Struck by lightning this afternoon in Botany Bay

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Sweetchariot
Sweetchariot
NSW
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25 Nov 2014 12:23am
Talk about a million one to chance and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Approximately 4 o'clock this afternoon whilst working in the cabin on "Sweet Chariot" there was an almighty flash and sound like you've never heard as a lightening bolt decided to use my mast to get to ground. The boat lit up in a bright blue flash and blacked out all the electrics.
So far found 14 blown fuses, a number of lights not working.
Found the remnants of the VHF antenna in the dinghy. That was the first point of contact being mounted at the mast top. Hopefully not too much terminal damage. Still a lot of components not tested yet.
Thank goodness the new motor is ok. Starts and charges ok.
The screwdriver I was using arced across to the plate I was screwing into. Frightened the living crap out of me, I can tell you. At least I am ok. Still shaking a bit though.
Having operated a small business fitting out and wiring/rewiring boats of all sizes I rewired "Sweet Chariot" just after I bought her a few years back. I number all cable ends and have a comprehensive wirirng diagram for her so it makes fault tracing relatively simple.
Two fuse boxes have been destroyed.
The 27 mHz radio, VHF Radio and antenna, Audio CD head unit, TV, Autopilot, have all suffered internal damage as they will not work despite all efforts. A number of lights are also not working.
More testing will be done tomorrow after I replace the two fuses boxes and get back to a good base to begin with.

I have some photos but they are on my Iphone and i am writing this on my ipad. Will post them tomorrow night when i get back home.

Consider myself quite lucky actually to come out of it OK.

Steve
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
25 Nov 2014 12:42am
Good to hear that you are OK, sh1t like that can ruin your whole day.

When you think about it, being in the wrong place at the wrong time means you weren't there at all. You were in the wrong place at the right time, or conversely, the right place at the wrong time.
WazzaYotty
WazzaYotty
QLD
302 posts
QLD, 302 posts
25 Nov 2014 1:12am
Sweetchariot said..
Talk about a million one to chance and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Approximately 4 o'clock this afternoon whilst working in the cabin on "Sweet Chariot" there was an almighty flash and sound like you've never heard as a lightening bolt decided to use my mast to get to ground. The boat lit up in a bright blue flash and blacked out all the electrics.
So far found 14 blown fuses, a number of lights not working.
Found the remnants of the VHF antenna in the dinghy. That was the first point of contact being mounted at the mast top. Hopefully not too much terminal damage. Still a lot of components not tested yet.
Thank goodness the new motor is ok. Starts and charges ok.
The screwdriver I was using arced across to the plate I was screwing into. Frightened the living crap out of me, I can tell you. At least I am ok. Still shaking a bit though.
Having operated a small business fitting out and wiring/rewiring boats of all sizes I rewired "Sweet Chariot" just after I bought her a few years back. I number all cable ends and have a comprehensive wirirng diagram for her so it makes fault tracing relatively simple.
Two fuse boxes have been destroyed.
The 27 mHz radio, VHF Radio and antenna, Audio CD head unit, TV, Autopilot, have all suffered internal damage as they will not work despite all efforts. A number of lights are also not working.
More testing will be done tomorrow after I replace the two fuses boxes and get back to a good base to begin with.

I have some photos but they are on my Iphone and i am writing this on my ipad. Will post them tomorrow night when i get back home.

Consider myself quite lucky actually to come out of it OK.

Steve



So glad you are OK. I've had exactly the same experience in Port Clinton in Queensland in 2010. I had a 15m Salthouse sloop and almost everything was kaput. Fortunately Club Marine covered everything....$30,000!! I had just done an electrical refit so had all receipts etc.
Might I respectfully suggest you consider contacting your insurance ASAP and informing them that you are currently assessing the damage but that you are not a shipwright or an expert ( I see from you post that you are an electrical expert!) and you need to be 100% sure that the vessel is safe.. They told me to get quotes for replacements and just to submit to them. I would suggest that you decline this and insist on an insurance assessor to oversee everything. The insurance company won't want to do this but I insisted t and once they agreed the repairs were easy. The assessor wanted the boat out of the water to assess the hull etc and he insisted that the rig was checked by a rigger.

I really hope everything goes well for you.
PS : Apparently the VHF often ends up on the aft deck or in the tender!!
PPS : My mother, 84, was on board and has a pacemaker. She was sitting right next o the mast. She said that "everything felt a bit funny" but we had her checked out too. AOK!
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
25 Nov 2014 7:24am
Check all your through hulls as soon as you can if you don't have a grounding system . So glad your OK SC
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
25 Nov 2014 8:50am
HG02 said..
Check all your through hulls as soon as you can if you don't have a grounding system . So glad your OK SC


The engine will be the ground. Mast, mast wiring, battery , engine then shaft and prop.
DrRog
DrRog
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
25 Nov 2014 9:08am
Wow, charriot, so glad you're okay. Tell me, did you know the storm was coming and decide it was a million to one? I think I'd be getting off the boat myself, but who knows where you're safer.

I watched the storm coming over as I was driving and ABC 702 were talking to listeners who were where it had already passed. I saw one of the thickest bolts of lightning I've ever seen come down somewhere just west of Mosman.

It's good to hear experiences like these two; anyone else been struck either whilst in the boat or not?
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
25 Nov 2014 8:37am
Hi Steve, what a distruction, but all can be fix, good to hear
no burnts or injuries.
Boat used to be well grounded because of HF transciever.
Also backstay is insulated from the mast and boat.
That might explain VHF was easier track to ground.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
25 Nov 2014 9:19am
An experience like that could be enough to turn you into a landlubber. Glad to hear you are still with us.
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
2195 posts
QLD, 2195 posts
25 Nov 2014 9:28am
Bit scary. I wondered if it were possible and it is.
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
25 Nov 2014 10:44am
Has anyone got any good informative links for wiring against lightening
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
25 Nov 2014 11:39am
HG02 said..
Has anyone got any good informative links for wiring against lightening


When it's your time to get zapped, you will get zapped. To protect your wiring will be more good luck then good design. A typical lightning bolt will be in the order of 3.3 million volts and amperage has been recorded as high as 200,000 amps, though 20,000 to 30,000 is more average.
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
25 Nov 2014 12:22pm
It does try and find the easiest path
My thought were a heavy lead from the mast to the engine gear box and prop and sharft
What is hate is if it blew out some sea cocks
DrRog
DrRog
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
25 Nov 2014 5:59pm
HG02 said..

What is hate is if it blew out some sea cocks


True. But worse would be if it blew out my life, or my wife's, or my 84 year-old mother with pacemaker. You listening, Gaia? Take the freakin boat!

To paraphrase the wonderful saying, "Trust in Allah, but don't forget to tie your camel" - "Trust in God/Allah/Gaia, but wear rubber shoes, stay well away from all the metal bits, and helm your wheel with wooden spoons!"

I remember there was an article in a Sydney paper about a woman who had been living on the water at the Spit in a houseboat for years. Her lease was up and she said she'd miss, amongst other things, sitting and watching the storms roll in and lightning bolts striking the yachts!
WazzaYotty
WazzaYotty
QLD
302 posts
QLD, 302 posts
25 Nov 2014 5:42pm
LooseChange said..

HG02 said..
Has anyone got any good informative links for wiring against lightening



When it's your time to get zapped, you will get zapped. To protect your wiring will be more good luck then good design. A typical lightning bolt will be in the order of 3.3 million volts and amperage has been recorded as high as 200,000 amps, though 20,000 to 30,000 is more average.


After I got zapped I read extensively on the subject!! Bit late but, you never know. I've met one person who's been nailed 3 times in his career, twice whilst aboard..
The US Navy has spent billions on research to try to stop damage from lightning.....conclusion : if you are in the wrong place etc etc.

The definite information I got :
1
In an electrical storm, if possible, totally disconnect from the power source as many things as possible. Turning off at the powerboard / distribution board / instrument panel may not be enough as the voltage can and probably will jump the switch gap. The lightning travels round the negative wiring so I am told, as a common earth is usually used.
2 : Put all possible gear ( especially back up GPS, computers, hand held GPS, mobile phones and all spare batteries) into oven or microwave or biscuit tin. These act as a Faraday's Cage.....Ah, yes...I remember it now! At least these bits of gear will be OK. When we were hit, ALL our mobile phone batteries went instantly flat and our AAA battery digital clocks all reset to 1200 hrs!....don't ask me how!
3 : Turn OFF your mast head TV amplifier! Possibly where I went wrong. And don't use the VHF...I would strongly suggest totally disconnecting it...power lead and aerial lead out of the back of the unit. We were hit in a remote location and communication afterwards was an issue as we were out of mobile range and we had no spare handheld VHF ( which I should have had). Fortunately another vessel helped us.
4 : Carry a spare VHF aerial and aerial cable so that an emergency rig can be set up on deck or on masthead halliard.....after a strike your old one will be frazzled into the shape of a question mark and of no further use. Spare VHF aerials easy to get from Whitworths....wrap it up, store it away and one day you might be very glad you did.

I have read that some old salts have wrapped their anchor chain around the mast base and over the side into the briny to provide a "line of least resistance". Sounds like as reasonable idea but can get gnarly on the deck finish. No evidence that it necessarily works though.

Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
25 Nov 2014 6:55pm
Friend of mine was struck by lightening years ago, just knocked him to the ground and unfortunately killed his girlfriend. They were watching a game of hockey. We worked together in the river in alloy net boats and on occasion raced into the bank and kept clear of our boats during thunder storms the thinking being lightening strikes the highest point. Unfortunately he was killed a few years later in a capsize at the entrance.

At sea I have only had one occasssion of lightening striking around the boat but not hitting us. Wooden mast with aerials on top I would have thought was a good target. Night time heading home, all I can remember is the noise and a non stop deckhand talking in my ear!
andy59
andy59
QLD
1156 posts
QLD, 1156 posts
25 Nov 2014 5:58pm
Glad you're ok
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
25 Nov 2014 9:09pm
WazzaYotty said..

2 : Put all possible gear ( especially back up GPS, computers, hand held GPS, mobile phones and all spare batteries) into oven or microwave or biscuit tin. These act as a Faraday's Cage.....Ah, yes...I remember it now! At least these bits of gear will be OK. When we were hit, ALL our mobile phone batteries went instantly flat and our AAA battery digital clocks all reset to 1200 hrs!....don't ask me how!




Everything in the Faraday cage will possibly survive, anything outside of it stands a good chance of being fried by induced voltage, even if its not plugged in.
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
WA, 609 posts
27 Nov 2014 1:30pm
Read this after a posting on the windsurfing forum, glad to hear you are ok.

Just wanted to mention something I recently read in a book about Captain Cook, when he left england one of the new "hi tech" innovations he had fitted to the Endeavour was a lightning chain, this would be hoisted to the top of the mast and was connected "to a point below the waterline". This conducted the lightning down rather than it splitting the mast. His ship was struck several times and the chains saved them from serious damage.

The book is Cook, by Rob Mundle, a most enjoyable read.

WazzaYotty
WazzaYotty
QLD
302 posts
QLD, 302 posts
27 Nov 2014 5:16pm










hardpole said..

Read this after a posting on the windsurfing forum, glad to hear you are ok.

Just wanted to mention something I recently read in a book about Captain Cook, when he left england one of the new "hi tech" innovations he had fitted to the Endeavour was a lightning chain, this would be hoisted to the top of the mast and was connected "to a point below the waterline". This conducted the lightning down rather than it splitting the mast. His ship was struck several times and the chains saved them from serious damage.

The book is Cook, by Rob Mundle, a most enjoyable read.




Some more recent, but by no means less interesting, approaches. I've seen quite a few of the top left dissipators on yachts... I think they need to be the highest point of your mast...above your VHF.




Given that there are so many different systems on the market and still so many lightning strikes I have to assume that none of them are perfect!
scruzin
scruzin
SA
564 posts
SA, 564 posts
27 Nov 2014 6:10pm
WazzaYotty said..

LooseChange said..


HG02 said..
Has anyone got any good informative links for wiring against lightening




When it's your time to get zapped, you will get zapped. To protect your wiring will be more good luck then good design. A typical lightning bolt will be in the order of 3.3 million volts and amperage has been recorded as high as 200,000 amps, though 20,000 to 30,000 is more average.



After I got zapped I read extensively on the subject!! Bit late but, you never know. I've met one person who's been nailed 3 times in his career, twice whilst aboard..
The US Navy has spent billions on research to try to stop damage from lightning.....conclusion : if you are in the wrong place etc etc.

The definite information I got :
1
In an electrical storm, if possible, totally disconnect from the power source as many things as possible. Turning off at the powerboard / distribution board / instrument panel may not be enough as the voltage can and probably will jump the switch gap. The lightning travels round the negative wiring so I am told, as a common earth is usually used.
2 : Put all possible gear ( especially back up GPS, computers, hand held GPS, mobile phones and all spare batteries) into oven or microwave or biscuit tin. These act as a Faraday's Cage.....Ah, yes...I remember it now! At least these bits of gear will be OK. When we were hit, ALL our mobile phone batteries went instantly flat and our AAA battery digital clocks all reset to 1200 hrs!....don't ask me how!
3 : Turn OFF your mast head TV amplifier! Possibly where I went wrong. And don't use the VHF...I would strongly suggest totally disconnecting it...power lead and aerial lead out of the back of the unit. We were hit in a remote location and communication afterwards was an issue as we were out of mobile range and we had no spare handheld VHF ( which I should have had). Fortunately another vessel helped us.
4 : Carry a spare VHF aerial and aerial cable so that an emergency rig can be set up on deck or on masthead halliard.....after a strike your old one will be frazzled into the shape of a question mark and of no further use. Spare VHF aerials easy to get from Whitworths....wrap it up, store it away and one day you might be very glad you did.

I have read that some old salts have wrapped their anchor chain around the mast base and over the side into the briny to provide a "line of least resistance". Sounds like as reasonable idea but can get gnarly on the deck finish. No evidence that it necessarily works though.



Great suggestions. Thanks!
Sweetchariot
Sweetchariot
NSW
38 posts
NSW, 38 posts
30 Nov 2014 12:22am
Hi all

The list gets bigger.
Discovered yesterday that my Icom MF/HF radio is toast along with the auto antenna tuner, Ctek 12v to 12V charger and solar panel.
There will be more - no doubt.

All investigation so far is leading to the realisation that all circuits that utilised a switch before the "appliance" eg things operated from a switch panel, were saved but those that did not, radios, GPS, Autopilot etc that have an integral switch at the unit were damaged. Food for thought.

I exclude LED lighting from the above statement. It all fried switched or not.

Getting the rigger who replaced all my standing rigging last November, to go aloft on Tuesday to check things out. Usual Slipway is busy so i am waiting for a window to slip her and check things out under the waterline.

Will keep you posted.

Thanks for the comments and well wishes.

Steve
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