Sat Phone/SSB

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featherhead
featherhead
33 posts
33 posts
12 Sep 2009 3:36pm
Any comments on the use/coverage/reliability of sat phones throughout South Pacific and further. Do they replace the need for HF? Have done some research into them, mostly sales pitches. Any real time users out there? Have used older versions throughout Torres Strait and Gulf, but they were fairly cumbersome and fickle to conditions. Wondering what the newer versions are like, Iridium, Globalstar?
Sabalo
Sabalo
WA
15 posts
WA, 15 posts
12 Sep 2009 6:36pm
we used an irridium hand held last year crossing the pacific and it was every bit the same as having a mobile phone in town (except the cost ) we used a SSB(came with the boat) for weather and cruisernets but if you had a computer and power to run it you can get a slow internet connection too.
the one thing I would recommend is an external arial as they tend to cut out down below even in a glass boat.
featherhead
featherhead
33 posts
33 posts
13 Sep 2009 4:35pm
Thanks Sabalo, Iridium seems to be the way to go. Posted same q on other forums and replies are positive as yours. So I guess why bother with HF, or keep as a backup? See the organisers of the 2010 Trans Tasman are looking at allowing sat phone with or in lieu of SSB?
Jethrow
Jethrow
NSW
1282 posts
NSW, 1282 posts
13 Sep 2009 7:38pm
Just remember that if you get in trouble you can't direction find a sat phone and you can only call one person instead of broadcasting to every boat around you. Just a thought...
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
13 Sep 2009 11:34pm
But I believe a 406 EPIRB with integrated or interfaced GPS will give direction finding via VHF, giving your lat. and long., if the signal is picked up by a DSC capable VHF radio.

As I understand it a basic 406 EPIRB sends a signal to any satellite above the horizon as well as a VHF signal to line of sight coastal, ship or aircraft stations, which would mean a 406 EPIRB has a global footprint via satellite and a local footprint via VHF.

So the basic 406 EPIRB distress signal is eventually picked up by three or more satellites and an accurate positioning of the scource of the signal is available to the listening stations.

The time delay for acquirement of this information by the listening stations is shortened by two hours or more if the EPIRB is integrated or interfaced with a GPS receiver and that information is immediately transmitted to any in range DSC capable VHF station.

The equipment described is designed for integration with the GMDSS (Global Marine Distress Signaling System).

All of the above is how I believe it is but I have been unable to confirm it with the people who sell the gear or our local Volunteer Marine Rescue people. It is all a bit new.

Hopefully there is someone on the forum who is qualified and authorative enough be able to explain the workings of it for us.

In the meantime I will contact AMSA just to satisfy myself as to how it all works.

Not so long ago Sat Phones were $5,000 plus but like everything, the more popular it gets the less expensive it gets. A Sat Phone by definition is obviously GPS capable. They just haven't released that model to the general public yet until they have sold their existing stock.

HF radios and their networks have been an invalueable resource for international cruisers since their inception with some spectacular examples of their usefullness, however due to the reliance on atmospheric conditions and other factors plus the introduction of newer technology, I believe they are on their way out except for the enthusiasts.

For an international cruising yacht, a Sat Phone is another two lines of communication, one being direct (and hopefully private) to a phone line, and the other a form of broadcast via the internet (be it slow). Cheers Cisco
maxm
maxm
NSW
864 posts
NSW, 864 posts
14 Sep 2009 10:01am
Cisco,

Are you maybe confusing it with the 121.5 MHz signal it transmits? This is used as a homing signal by search craft. 406 EPIRBs do transmit a MMSI, as does DSC, but I didn't think that was via VHF.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
15 Sep 2009 2:35am
Like I said max, it is only as I understand it and I am open to correction on all of it.

I am hoping there is someone on the forum who knows exactly how it all works. Cheers.
featherhead
featherhead
33 posts
33 posts
15 Sep 2009 6:47am
I think just about everything is interfaced these days, or soon will be, from what I've been reading. But how does that work when part of the system goes down? Does it all fail or just one part, still a need for backup? The questions keep coming and by the time I've found the answer, it's old technology. Might buy a pidgeon, at least when it breaks I can eat it.
Crusoe
Crusoe
QLD
1197 posts
QLD, 1197 posts
29 Sep 2009 8:53pm
I was reading an article the other day and apparently they are looking to interface AIS with satellites so that you can sit at home and monitor ships (on your PC via the internet) going up and down the coast via their VHF transmitted data. That should make it easy for the undesirables to track your position. I realise most small vessels, especially yachties only listen in to get the info on our chart plotters but I though it would be nice to be able to have the kids at home find out where I was whittling away their inheritance.
maxm
maxm
NSW
864 posts
NSW, 864 posts
30 Sep 2009 9:46am
Crusoe said...

I was reading an article the other day and apparently they are looking to interface AIS with satellites so that you can sit at home and monitor ships (on your PC via the internet) going up and down the coast via their VHF transmitted data. That should make it easy for the undesirables to track your position. I realise most small vessels, especially yachties only listen in to get the info on our chart plotters but I though it would be nice to be able to have the kids at home find out where I was whittling away their inheritance.


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