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Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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NSW, 7757 posts
24 Jul 2015 9:27am
I can see where there is a $59 course to operate a radio training course and it's a once only fee to a non government agency. Where are the VHF radio license fees going to? Has any one been approached to check on their licenses?
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
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NSW, 1531 posts
24 Jul 2015 10:31am
Here l am writing about VHF radios only, which most of us use.

The expression of 'Having a radio licence' is as ambiguous as it could be.
Is this expression aiming at the r a d i o, or the p e r s o n who operates it?
Perhaps both?

The English language is wonderfully precise, if used correctly. Also, it could be utterly imprecise and misleading if not!
VHF radios - as radio stations - do not have to be licenced to my knowledge.
The licensing of radio operators as far as VHF radios are concerned is laughable because it is impossible to police. A 'good law' or regulation should always be designed with easy enforcement in mind. If it is not easily enforced it becomes subject to abuse and eventually ridicule. Similar to the old days when CB radio operators had to be licenced.
Just think of the mobile VHF units to be had for a few hundred bucks by anyone let alone the ones ship-fitted.
Yes, they could pull you up and ask for a licence but if you have the radio turned off you would not need a licence for it - inshore.
Offshore it is a tool of survival and l doubt anyone who ventures that far would not know how to use it properly. This is the only place and opportunity for any authority to check, fine or do anything at all.
The undesirables, who cheese us and MR off, mostly on sunny weekends, use the VHF instead of 27MHz mostly in small boats or on land and seldom venture offshore and so, impossible to police.
The serious offshore operator, whoever, is burdened with extra cost and time wasted to obtain something not exactly detrimental to his well being. The licence l mean.
The rules of using a VHF radio are so easy to learn - a trained monkey could do it - l believe it should not be tied to a licence of any sort.
If any authority is serious about licencing a VHF radio operator, should be able and willing to police it strictly and regularly. If not, this exercise is becoming one of the tools to fill up the empty coffers of some misty entity.
I am very much for regulated VHF radio operations, to keep the idiots at bay, especially since HF is falling to the wayside, just can not see any avenue to do it meaningfully.



Bananabender
Bananabender
QLD
1610 posts
QLD, 1610 posts
24 Jul 2015 10:35am
Fyr from gov't site. I have never heard it enforced but I suppose if a court case ensues or whatever then there might be repercussions
"What are the penalties?
A person operating a VHF marine radio without holding an appropriate certificate of proficiency or being under the supervision of an appropriately qualified person, may be breaching the Radiocommunications Act. Penalties include significant fines and imprisonment.

What does being under the supervision of an appropriately qualified person mean?

This means that the appropriately qualified person supervising, must be in the immediate vicinity of the operator and radio so that they can step in and take over if necessary.

Who issues the certificates?
The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) is responsible for the issue of GOCPs and RECs. AMSA has accredited a number of educational institutions and registered training organisations to conduct examinations to test candidates at the conclusion of a relevant course of instruction.

MROCPs, MROVCPs and Satcoms are issued by the Australian Maritime College (AMC) on behalf of the ACMA.

The AMC also approves invigilators to conduct examinations, on its behalf, for these qualifications. Except in the case of Satcoms, examinations may also be undertaken at the AMC. Satcom examinations can only be held after relevant training by an educational organisation.

For the AWQ, a statement of attainment is issued by any registered training organization which has included the AWQ on its scope. A list of RTOs is here."
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
24 Jul 2015 11:51am

Did I open Pandora's Box here??
Bananabender
Bananabender
QLD
1610 posts
QLD, 1610 posts
24 Jul 2015 12:25pm
Yep,
From march 2015 an easier to get cert. has been introduced .
http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Consumer-info/All-about-spectrum/Marine-and-Amateur-Radio/marine-radio-qualifications
"Note: A new qualification-The Australian Waters Qualification (AWQ) has just been introduced. This new qualification is suitable for marine radio users who operate VHF marine radios in Australian Territorial Waters only. (Australian Territorial Waters are defined as all waters up to 12 nautical miles from the Australian coastline.) "
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
NSW, 1531 posts
24 Jul 2015 2:08pm
This last regulation seems to be a more intelligent approach to this otherwise uncontrollable situation.
Despite this enlightenment of the authorities l still pray for more light to be shone into those dark places.
They might realise, they are wasting their time and our tax bucks on something would not deserve a second thought unless they would be able and willing to systematically and regularly enforce it, which is next to impossible.

What is going to happen beyond the twelve mile limit?
Say 12.10 miles from shore.
The UN is going to get you? Or ASEAN? Or the World Police? C'mmon!
One would think, no Oz authority could fine you for not having an international licence after all you are outside territorial waters where they have no jurisdiction.( Am l wrong here?? )
And who is going to police it within territorial waters?
l envisage a fleet of crafts hiding behind headlands near well known black spots and chase down every vessel being unfortunate enough to approach. It makes me laugh. This would beat Ben Elton and George Orwell hands down.



Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
24 Jul 2015 6:50pm
There seems to be some confusion about licenses and certification. Licenses are what we pay to the government annually for stuff like driving licenses, fishing licenses, boat licenses, that sort of thing. The money goes to general revenue.

We used to have radio licenses for VHF and 27mhz and the inspectors would drive about and ask to see them. They were mainly concerned with base stations and would check roofs for aerials. It cost the government more money in wages than they got from the fees and the license fees were dropped.

DSC radios probably have a registration fee along the lines of what Epirbs have. Even back in the '80's when I used to use seaphone a fair bit on VHF the only fees were to Telecom.
Bananabender
Bananabender
QLD
1610 posts
QLD, 1610 posts
24 Jul 2015 8:21pm
KISS principle
You do not need a licence but you do need a certificate of proficiency to operate a hf/ mf or vhf marine radio
Most Modern hf/ mf and vhf marine radios now include the DSC application
A retailer cannot by law sell these sets unless the buyer can produce the appropriate certificate of proficiency
Extract re DSC Registration
"
Register for an Australian Maritime Mobile Service Identity (MMSI) number, if you own the following types of equipment aboard a recreational or commercial maritime vessel, coast station or SAR Aircraft:
• a Fixed MF/ HF DSC radio
• a Fixed VHF DSC radio
• a handheld VHF DSC radio; or
• AIS Class A or Class B transceiver
REGISTRATION is FREE.
"
Note: in the USA the cost is $20
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
25 Jul 2015 9:09am
EBay.
Bananabender
Bananabender
QLD
1610 posts
QLD, 1610 posts
25 Jul 2015 10:21am
Seems there's more holes in it than swiss cheese .
Pity really as there are lots of advantages in knowing how to use the marine radio properly.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
25 Jul 2015 8:35pm
Anybody who goes on the water should.
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