Engine can be started as long as a gear is not engaged (propulsion rule 42), but rule 52 states that hull appendages must be adjusted by power of the crew. If your SI overrides that requirement and allow's engine power to adjust the keel, then no problem.

Perhaps you could put in a letter to the sailing committee with the details of the incident and ask for a ruling. But you may then be DSQ or asked to retire after racing. Would help to know for future reference.

I am fascinated by this subject, though l am only sitting on the side line.
My mate, sailing on Moreton Bay, just bought a yacht with a daggerboard. His is manual, no complications there, however, it is an interesting point in case of a power-lift keel.
I hope you not going to get penalised.

Your honesty, however, should be appreciated.

When you read rule 52 and it says running rigging can only be adjusted and operated by crew power are you cheating if you use electric halyard winches

Regards Don

EC31 said..
If you use the electric winch for the halyard before the prep flag, then no. But during a race, especially to change a head sail, my reading would of the rule would be to say yes. Also would exclude an autopilot during a race.
There must be something in the SI for S2H that allows them to use hydraulic power to cant the keel.

HI EC

I believe some of the maxi's in the S2H use hydraulic winches as well

Regards Don

Found last years SI for the S2H. It may have been this way for a while.
11.3 Changes to RRS
RRS 41: Whilst racing a boat may retrieve data from the standings pages of the event website or from http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/standings_lite.asp and or retrieve data from the text-based feeds provided at yb.tl/Links/rolexs2h2016 even if those pages are not publicly available. During the race a boat shall not contact, or be in contact with, any person or private entity using any medium to receive private meteorological forecasts, tactical advice or information customised for a particular boat or group of boats, however a boat may obtain assistance in the form of any readily available commercial meteorological or hydrographical information regardless of cost. Amends RRS 41(c).
RRS 42: A boat in the Cruising Division may, from two hours after its starting signal use its engine for propulsion. That use must cease prior to the boat finishing. Engine hours and miles covered under engine must be logged.
RRS 51: A boat with movable or variable ballast (within the meaning of those terms in the Special Regulations) may move that ballast for the purpose of changing trim or stability.
RRS 52: RRS 52 does not apply to: the adjustment and operation of sails or the adjustment of movable appendages on any boat; or any boat in the Cruising Division.
RRS 61.3: There is no time limit on protests by the Race Committee or the International Jury. No other protests may be delivered after 1700 hours on 1 January 2017, except when seeking redress. In that event, the time limit will be three hours after the protesting boat finishes. The International Jury may not extend the time for delivery of a protest lodged under the provisions of this clause.
RRS 78.2: Valid rating/class certificates shall be produced by the required time specified in the NoR.

Hi Shaggy
If you were following the fleet on the same course i don't see that what you did gave you an unfair advantage so personally even though it appears that you may have violated rule 52 i am ok with it

Regards Don

Donk107 said..
Hi Shaggy
If you were following the fleet on the same course i don't see that what you did gave you an unfair advantage so personally even though it appears that you may have violated rule 52 i am ok with it

Regards Don

Thanks Don,
I feel a little bit less guilty. Sent off an email to the SC, I'll report back the outcome!

Seabird, interesting isn't it? My CMap charts showed it. One of the guys with an old version of Navionics on an IPad doesn't .

Cheers,,
SB

Don,
I havent stuck a camera underneath yet, I'm going to check Saturday. It wasn't the smooth hit that sand gives you, so I'm bracing for some damage.
Mind you, when we lifted the boat after the whale hit, the only damage was the leading edge of the keel looked like it had been sanded.
So, fingers crossed!

I am not to flog the old hobby horse of mine about the dangers of navionics vector carts, but MemoryMap's electronic raster chart (which is AUS 236 from last year) also clearly shows a tip of 2.2m!
Sorry Shaggy!

shaggybaxter said..
At the dock we had a look at one of the guys older Navionics on an Ipad, and it didn't show it, that's the reference I made to Navionics.

When you reference it to Navionics I suspect they will remind you of the terms and conditions everybody agrees to when they open the app,i.e. "not to be used for navigation".

cisco said..

shaggybaxter said..
At the dock we had a look at one of the guys older Navionics on an Ipad, and it didn't show it, that's the reference I made to Navionics.

When you reference it to Navionics I suspect they will remind you of the terms and conditions everybody agrees to when they open the app,i.e. "not to be used for navigation".

My Navionics shows it at 2 m

I think someone needs to open a navionics discussion thread soon as this one is getting hijacked.

What I did to my boat today
I fitted a new vanity bowl and mixer tap phew expensive nearly $400 all up. I will now strip the timber and stain n varnish in cherry red gloss.

^ I see you had your razor blades for breakfast FreeRad!!

southace said..
I think someone needs to open a navionics discussion thread soon as this one is getting hijacked.

What I did to my boat today
I fitted a new vanity bowl and mixer tap phew expensive nearly $400 all up. I will now strip the timber and stain n varnish in cherry red gloss.

You have been watching too much of "The Block Southace!!

sirgallivant said..
Yes it might, if one zooms in enough.
But if not? Crunch!

Look at your zooming level indicator on the bottom right hand corner.
At the 372 feet 'level' does not show the depth.


Vital information should not depend on the zooming level.
It should show at all levels, using mutually agreed measurements, permanently!

That chart looks like a toy with the ducks and drakes on it! Sorry, what a joke it is!

Yep, I was down below having a kip and the boat ran into a whale that WASN'T SHOWN ON NAVIONICS! What a joke that app is. A whole $60 for the entire Aussie chart, what a rip off. AND if I only look on the all-of-Australian view on my tiny smart phone, I can't see every single rock. AND there's no warning about the crocs at Gladstone. AND .....

Why doesn't everyone use CLOSEDMAP - You only have to scan the charts using DOS chartscan, insert references with a Sinclair calculator and a paper clip, convert PDF to BITMAP to JPEG and then back to BITMAP. Then you simply run .chartscript in Ubuntu, convert to Linux, convert to Methodism, convert to Windows. Then simply disable fire wall, link windows to Android and display on your fridge temperature screen. Simples

(Bristle has been restrained and suitably medicated by trained personnel from the Bundy rum museum. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible )