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Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
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23 Aug 2015 12:40pm
Hello all.
What would be the cost of someone delivering a yacht from syd to lake macquarie?
Thanks in advance
knight
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23 Aug 2015 2:39pm
G'day Sectorsteve,

Unfortunately that question is very much a "how long is a piece of string" question.

If you give us some of the variables involved we may be able to help:
What sort of yacht? Sailed up or delivered on the back of a truck? If sailed, do you want it to come up actually under sail, or are you happy for someone to run the engine and drive it up under power? Are you looking for help or do you just want to pay for it to appear? What condition is she in - is she capable of making a coastal voyage?

Start there and we will try and help. This can range from a six pack for a couple of people to come help you sail it through to several thousand dollars for the full professional crew.
Sectorsteve
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23 Aug 2015 2:56pm
Thanks knight. Sorry for the vague post!
I'm selling my bluebird 22 and the guy who wants it is in lake Mac. I'm in Woodford bay Sydney harbour. He's asked if I would help him sail it up there which I'm really keen to do. The total distance would be about 70nm. I'm thinking stop at barrenjoey head for a night, then on to lake mac early the next morning.
The boats 36 years old. I've had her in some blows and I think she wouldn't have a problem based on my experience with her. I've sailed her from broken bay to jibbon beach before, but always check the weather really well. Everything seems sound and I sail her about 30 hours per week so I think I have a fair idea of her hardware and rigging etc.. I think it isn't a problem and I'm up for the adventure.
i don't want to charge him for this, but I also don't want to be haggled in price as its priced to sell and she is cheap enough as is And coming with heaps of extras for 3k. I've got another boat waiting for me and just wanna get rI'd of the bluebird so I can slip my new tophat. I'm just curious what the costs would be for a trip of this nature , if you were to pay someone to do it. I'm kinda getting tired of time wasters and people trying to offer me stupid deals. I'm happy to sail it to lake mac for fun and for the price I'm asking.
def wanna sail all the way if possible. No motoring unless little wind making it hard to do 5knots.
brett221
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23 Aug 2015 3:59pm
You would do it on the best weather window with the aim to arrive and not sit too long for a bridge opening at Swansea at 6am, so it would be an overnighter.
With it being such a short trip, realistically the pay I would be expecting would be an agreed quoted hourly rate for the 70nm at 5kn @ $20 and hour would be $280.


Sectorsteve
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23 Aug 2015 4:40pm
Thanks brett. Was thinking to arrive swansea at about 1/2pm as would leave broken bay at about 5am.
Twohull
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23 Aug 2015 6:04pm
Sectorsteve said..
Thanks knight. Sorry for the vague post!
I'm selling my bluebird 22 and the guy who wants it is in lake Mac. I'm in Woodford bay Sydney harbour. He's asked if I would help him sail it up there which I'm really keen to do. The total distance would be about 70nm. I'm thinking stop at barrenjoey head for a night, then on to lake mac early the next morning.
The boats 36 years old. I've had her in some blows and I think she wouldn't have a problem based on my experience with her. I've sailed her from broken bay to jibbon beach before, but always check the weather really well. Everything seems sound and I sail her about 30 hours per week so I think I have a fair idea of her hardware and rigging etc.. I think it isn't a problem and I'm up for the adventure.
i don't want to charge him for this, but I also don't want to be haggled in price as its priced to sell and she is cheap enough as is And coming with heaps of extras for 3k. I've got another boat waiting for me and just wanna get rI'd of the bluebird so I can slip my new tophat. I'm just curious what the costs would be for a trip of this nature , if you were to pay someone to do it. I'm kinda getting tired of time wasters and people trying to offer me stupid deals. I'm happy to sail it to lake mac for fun and for the price I'm asking.
def wanna sail all the way if possible. No motoring unless little wind making it hard to do 5knots.


Fact, it was fiew years ago. My hired skiper asked me for: $2.00per mile, meals when under way and return air fare. It was from Newcastle NSW to Gladstone QLD. This info is only to help you to do estimate on the cost, Im guesing.
Sectorsteve
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23 Aug 2015 6:14pm
Yes that's right manitulak!
Im happy to help him get the boat there and in return i hope hes happy to repatriate me from Toronto and pay for food etc.
BlueMoon
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23 Aug 2015 5:43pm
Make it absolutely clear the buyer owns the boat, and receive the money & exchange documents on the sale before you leave. You don't want to be responsible for any breakages during delivery.
If the buyer would like you to assist in the delivery (which is a very valuable & useful experience for the buyer, to have the seller show them the systems first hand in practical situations), ask for an extra $100(to cover your transport) & a lift to the train station, you can take the train fare out of your extra money.
The buyer is the owner (that means they provide reasonable provisioning), if they are not experienced sailors, you should be the skipper, but a chat about that beforehand will eliminate any confusion, with an "All care taken, but no responsibility policy".
If the buyer doesn't want to sail make it $200 as you may want, to make it easier, to repatriate a mate aswell as yourself.
As you say, wait for the weather & it'll be an enjoyable trip.
ps, don't forget to head over to www.tophatyachts.com
cheers
Sectorsteve
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23 Aug 2015 8:08pm
Thanks blue moon. I totally agree. Well the guys that keen that he's depositing some $ in toniight. He went and bought a mooring already and is chomping at the bit.
ill get the ownership forms and money changed before we leave, which could be this Saturday! I love it when people do what they say they're going to!
it means now I can get the tophat ready. Ahhhh headroom, nice winches, comfort. Traveller on the cabin top....can't wait! I'll see you on the top hat forum!!
nswsailor
nswsailor
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23 Aug 2015 8:16pm
Steve,

If the new owner brings the food just check that what he brings is appropriate and enough for the trip plus an extra days worth
Sectorsteve
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23 Aug 2015 8:29pm
I think I might do the food actually and get him to fix me up. I'm a bit of a chef( I think!) and wanna have stuff ready made as per the advice from the good folk here. I'm a prepper and live right near the boat so I'll make some cannelloni and stuff that we can feast on in the cock pit. Knowing the boat well like I do and doing this trip Id prefer to just reheat some nice food for dinner as opposed to cuttin up onions etc and coowing from scratch.
getting excited. When the guy sent me the email last night I get wired thinking about it and couldn't sleep.
is is it worth buying an Alan lucas book just for this trip?
I might get him to get a chart. I've got one from broken bay to fort Denison! And he can get broken bay to Lake Macquarie.

RiffRaff
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23 Aug 2015 6:30pm
It's 70 miles, a lunch box and thermos should be sufficient
knight
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23 Aug 2015 8:49pm
Hey Sectorsteve,
That makes a lot more sense, and I don't think I can offer any extra advice that the others havn't mentioned.

However, I am curious what call sign you'll be travelling under & 27mhz or VHF? I'm planning to start moving my yacht north from Sans Souci and probably finish at Pittwater (although if the wind is with us might try to get to Newcastle or Nelson Bay).
If you want company I'll be in a Top Hat flying a Top Hat burgee, callsign Yacht Galini.
Sectorsteve
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23 Aug 2015 9:15pm
Company would be great. Ill be on vhf. Call sign "aroha"
When do you think youll be leaving. Saturday could be good.
knight
knight
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24 Aug 2015 6:59am
We are planning to pick up the public mooring at the entrance to Botany Bay the night before and probably slip lines at around 0400.
I'm only planning on a 3 knot passage speed, which should put me at the entrance to Pittwater at around 1700-1800 (don't have my passage plan in front of me - so just working off memory)
I think the departures time will put me about 2 hour astern of you - again guess only.

How does 68 grab you as a working channel - I'm sure my radio has duel watch..... Somehow
Sectorsteve
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24 Aug 2015 9:09am
68 is good. What days are you talking. Saturday?
Yara
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24 Aug 2015 9:49am
Steve,
The bar at Lake Mac can be tricky, and you have to plan your trip to be there at the right time. Also the leads have been known to be wrong, so it would be well worthwhile talking to the locals to get the latest update.

Having a reliable motor to get over the bar is also a good idea. When I did it in my Bluebird, it was very stressful, as the fuel pump packed in, and I had to keep pumping the priming bulb at the same time as navigating/steering.
Sectorsteve
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24 Aug 2015 10:09am
Thanks yara. The motors never let me down before so hopefully should be ok. I found a phone number of some locals who can see the channel. Will give them a buzz. Looks shallow in parts. Someone online said that anything under 2m draft is fine but i guess this is a different case. May have to time it a bit with incoming tide Saturday by standing off a few hours. No swelll this weekend.
BlueMoon
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24 Aug 2015 9:03am
Im certainly no expert on weather forecasting.
The weather forecasts for the end of this week(wed/thur/fri) have changed so many times ive lost count, & once the forecast changing 180degrees, within a few hours, its tricky. Even the BOM is saying its "uncertain" in its forecast realeased today.
IF the blow predicted for Tue, eases on Wed, Thur/Fri looks good. Sat & Sun are out of the question at this early stage according to my take of BOM (back to NE'ers).

If you get to LM om fri arvo, the tides aren't perfect, but may be possible to cross the bar around 1500(low tide & slack water) - 1600. I think the bar will be fine but the longer you leave it on fri arvo/evening, the stronger the tidal current will be, as its a big tidal range then(nearly full moon), the tide is going to be racing in hard.

For these short coastal hops, I have learnt the hard way, that I never decide to actually leave, until im sitting onboard....ready to go...with all the weather forecasts in front of me
Sectorsteve
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24 Aug 2015 2:04pm
The forecast isnt looking too bad this weekend according to seabreeze?
As for the swansea channel would have to stand off for a few hours out to sea or time it for a few hours into changing tide..
Yara
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24 Aug 2015 2:20pm
Not forgetting that the tides at Swansea are quite a lot delayed compared to Sydney. There is also the channel on the inside of the bridge, where the flow is very rapid, and would be ripping along this weekend with the big tide range.
Sectorsteve
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24 Aug 2015 2:51pm
Think we might hold off til the following weekend. however I've called a local, hopefully he'll get back to me with some info abt the channels current state.
BlueMoon
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24 Aug 2015 2:08pm
I have found the 6 & 7 day away forecast can be a bit unreliable on SB, unless there is a seasonal trend happening.
Saturday on SB is starting to come around to the NE now at Newcastle. on BOM Saturday at Newcastle is showing 10-15kts NE, but at Wallsend, Newcastle its showing NW....im guessing that's what SB was previously picking up on.
You may not have the luxury of standing off, with your feet up & the kettle on Steve,.....on a small yacht with the EAC, the swell & any unpredicted conditions, you might end up pushing hard to get there during daylight hrs.
You'll be conversing with VMR LM anyway, they can let you know about the bar & channel conditions, they are perfectly positioned at the bar, they will let you know if you are not on the leads.
If you mention to VMR LM its your first time over the Swansea bar, Im sure they will bend over backwards to assist you!, this might even include an escort up the channel to the Drop-Over, You'll feel like blo0dy royalty being escorted up the channel in the 22ft'er, its not needed though.
Just make sure you get going through the bridge right, with the correct tide state.
BlueMoon
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24 Aug 2015 3:19pm
Just in the last 1 hour the BOM forecast has done a 180 for Saturday again. Its too far out....
BOM & SB are starting to align their forecasts at least
Sectorsteve
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24 Aug 2015 6:16pm
Maybe the weathers hard to predict atm??
Regardless because of the tide/moon this weekend not being right, i think its safer to wait til i can get through at 3/4 - full tide in daylight.
morningsun
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24 Aug 2015 8:47pm
A Bluebird shouldn't have any trouble getting into the lake, even at low tide, but check with Marine Rescue Lake Mac, with regards to actual depth at bar.
marinerescuelakemacquarie.com.au/
Pass to seaward of Moon Isl.
I have been told to favour the northern edge of the first set of leads, from offshore to crossover. A TO B.
B to C, just keep the leads in line, they will be behind you, on the southern shore.
The red lines are descriptive of the way in, but not accurate, Follow the Leads, the channel is marked all the way to the drop over.
Marine rescue is the small building in the triangular area, to the right of the name Reids Reserve.



After you have crossed over to the northern side, the channel is deep, and you will follow the northern shore to the bridge. There is a jetty outside the R.S.L. club, and some courtesy moorings if you need to wait for the bridge and dont want to do circles...



After you are through the bridge, the channel follows the western shore, then another crossover, to south of the boat ramp, then down to VMR boatshed.
You then follow the leads down to the drop over.


I haven't been down the channel for a while, but the red square is the area I have had trouble with, but I draw 2mtrs. This are has been dredged but Lake Mac Marine rescue will let you know the current state of the channel.


Its still early to be picking the weather, but if you can get to the entrance by about 2pm on Sunday, it should be close to slack water low tide, and you should be able to go in on a rising tide. Lets hope the prediction of approx. 15kn SSW is right, you should have a great sail up, dont forget an EPIRB, if you go more than 2nm offshore, but the usual trick going north is to hang in close to shore to try and stay inside any southerly current. Make sure you have a proper marine chart, there are some bricks to avoid along the way.




Sectorsteve
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25 Aug 2015 9:05am
Awesome morning sun thanks alot. Yes i didnt think my draft would matter too much being only 4ft. So if low tides at 2pm sunday or 3pm cant remember, you think we'd be right current wise to chugg up there an hour after low tide?
morningsun
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25 Aug 2015 11:50am

The tide looks to be low at around 2:19pm.
The time lag between the heads and the drop over, (lake end), can be up to 2.5/3 hrs, so you may still find the tide running out after the bridge. Again check with Marine Rescue on state of the channel, and depths all the way through. The BOATING INFO drop down menu on their site has heaps of info, go to Weather and Tides" down near bottom, it inc. a link to the webcam of the bar which is at the station on the headland, here is a link, it slowly auto pans and zooms.

http://www.marinerescuelakemacquarie.com.au/index.php/information/weather-tides

On the left of the webcam page are links to bridge opening times, if you got a 4pm bridge, I would think that the tide flow should be pretty minimal in the channel, using "rule of 12th's". A 5pm bridge should see you being able to get into the lake with still some daylight left.

If you can motor at 5 kn, you should make the 4pm bridge if you arrive at Swansea heads by 3.30pm,
"Weekends and public holidaysOn weekends and public holidays,
Swansea Bridge automatically opens at:
6am,7am, 8am, 4pm, 5pm, 6pm, 7pm. All other times require one hour's notice.
If the bridge is required to be opened before 6am or after 7pm then six hours notice is required.To make a Swansea Bridge booking, telephone (02) 4971 3498."
Done some of your homework fo ya...
Have a good trip and be safe.

Sectorsteve
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25 Aug 2015 2:29pm
You certainly have morning sun. Thank you so much. Yet to look at the swansea maritime channels website but it all sounds pretty positive for going through sunday.im getting excited. Dont have epirb but do have vhf, power, phones and ipads with navionics and a standalone gps. will be doing hourly chart plotts also. I dont think we'll be going out further than 2nm.
CanAussie14
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25 Aug 2015 4:08pm
Sorry for slightly off-topic question, but I was under the impression that the requirement for EPIRB was for 2nm out of the heads, not simply 2nm offshore?
Lazzz
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25 Aug 2015 6:21pm
CanAussie14 said..
Sorry for slightly off-topic question, but I was under the impression that the requirement for EPIRB was for 2nm out of the heads, not simply 2nm offshore?


From the RMS website:

A 406 MHz EPIRB is a simple and effective alerting and locating device that is compulsory for all vessels operating more than two nautical miles from the shore. It is also recommended for all vessels operating in remote locations or areas of high risk. The EPIRB should be accessible but stowed to avoid inadvertent activation. Do not stow the EPIRB in the bottom of a locker.
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