.
Are the fore and aft lowers a give away or do they normally have these?


Yes all yachts of that era with in-line spreaders (straight our laterally) had either fore and aft lowers (ie both) or just aft lowers and inner stay (not far fwd of the mast step) to stop the mast pumping fore and aft in a seaway. The inner stay was a pain when tacking. Hence aft swept spreaders were devised with main shrouds and lower diagonals to the same chainplates and no aft or fwd lowers or inner stay needed. On a world cruise I would prefer a belts and braces aft and fwd lower stay set up.

PLanter4
NSW, 81 posts
12 Dec 2023 7:07PM
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Absolutely Lovely Gilcraft 27,on the Gippsland Lakes ,with Websters at Paynesville . Seldom seen,and based back to Couta Boat .so has lovely lines . Was one on the reef,in N Queensland - Ideal !!
Mason

Woohoo
QLD, 56 posts
15 Dec 2023 9:19AM
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Thoughts on this as a good Tassie cruiser?
It has a Lister diesel?

yachthub.com/list/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/adams-36/304326

cisco
QLD, 12310 posts
15 Dec 2023 11:34AM
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These boats have always been well respected as a motor sailer. I have seen a few where the lines have been expanded out to 40-42 feet.

I believe they sail reasonably well but for the size and displacement I would require at least a 50 hp engine, say a 2500 cc six cylinder would be about right.

Maybe compare this one with the other.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/adams-traditional-36/303285

Woohoo
QLD, 56 posts
15 Dec 2023 12:03PM
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cisco said..
These boats have always been well respected as a motor sailer. I have seen a few where the lines have been expanded out to 40-42 feet.

I believe they sail reasonably well but for the size and displacement I would require at least a 50 hp engine, say a 2500 cc six cylinder would be about right.

Maybe compare this one with the other.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/adams-traditional-36/303285


Thanks Cisco

Yara
NSW, 1250 posts
15 Dec 2023 2:11PM
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tarquin1 said..
In the first 2 pics it looks like in mast furling. Then there are some pics with the sail lashed around the mast. So I would say in mast furling is jammed and the sail has been lashed to the mast.


I think it is just an alternative to tying the sail onto the boom. Would not be easy to unfurl at sea, and having no cover would shorten the life. Probably no battens either. Bodgey...

julesmoto
NSW, 1208 posts
15 Dec 2023 5:15PM
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Woohoo said..
Thoughts on this as a good Tassie cruiser?
It has a Lister diesel?

yachthub.com/list/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/adams-36/304326


It's steel so I guess it depends upon whether you have any objection to continuously painting.

As a sailor all I see is windage but obviously it is billed as a motor sailer so you know you will probably be motoring unless there is quite a decent breeze and even then you probably won't be pointing very high. Could be wrong however as at least it is designed by Joe Adams.

I think you would need to take a decent sail and more importantly motor in it to make sure you can stand the noise and vibration of the motor with the existing engine mounts and insulation.

Woohoo
QLD, 56 posts
15 Dec 2023 8:28PM
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julesmoto said..

Woohoo said..
Thoughts on this as a good Tassie cruiser?
It has a Lister diesel?

yachthub.com/list/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/adams-36/304326



It's steel so I guess it depends upon whether you have any objection to continuously painting.

As a sailor all I see is windage but obviously it is billed as a motor sailer so you know you will probably be motoring unless there is quite a decent breeze and even then you probably won't be pointing very high. Could be wrong however as at least it is designed by Joe Adams.

I think you would need to take a decent sail and more importantly motor in it to make sure you can stand the noise and vibration of the motor with the existing engine mounts and insulation.


Thanks

GKandCC
NSW, 218 posts
20 Dec 2023 9:53PM
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cisco said..
These boats have always been well respected as a motor sailer. I have seen a few where the lines have been expanded out to 40-42 feet.

I believe they sail reasonably well but for the size and displacement I would require at least a 50 hp engine, say a 2500 cc six cylinder would be about right.

Maybe compare this one with the other.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/adams-traditional-36/303285



I've been MIA for a while but on returning I see as always with Cisco, a knowlegeable and useful option/bit of advice, keep on keeping on, have a great festive season to you and your family...and all others on the forum reading this.

cisco
QLD, 12310 posts
21 Dec 2023 8:37PM
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This one looks good. Needs some work but does not look to be overly much.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/clansman-30-with-environmentally-friendly-mooring/304970

Bananabender
QLD, 1536 posts
22 Dec 2023 8:23AM
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I raced against her lots.. A lovely boat built early seventies.
Originally owned by Alan Collins dec'd of Brighton Yacht Club and ORCV.
Competed in multiple WestCoasters and SH and won 84 WestCoaster and placed multiple times. . She was always kept in top condition by Alan.
From the 1982 Start list Westcoaster. I came in 2.5 hrs.ahead (Cole35) but she jumped me on handicap . Oh well .






Kay1982
NSW, 274 posts
26 Dec 2023 10:35AM
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G'day here's one that quite a few of you know and have had some involvement with:
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lotus-9-2-30-footer/305069

cisco
QLD, 12310 posts
26 Dec 2023 10:12AM
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Kay1982 said..
G'day here's one that quite a few of you know and have had some involvement with:
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lotus-9-2-30-footer/305069


I can certainly vouch for Apache. I am the previous owner. With the upgrades Karl has done she is worth about $10,000 more than he is asking and she is certainly ready to go sailing. She is fast for a 30 footer and will give you 9 knots off the breeze. I am tempted but my arthiritus says no.

p3p4p5
WA, 33 posts
26 Dec 2023 7:33PM
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cisco said..

Kay1982 said..
G'day here's one that quite a few of you know and have had some involvement with:
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lotus-9-2-30-footer/305069



I can certainly vouch for Apache. I am the previous owner. With the upgrades Karl has done she is worth about $10,000 more than he is asking and she is certainly ready to go sailing. She is fast for a 30 footer and will give you 9 knots off the breeze. I am tempted but my arthiritus says no.


Was the lotus designer as a coastal cruiser racer? The only reason I ask is that capsize screening value is listed at 2.21 which seems bit high for a offshore rated boat. I have seen no stability data on the lotus despite its reputation as a decent heavy weather offshore performer.

cisco
QLD, 12310 posts
27 Dec 2023 9:52AM
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Was the lotus designer as a coastal cruiser racer? The only reason I ask is that capsize screening value is listed at 2.21 which seems bit high for a offshore rated boat. I have seen no stability data on the lotus despite its reputation as a decent heavy weather offshore performer.


Allan Wright refused to design a yacht to any racing rule.

Read this thread from the past to find out what the Lotus stability is like.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Sailing/General/The-Lotus-92-An-Amazing-Yacht?page=1

0llie
NSW, 163 posts
3 Jan 2024 3:55PM
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m.facebook.com/groups/566833633334697/permalink/26172315869026455/?mibextid=Nif5oz

Seems a good buy, hope to see more deals in 2024



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