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southace
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6 Aug 2014 7:02pm
Spoke to a mate before on the phone that brought a old floating racing yacht a few years back. He till this day has still not had the sails up or had it out of the water. Last Christmas was the first attempt but unforantly with me on board I exploded his backstay!

Any ways with work commitments and the bitterly cold down south weather,The only job so far above decks he's been able to perform is fixing the backstay and today fitting a new mainsail bag with lazy jacks.

So I started to steer him in the right direction asking him has the bag got a zip...and now you can prepare to hoist the mainsail when there is no wind...and started to explain that he needs to lubricant the sail track....etc ..... But he cut me short of this and then started telling me the jib tracks need to be finished and the windows need to come out and replaced and this and that and what! I said stop lets just focus on getting the main going up and down first and then we will move to the next job!


Moral of my story is work on one job at a time and complete it. Do not congest you head with a million jobs and ideas or Working a bit here and a bit there! Prioritise the main important jobs and cross them of the list before starting the next job.
LMY
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6 Aug 2014 8:24pm
Sounds good in theory........... But if you finish a job there is no evidence that you have done anything, so it is way better to leave a little bit undone. The trick is to make certain that the little bit has no significant impact on using the boat.
HG02
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6 Aug 2014 8:40pm
A lot depends on where you are restoring a boat on a swing mooring its hard and the weather alters your choice of jobs to do pending wind and waves.
Last weekend was the first bit of sun shine on a weekend down south for a few months . I have orgainized a person to cut and polish the deck some time in the future( next month or two but I need to so all the bright work on the deck also polish the stainless before he cuts and polishes. So I fit it in when the weathers ok.
The wiring loom I do it at home during the week .Much the same with the Engine control and engine panel Side jobs bonuses if you get them done as well as the rest of the boat.
I have some insulation for the mizzen bulk head in the engine bay that I want to cut and I keep forgetting my tape measure at at work we have a commercial foam cutter so I will use that , make a nice neat job.
For me Ive been procrastinating about moving the head from the original place in the forward cabin . Now Ive started and have thought about for a few months and visulized it in my head. Also I was never happy with the amount of excess to the engine bay . Now I have access on two sides and can actually reach every area in there with out a problem . So my will start at the engine bay and work my way forward . Once thats finished Ill finish off the sinks and work back to the stove and the head. Ive ran all the wiring for the cabin lights. Once the main cabins completes Ill start on the forward section. Ive given my self the next 4 months to achieve this . Hopefully Ill have a couple of weeks annual leave to help me along during this time .
I was 1 1/2 hours getting on board while on the mooring now its 5 minuets drive and I go past the boat on the way home so I can drop in there and measure if I need to where on the mooring you would loose a week if you over looked some thing.
For me I write down 10 things to do a day if I get 5 of those done ,anything after that is a bonus .
Plus I like to try and sort thing out long term what I mean is forward planning less mistake and alteration later .
example of this for me would be the original engine panel it became redundant when I made the decision to move the head from its existing spot this also meant moving the original battery box and relocating it .
When its time for mast and sails ,sail bags etc Id really like some help to set it up
southace
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6 Aug 2014 8:21pm
Well as long as your enjoying yourself in the process I guess thats the main thing...and the pride and trust you well get from the finished project will not compete with a off the shelf second hand boat. Keep at it and stop forgetting your Tape measure!
HG02
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6 Aug 2014 8:59pm
southace said..
Well as long as your enjoying yourself in the process I guess thats the main thing...and the pride and trust you well get from the finished project will not compete with a off the shelf second hand boat. Keep at it and stop forgetting your Tape measure!




There is a spare hammer and a bunk here if you get sick of the weather up there
MorningBird
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6 Aug 2014 9:11pm
Morning Bird is basically done. Any jobs now are on the periphery or cosmetic. I am suffering from a lack of motivation.
I was onboard on Monday and went for a 1 hour drive around Scotland Island and then cleaned out the cockpit locker, my final must do job. It took hours to complete as it involved untangling the spare main anchor, anchor rode and para drogue rode.
What does one do when motivation is lacking?
southace
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6 Aug 2014 8:42pm
Btw HG02 what your thinking by moving your heads to a aft position Is completely the opposite to what I done. The best place I think is in the bows. It's also great to have a forward facing opening hatch for star gazing at night while disposing bowels after dinner.
southace
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6 Aug 2014 8:46pm
MorningBird said..
Morning Bird is basically done. Any jobs now are on the periphery or cosmetic. I am suffering from a lack of motivation.
I was onboard on Monday and went for a 1 hour drive around Scotland Island and the cleaned out the cockpit locker, my final must do job. It took hours to complete as it involved untangling the spare main anchor, anchor rode and para drogue rode.
What does one do when motivation is lacking?


The only motivation I get when it comes to working on boats was when I needed to finish the re-build, if something broke and when I put it on the market to sell! In fact when it went on the market I completed all the jobs that needed to be done again!
SandS
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6 Aug 2014 9:25pm



"the two happiest days in a mans life....... The day he buys his first boat , and the day he sells it "


MorningBird
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6 Aug 2014 9:31pm
Much the same for me Southace. I enjoy achieving improvements but get bored with run of the mill stuff.
MB isn't my first boat but the sentiment still applies.
I still get a buzz out of sailing her and am looking forward to this years Lord Howe attempt.
HG02
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6 Aug 2014 9:33pm
southace said..
Btw HG02 what your thinking by moving your heads to a aft position Is completely the opposite to what I done. The best place I think is in the bows. It's also great to have a forward facing opening hatch for star gazing at night while disposing bowels after dinner.


That V berth will make a nice cosy bed in a quiet anchorage some where south ace and I wont have to pull the V berth apart to use the head.
I usually quietly row across to Jeanneau owners and use there forward deck what sort of boat you buying south ace?
Toph
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6 Aug 2014 7:46pm
Well, not a jeanneau now
southace
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6 Aug 2014 9:20pm
I removed the V berth! Seriously a design floor! How many quiet anchorages do you expect to find? That grinding on the roller will keep you up all night!!

Sleep on the lounge at midships. Have your heads as a wet area, storage, wet wether gear, holding tank....etc . I geuss in your boat it depends on the headroom up forward. Anyway it worked for me I also liked the fact I had 3 skin fittings in the bow and 3 in the bilge rather than having them all together.


mangrovefrog
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6 Aug 2014 10:04pm
I dont wanna know how seasoned peeps can be to stick their heads out their hatches imagining that no one would notice funny expresions on their red dials!!
I just wanted to express a theory there seems only be limited number of workholics on this planet...
So if im not like cant help but being a bum and so much easier letting things go.. i can all a sudden get the magic of workaholism and complete a million jobs a day for weeks or months until what be perhaps something to knock me out of it and back to impossible fruitless urgings that im lucky to complete a small job a week!! Seriously..
SandS
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6 Aug 2014 10:33pm

Na, go the scorpion !
brizzydave
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6 Aug 2014 8:42pm
I thought mine would take six weeks. Took a year and a half. Dumb fark here thought it would be good to try and turn a volkswagon into a Porsche. Not possible and a complete waste of time. I could have sorted a whole years revamp work with three liters of epoxy and a five mm drill over a weekend. I should have kept the galley and the head instead of removing them for full length bunks and many other things. no need to completely remove the entire main bulkhead and put a new one in either. Dumb.
Its so easy to get carried away, bogged down, depressed, wound up in unrealistic goals and the ever present " if you don't use epoxy your boat will sink" thing.
But that's experience for ya. Now that I know what I'm doing I'll be fine next boat. Been sailing all my life but never had to rebuild one.











cisco
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7 Aug 2014 1:02am
MorningBird said..

What does one do when motivation is lacking?


Go sailing and see what breaks first. That will tell you what the next job is.

southace
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7 Aug 2014 12:52am
I can do up to 45 single handed no problem. but I have crew available most of the time.
cisco
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7 Aug 2014 1:31am
southace said..

Moral of my story is work on one job at a time and complete it. Do not congest you head with a million jobs and ideas or Working a bit here and a bit there! Prioritise the main important jobs and cross them of the list before starting the next job.



That is an excellent strategy. Fix up the things that are there first in their order of priority, one thing at a time to completion. Then move onto the next priority.

On Second Wind my current priority is the engine. I am doing everything to it short of pulling the head off and doing a top end rebuild. That may happen a year down the the track.

Next priority:-
The mooring.
Electrics.
Plumbing.
Rig.
Sails.
Electronics.
Fit out.
Lika Loka.

southace
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7 Aug 2014 1:06am
cisco said..

southace said..

Moral of my story is work on one job at a time and complete it. Do not congest you head with a million jobs and ideas or Working a bit here and a bit there! Prioritise the main important jobs and cross them of the list before starting the next job.




That is an excellent strategy. Fix up the things that are there first in their order of priority, one thing at a time to completion. Then move onto the next priority.

On Second Wind my current priority is the engine. I am doing everything to it short of pulling the head off and doing a top end rebuild. That may happen a year down the the track.

Next priority:-
The mooring.
Electrics.
Plumbing.
Rig.
Sails.
Electronics.
Fit out.
Lika Loka.




Sounds like abother rebuild in the making!

You may have to rename it 3rd wind!

I just wanna go sailing !
cisco
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7 Aug 2014 1:52am
southace said..
I can do up to 45 single handed no problem. but I have crew available most of the time.


That is not an answer to the question I asked.

Learning how to single hand our yachts is something we all do.

The same question another way.

When you go long term sailing, how many people do you intend having on board?

Or

Why do you feel the need to have a 40+ foot yacht with huge beam and multiple cabins unless you want to do private charters??

I had a good look over Lexmark's S&S 36 (Prestige 36) the other day and it is a brain snapper of a yacht that polished up will draw compliments at any marina.

Beamy as you like, sails like a witch and will sleep up to eight people.
southace
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7 Aug 2014 1:29am
Well to awnser your question CIsco I have been mostly looking for 2 cabin boats preferably 40 to 45. For the length I do believe water line length is the key for a fast sea worthy boat....I would have a 50 if I had the peremant crew and the money But that will wait till later for now.

i have done 5 years on a 37 footer with 3.3 beam it got me round the coast but now I plan to venture across oceans and for that I want something big and fast.. A wide beam has a number of benefits including better stability and sailing performance, wide diving/swim platform, twin wheel steering and since this is my home it gives me a large living space below with the option of a aft cabin.

And actually I am looking at a few boats in 2C survey which may well bring me a little extra cash if need be.
i would only take 8 people if they are paying guests!
Any other passage I'm happy with just 1 or two crew or solo.
cisco
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7 Aug 2014 2:22am
southace said..

Sounds like abother rebuild in the making!

You may have to rename it 3rd wind!

I just wanna go sailing !



Hardly what one could call a rebuild considering all the work I am doing on the yacht is while she is at anchor.

Yes we all "Just wanna go sailing." but in case you have forgotten I remind you that yacht maintenance is part and parcel to sailing.

cisco
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7 Aug 2014 2:54am
southace said..
And actually I am looking at a few boats in 2C survey which may well bring me a little extra cash if need be.


Ah ha! So now we get to your real motivation. Nothing wrong with that.

Considering your qualifications and past experience, why would you not go that way?

With the right kind of advertising (word of mouth being the best) you could free yourself from the crap Cairns and Whitsunday backpacker market and get into the high paying prestige market.

There was a guy doing it out of Bundaberg a few years ago going out to the Chesterfields and Noumea for pretty good dollars. He was doing it with an aluminium Radford 50 initially but sold it and then was doing it with a fancy catamaran.

Find yourself a hot looking chick that knows how to cook and sail and you will be made. One like this one should be right.


Watermark
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7 Aug 2014 9:21am
A friend of ours with a Catalina 375 had a look at the Morgan in Melbourne about six months ago. His comments were that the photos don't show up the wear and tear but that it was a nice boat, even has a small bath apparently.Not enough to entice him to sell his 375 though, although he does have his charter 375 for sale in the Whitsundays at the moment.
Ramona
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7 Aug 2014 9:28am
I was going to link a nice project for someone. Carter offshore 33 on eBay yesterday with a buy now price of $10,000 but its gone today!

OK I made a mistake, its still there!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271568083239?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
DrRog
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7 Aug 2014 11:33am
Nah, you need several jobs on the go at once so when you run into the inevitable unforeseeable problem you have something else to do with the time you have left (rather than rowing to shore, driving to store). And there's a natural priority of tasks from safety and structural through to aesthetics and would-be-niceties; i too would be (have) replacing windows before lubricating my sail track!

on the topic of motivation, I've gone through a low patch through winter with my missus out of action with torn tendon and after replacing the rigging somewhat unexpectedly, leaving all the other work pushed back. So, I'm taking a holiday away from the boat to help the missus whilst pretending for a while that I don't own a boat. And occasionally king the new rig out and enjoying it again (with the security of knowing I can cane it and it will stay up). Rejuvenate, then hit it again.


southace
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7 Aug 2014 11:25am
cisco said..

southace said..
And actually I am looking at a few boats in 2C survey which may well bring me a little extra cash if need be.



Ah ha! So now we get to your real motivation. Nothing wrong with that.

Considering your qualifications and past experience, why would you not go that way?

With the right kind of advertising (word of mouth being the best) you could free yourself from the crap Cairns and Whitsunday backpacker market and get into the high paying prestige market.

There was a guy doing it out of Bundaberg a few years ago going out to the Chesterfields and Noumea for pretty good dollars. He was doing it with an aluminium Radford 50 initially but sold it and then was doing it with a fancy catamaran.

Find yourself a hot looking chick that knows how to cook and sail and you will be made. One like this one should be right.




Well No actually it's not my real motivation but to have a boat in survey for me it can be of some value and if I decide to take paying passengers sailing I'm covered. I know of a number of towns in Australia with tourists but lack of good sailing charters.

Finding a hot crew has never been a problem for me but personally i think they can be more work than help!
cisco
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7 Aug 2014 2:31pm
southace said..
I know of a number of towns in Australia with tourists but lack of good sailing charters.



Yeppoon would fit that category and the cruising grounds there are great.

HG02
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7 Aug 2014 7:00pm
cisco said..

Ramona said..
I was going to link a nice project for someone. Carter offshore 33 on eBay yesterday with a buy now price of $10,000 but its gone today!

OK I made a mistake, its still there!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271568083239?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649



That is one of the best I have seen for a project.


Totally agree Cisco, Price and boat like these don't come up very often down here
nswsailor
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7 Aug 2014 10:32pm
cisco said..

southace said..
I can do up to 45 single handed no problem. but I have crew available most of the time.



That is not an answer to the question I asked.

Learning how to single hand our yachts is something we all do.

The same question another way.

When you go long term sailing, how many people do you intend having on board?




I always go sailing with three POB namely; I, me and myself!
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