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ChopesBro
ChopesBro
351 posts
351 posts
1 May 2016 3:32am
Big storm today had me worried .

Anyone on here been hit?

Any ideas on avoiding it?

Been told more you do to minimize the risk more likely you to be hit
Auscruisers
Auscruisers
65 posts
65 posts
1 May 2016 4:37am
Our current boat was hit by lightning about six years ago.

This was before we owned her and I only found out by reading some of the boats papers after purchasing her.

The reports I read was from both a ships rigger and an electrician. Both stated that while there was clear evidence of a lightning strike there appeared to be no damage to the electrical system other than several blown fuses and circuit breakers in the electrical system and the rigging report came back clear.

The circumstances of the strike are unknown to us so the only thing we have to go on is the reports.

After reading some horror stories about lightning strikes I sort of feel that you only hear the bad reports. I would imagine that many more boats are hit by lightning strikes without the owners being aware if they were not on board at the time of the strike.

I can add that over the years I can clearly remember a couple of occasions where I have been aboard during fierce electrical storms and being quite concerned.

I remember one of the recommended procedures was to place a piece of chain over the side of the boat to act as an earth or something and I had a bit of a laugh when we were anchored close to another boat in the Northern Territory years ago in quite a bad pre wet- season electrical storm. I noticed the owner go on deck with a small length of chain and wrap one end around the mast and lower the other end in the water. What I thought was funny was the fact that he already had some thirty or forty meters of anchor chain out which I thought would give him a pretty good earth.
Datawiz
Datawiz
VIC
605 posts
VIC, 605 posts
1 May 2016 7:40am
" I noticed the owner go on deck with a small length of chain and wrap one end around the mast and lower the other end in the water. What I thought was funny was the fact that he already had some thirty or forty meters of anchor chain out which I thought would give him a pretty good earth."

Not so funny really....
The lightning would most likely strike the top of the mast, the current finding its way to ground (the sea) by many circuitous routes including the electronics on the boat maybe causing huge damage.

By connecting the mast (via the chain) to the sea, most of the current from the strike would effectively bypass any other paths through the boat, taking the more direct path through the chain.

Although the anchor chain was connected to the sea, it's hard to see how the current from the mast would have a direct connection to it.
So, to me, connecting the chain to the mast was a great idea.

regards,
allan



Yara
Yara
NSW
1322 posts
NSW, 1322 posts
1 May 2016 8:14am
So Chopes, it looks like you are actually in Sydney!

I believe there are two functions of lightning conductors. The first is to de-ionise the air around the vessel, so that the lightning chooses a different path, away from the vessel. The other is if it does hit the boat, the path to the water is through the least damaging components, and not the crew.

I did read of a vessel in the Cairns area which had been hit, and whilst apparently the rigging was intact, the strength of the wire and fittings was badly compromised and it needed re-rigging. Cant remember any comment re the mast.
FoolishBehaviour
FoolishBehaviour
NSW
51 posts
NSW, 51 posts
1 May 2016 8:22am
Warrina III was hit by lightning back in 2008 (under previous ownership) moored in Salt Pan Cove (Newport, NSW).

The bill was $18k although the owner took advantage to upgrade all instruments and install a cabin heater. The insurance company paid around $7.5k.

The previous owner purchased a larger yacht (which is moored in Salt Pan Cove) and this yacht has now been hit twice by lightning with each event costing around $30k. He must keep Anderson Marine in business.

He has now invested in a protection system so that when he goes on board he doesn't find his wing gauges on the deck (rather than where they should be at the top of the mast.

This year (after 3 lightning strike claims) his Insurance Company declined to insure the yacht.

We've told him that the problem is he has the tallest mast in Salt Pan Cove.

Who says "lightning doesn't strike twice"!!!!
Windjana
Windjana
WA
405 posts
WA, 405 posts
1 May 2016 7:07am
I wonder if lightning hitting the mast on a steel hulled vessel would have a different effect to that of a fibreglass hull - any ideas?
Datawiz
Datawiz
VIC
605 posts
VIC, 605 posts
1 May 2016 10:12am
All this talk about lightning reminds me of the two mates on the golf course when a lightning storm happened.
One of the guys pulled our his 1 iron and held it above his head.
His mate cried out "Are you crazy - you'll kill us!!", to which his mate replied "Don't worry, not even God can hit a 1 iron"
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
1 May 2016 10:15am
Datawiz said..
All this talk about lightning reminds me of the two mates on the golf course when a lightning storm happened.
One of the guys pulled our his 1 iron and held it above his head.
His mate cried out "Are you crazy - you'll kill us!!", to which his mate replied "Don't worry, not even God can hit a 1 iron"



boom boom ,tish !!!
DAMA
DAMA
QLD
239 posts
QLD, 239 posts
1 May 2016 12:08pm
Was reading an article in one of the sailing mags , about the catamaran Fantasia which had been hit by lightning and destroyed most electrics ,..
he re wired and placed connectors / joiners in the mast wiring and disconnects when storms are closing in . Maybe an option for some .

Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
1 May 2016 12:50pm
Direct hit on FG boat can be serious destruction, Some might remember....when I Sold Sweet Chariot /Swanson 32/ was moved to Sydney area,
new owner experience.
" lmighty flash and sound like you've never heard as a lightening bolt decided to use my mast to get to ground. The boat lit up in a bright blue flash and blacked out all the electrics. So far found 14 blown fuses, a number of lights not working. Found the remnants of the VHF antenna in the dinghy. That was the first point of contact being mounted at the mast top. Hopefully not too much terminal damage. Still a lot of components not tested yet. Thank goodness the new motor is ok. Starts and charges ok.rewired "Sweet Chariot" just after I bought her a few years back. I number all cable ends and have a comprehensive wirirng diagram for her so it makes fault tracing relatively simple. Two fuse boxes have been destroyed. The 27 mHz radio, VHF Radio and antenna, Audio CD head unit, TV, Autopilot, have all suffered internal damage as they will not work despite all efforts. A number of lights are also not working. More testing will be done."
Agent nods
Agent nods
622 posts
622 posts
1 May 2016 11:35am
lightning will generally strike the highest point...ie the mast, and then follow path of least resistance. If you have antennas etc on the mast it will strike them and the follow their wiring. The advice is to fit a lighting conductor to the top of the mast, lightning will then hit it and travel down the mast. then the lighting then needs to get to the water....a keel stepped mast with a grounding cable to a keel bolt is good. Deck stepped masts need to be grounded to something...depends what the boats made of material and/or fitting around that will get the current to the sea.

Did see a almost new 47 ft game boat get hit by lightning....it was supposed to be protected....but damage bill was $500 000+ Electronic engine and gearbox systems all fried.
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
1 May 2016 11:46am
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Sailing/General/Struck-by-lightning-this-afternoon-in-Botany-Bay/

And a pretty good explanation of lightening rods

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