Piros said..
1010 ....

I would have put money the 1020.

DWF said..

tightlines said..

Piros said..
1010 ....

I would have put money the 1020.

1020 if you're a big dude. 1010 will leave you gassed and dead in the water, if the wind drops. Ask me how I know

Same

Big guy, light wind winging, 1020 with a 440 or 500 tail will deadset win hands down although as soon as there is enough wind you will have more fun on the 1010.

Thanks for the feedback Piros.
I assume you meant the curved down 390 stabiliser
Were you on the short fuselage ?

Looks like a hyper 190 with almost the exact dimensions from what i can tell?

Piros I see you have a couple of washers shimming the mast at the back, does this keep the nose a bit higher on the fanatic? is it the 6'3 or 6'7.

Thanks that's interesting, do you like the fanatic 4'8 prone ? I have the 5'2 and love it , and was thinking my next one might be the 4'8. I had the 5'2 replaced on warranty as it was a little soft in spots and developed cracks, think it must have been made on a Friday, the new one seems fine.

I've done 2 paddle 10km+ downwinders on the 980 now in pretty good condtions (15-20knots) (Riding the downcurved tail)
I normally ride the 900 for surf and ding and the 1010 only for paddle downwinders. Im 74kg and fit enough.
The 980 seems to be "up to" 5km per hour faster than the 1010 on my 1km splits. Def faster and to be honest I wasn't enjoying the 101 in the end as for some reason I felt like I was wrestling it too much. Not sure why so many people rave about it but thats just me.
The 980 is not easy to get up. Similar to the 900 which I could never really crack from dw paddle so opted for the 1010 which was easy for me but too slow to latch onto the big fast bumps.
Today I did pretty good and got the 980 up in some pretty small bumps - but its a lot of work and technique. I think avg Joe will def need a bigger version for dw paddling. For the ding will be great.
Havent had it in good surf yet so I'll reserve my surf judgement as I still love my 900 on the SUP, but I'm sure I'm going to get addcited to the extra speed - and yes it pumps well. Slightly different technique but great glide and as Piros says it just flies across the flat sections.
It needs to be moving then it just holds it speed so well.
Yes Axis piss me off too like every other foil brand where you think the next wing is the next big thing and will finally be the magic one to solve all your kook problems and you fork out again, and again.
Truth is everyone seems to want a wing for a different thing and I see lot of forums filled with dingers and flat water wanna-be pumpers giving advice to prone surfers, and people who just wanna swear by a brand because you'd think they were sponsored or something etc

So my quick summary verdict for "dw paddling only" - faster, enough to crack the next level where you are moving over and through bumps you used to have to turn off. So the 10% extra speed or whatever you'll have to pay for, for me personally well worth it, as it got me to the next critical level of DW that is a must to breakthrough. Suddenly I'm looking 3-4 bumps ahead to mow down rather than for the valley next door and lathcing onto groundswells that used to pass me by. I'm getting close enough to the fastest guys now to be content for my age.
BUT she is tough to get up. Just compare it to the 900 for simplicity sake. No point paddling around for 10 mins trying to get up. Maybe wait for a bigger version that will be close in speed.

Or fxxx it just buy another wing... lifes too short to spend it on your wife and kids.

pps I'm sure GoFoil, Takuma and some other soon to be released wings from the One crew are prob better as I've been passed by them plenty of times. Axis just have me by the balls and it's too cheap to get "just one more" rather than change a whole setup.

Any information about smaller wing for prone ?? I hope they come up with a small hight aspect wing.

frenchfoiler said..
Any information about smaller wing for prone ?? I hope they come up with a small hight aspect wing.

The rumor mill says: 930, 880, 700.

Comparison pics of the 1010 & 980 big difference in cord and wing tips . Have a look how more streamlined the black fuse connection is on the 980 compared to the 1010.

Alysum said..
I tried the 980 yesterday on the wing coupled with the 390 stab and the ultra short fuse (644mm).

It is fast and glides nicely. I didn't have any issues getting it going. But also quite twitchy. Someone came up with the term "hobby horsing" which describes the up/down pulses coming from too much lift, going super fast, picking up too much energy, from the chopping surface.
Is this normal on all thin flat wings ? Any suggestions on how to make it a bit more stable ?

Higher AR wings are much more sensitive to changes in angle of attack. A longer fuse will help this pitch sensitivity but you will probably get used to it pretty quickly.

Ok so hobby horsing is normal for those very flat wings ?

I never experienced that with the 1000HA wing.

I'm wondering whether the short fuselage would be better to counter this (over the ultra short) but then I'd lose some pumping and turning.
Even turning on the 980 feels very strange, it feels like standing on a plank that doesn't want to turn but it skips sideways.
I noticed I touch down a lot more with the 980.
I guess I could get used to it, definitely prefer the stability and turnability of the 1000HA but I like the extra speed and glide of the 980.

DWF said..

Alysum said..
I tried the 980 yesterday on the wing coupled with the 390 stab and the ultra short fuse (644mm).

It is fast and glides nicely. I didn't have any issues getting it going. But also quite twitchy. Someone came up with the term "hobby horsing" which describes the up/down pulses coming from too much lift, going super fast, picking up too much energy, from the chopping surface.
Is this normal on all thin flat wings ? Any suggestions on how to make it a bit more stable ?

Try it with the short fuse and 420 tail. It's a completely different animal.

A low drag front wing, really needs an ultra low drag tail, and thin foils work better on longer fuselages. All that you experienced goes away and it releases full beast mode.

Yes thanks Adrian also said to go with the 420. However since I have a short fuselage S series I'm keen to go ultra short for the black series. Mainly for the pumping and to assist with turning since its less turning than anything S series.

I'm not a team rider just an average customer and pay allot of money for all my gear.

Ok so Axis is now running with two different standards for fuselage mount to wings red and black.
As a foil addict this is giving me a headache. Do I run with two different fuselage standards. Do I sell all my red wings and change to black. Has the red resale value gone out the window? Do I change to another brand. They don't appear to be backward compatible WTF?

Solution needed: Is it possible to engineer an alloy adaptor plate that screws to old wings that we can bolt the black fuselage to? Only need to run black fuse with plates on red wings?

Even better can we make a fuselage that fits both red and black? Red wings now compatible to black and not totally redundant.?