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Short vid .on my 9.1 sunova Acid .

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Created by Tardy 4 months ago, 7 Jun 2018
flowmaster
287 posts
14 Jun 2018 11:57PM
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wow, fantastic custom that is, love it

bomberdave
VIC, 108 posts
15 Jun 2018 8:19AM
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Rick

Where does the acid sit against the creek???

JKimbler
313 posts
15 Jun 2018 12:21PM
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How beautiful is that spot? Reminds me of Oregon. Gotta admit, I love shallow spots too...

supthecreek
1562 posts
15 Jun 2018 12:22PM
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bomberdave said..
Rick

Where does the acid sit against the creek???

First off, as someone previously said:
"the ACID is not for the faint of heart"
The super thin nose and tail, make it an "advanced" level board

The Creek has just enough "more" in the nose and tail, to make "performance" more user friendly.

I loved my 9'4 Acid, but I just couldn't surf it with my winter gear on.....
I designed the Creek to give me performance as close to the Acid as I could get, but still be manageable in winter gear.

The super thin nose of the Acid throws around easier, but the Tail of the Acid didn't work for me in bigger waves.
That is why I put the Speeed tail on the Creek.... that tail handles everything with ease, from small to big.

I love my 9'4 Acid up to 5', then it gets a bit sticky off the bottom turn.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, It is an absolute gem in smaller waves... throws around like a shortboard.

I have never had my 9'1 Creek in waves of any quality, so it remains to be seen how that matches up to my 9'4 Acid. (same liters)

Last summer I rode the 9'1 Acid in some juice and it was awesome, but it was a real struggle for me, out the back.
I was pleasantly surprised today, when the 9'1 was fairly comfortable, even though almost underwater.
I think my skills have actually improved this year, so I am looking forward to riding my 9'1 Acid more.

It's going to be interesting to see which board I gravitate to this summer.
9'1 Creek, 9'1 Acid, 9'4 Acid or 9'0 Flash look alike.... actually, it isn't a Flash at all, same outline, buy it has very little rocker and low nose kick. I brought it home from Thailand and I really like that as well.

I think it will end up that each one has a distinct place in the quiver.

My choice is clear when it gets OH... Creek all the way. I trust it.... it is very fast, solid off the bottom and carves around with ease.

Today was tiny.... but we did a little round robin session with the 9'1 Creek (136 L), 9'1 Acid (126 L) and 9'0 Custom (133 L)
My Kook Hat Cam died before I got on the Creek.... but here's some pics (looks better than it was)










Tardy
2499 posts
15 Jun 2018 3:10PM
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the creek is easier to ride ,but the acids has more squirt in the turns .

the 8,10 i rode in maldives was 125 litre same as the 9,1 acid ,the acid is wobblier to paddle .even though longer .

the extra nose width on the creek sure does make life easy .well done Creek .
but as creek said the acid is a amazing little live wire ,i love it .
I'm in the throws of getting another larger one for the not so good days ,i had to go custom as i didn't want to
go the full hog of 136 litres and 9,4 .thats the next acid size up from the 9,1 .
i traded my flash in .too much rocker for me .

oh.love ya board surfingJ

SunnyBouy
270 posts
16 Jun 2018 12:37AM
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I dream of waves like your lot

moogengronko
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16 Jun 2018 4:49AM
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Tardy said..
the creek is easier to ride ,but the acids has more squirt in the turns .

the 8,10 i rode in maldives was 125 litre same as the 9,1 acid ,the acid is wobblier to paddle .even though longer .

the extra nose width on the creek sure does make life easy .well done Creek .
but as creek said the acid is a amazing little live wire ,i love it .
I'm in the throws of getting another larger one for the not so good days ,i had to go custom as i didn't want to
go the full hog of 136 litres and 9,4 .thats the next acid size up from the 9,1 .
i traded my flash in .too much rocker for me .

oh.love ya board surfingJ


Are you implying that the flash has more rocker than the acid(and Creek?) therefore is less stable?

Tardy
2499 posts
16 Jun 2018 9:07AM
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moogengronko said..

Tardy said..
the creek is easier to ride ,but the acids has more squirt in the turns .

the 8,10 i rode in maldives was 125 litre same as the 9,1 acid ,the acid is wobblier to paddle .even though longer .

the extra nose width on the creek sure does make life easy .well done Creek .
but as creek said the acid is a amazing little live wire ,i love it .
I'm in the throws of getting another larger one for the not so good days ,i had to go custom as i didn't want to
go the full hog of 136 litres and 9,4 .thats the next acid size up from the 9,1 .
i traded my flash in .too much rocker for me .

oh.love ya board surfingJ



Are you implying that the flash has more rocker than the acid(and Creek?) therefore is less stable?


yes and no .I'm more implying the board speed .

supthecreek
1562 posts
16 Jun 2018 1:20PM
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The Flash is much more Stable than the Acid, IMO

I paddled an 8'6 Flash at 112 liters, with ease on flat water..... the 8'7 Acid is 106 liters and I'd have zero hope of getting up on it.
The 9'0 Flash (133 L) is much more stable than my 9'1 Acid (126 L)

Tardy
2499 posts
16 Jun 2018 1:45PM
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Yep spot on supthecreek.I think 3 different board s are the way to go

Gboots
NSW, 545 posts
16 Jun 2018 4:05PM
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The "Acid" is meant to be for critical waves....but I am getting the impressions that it goes very well in smaller waves. Given the relative instability of the Acid and it's relative low volume to length, would an oversized Acid be a good choice for an intermediate in waves of say 2 ft (beach breaks) ? Given you could increase the length , there would be the added advantage of improved glide and better paddle speed.
I also keep reading that it is a much better paddler than the flow .
For example an 8'10 Acid may be a better option in 2 foot waves than say an 8'4 Flow

8'4 Flow 113 L 29 3/8 wide
8'10 Acid 116 L 29 3/4 wide

Love all this analysis

supthecreek
1562 posts
16 Jun 2018 8:26PM
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Gboots said..
The "Acid" is meant to be for critical waves....but I am getting the impressions that it goes very well in smaller waves. Given the relative instability of the Acid and it's relative low volume to length, would an oversized Acid be a good choice for an intermediate in waves of say 2 ft (beach breaks) ? Given you could increase the length , there would be the added advantage of improved glide and better paddle speed.
I also keep reading that it is a much better paddler than the flow .
For example an 8'10 Acid may be a better option in 2 foot waves than say an 8'4 Flow

8'4 Flow 113 L 29 3/8 wide
8'10 Acid 116 L 29 3/4 wide

Love all this analysis


IMO....
The Acid ALWAYS surfs better than the Flow.
Because it's a high performance shape.
The Flow is ALWAYS more stable than the Acid, because it is more of a stability shape.

My 8'10 Flow is arguably more stable than my 9'4 Acid....
I can surf my 8'10 Flow (130 L) in a full wetsuit, but I can't do that on my 9'4 Acid (136 L)
BUT
My 9'4 Acid surfs way better than my 8'10 Flow..... IMO
but then, I am probably surfing the Flow wrong.... I've seen guys rip the crap out of it.
Folks that prefer Quad set-up don't have that choice in the Acid.

Demo the 8'10 Acid and see... bring your Flow to compare.

The super thin nose and tail of the Acid really test my old man "front to back" stability, because I lack the leg strength to recover from those dips.
Side to side, the Acid is really easy, because it is fairly wide.
I think that width, is what allows the Acid to surf smaller and weaker waves well.
In small waves, my 9'4 Acid seems to get lots of "lift" from that width.
Note:
Once paddling or surfing, the Acid nose is a total joy. It's best feature IMO
I allows me to throw the board around with ease..... and I love looking down at it

The obvious cost of all that performance is.... it requires a skill set to use in your "normal" size..... even in a bigger size, it challenges me.
That, and I don't use it in bigger waves. Which I always add because I want to always give my honest feedback.
I've seen Jacy killing bottom turns on the Acid in OH Hawaiian surf, so again... everything about life is personal, and everyone is different.

As to your question:
IMO, my 9'4 Acid, easily out-surfs my 8'10 Flow

Funny thing about this video.... I started the session on my 8'10 Flow,
but after riding my 9'4 Creek all summer, I was really let down by the smaller Flow.
I made the 1,600 yard walk to the car park and grabbed my 9'4 Acid for comparison.
1st time I surfed the Acid since my Creek came.

Acid in 2' beachbreak last summer.


cantSUPenough
VIC, 1631 posts
16 Jun 2018 11:05PM
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For what it is worth, I love my acids.

I have an 8'7, 8'10, and 9'1. I am 93 kg now, but have been as high as 95 kg (+ wettie) and as low as 88 kg (on a surf trip last year). I am 56 yo, 6'3, and do not consider myself to be a pro; I am barely intermediate. But I personally feel fine on the acid. And when I am not traveling, I may get to surf more than once a week.

I had an 8'7 Flow and moved from there to the 8'10 acid. I bought the 9'1 because I am often surfing at a very lumpy break that is 1 km off-shore, and often they are head-high+ waves, but they can be a little fat - the extra length and stability increases the probability of catching them. But I have happily ridden my 8'10 out there too when the weather is warmer (no wettie).

I love the 8'7 acid, but at 106L it is challenging if I am over, say, 92 kg and in winter with the wettie. I wish I had it on my recent Maldives trip - we had some good conditions.

I have since sold my 8'7 Flow.

I recently bought a used custom 8'8 Flash @119L. I have only tried it three times. I enjoyed it, but it didn't make my toes tingle. I went back to the acid and my toes tingled. OK, the acid is a bit longer, but it is thinner and I don't feel penalized by that.

As you saw in the video I posted a few days ago, I have ridden the acid in small waves, and I have ridden it in bigger waves - I think it is great. The speed may be better suited to smaller, clean, nose-ridable waves, but I still like my acid.

I now have quite a few boards I may never use again...

Stev0
392 posts
17 Jun 2018 6:13AM
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I feel that the reason my "oversize" (@83kg) 8'10 Acid works sweet in small weak waves is due to a a few design traits:
1. A wide thin nose with a big single concave up front as this provides a decent surface area to create "lift". I can catch anything on my Acid.
2.The other reason it rips small wave is that it has a lot of outline curve so you can turn it from the middle of the board which means you can 'nurse' your turns when the waves are weak &/or choppy. i.e you don't need to be on the kickpad to turn it like some shapes.
3. Once you have got on a weak wave and get a chance to get back on that thin tail it snaps around beautifully for a big board!

I appreciate this is not the design brief for the Acid but it is an amazing bonus to have a high performance board that you can use in soft waves! In my review of the 8'10 I compared the Acid to a "supercar that you can still have fun taking to the supermarket".

Bert is probably rolling his eyes as his board range includes shapes for weak waves and the Acid is not one of them haha.

I have a 7'4 @104L Deep Minion for the small clean days and that feels like a skateboard but as soon as it gets choppy I'm on the Acid which is most of the time the last 18 months.

Tardy
2499 posts
17 Jun 2018 8:45AM
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Gboots said..
The "Acid" is meant to be for critical waves....but I am getting the impressions that it goes very well in smaller waves. Given the relative instability of the Acid and it's relative low volume to length, would an oversized Acid be a good choice for an intermediate in waves of say 2 ft (beach breaks) ? Given you could increase the length , there would be the added advantage of improved glide and better paddle speed.
I also keep reading that it is a much better paddler than the flow .
For example an 8'10 Acid may be a better option in 2 foot waves than say an 8'4 Flow

8'4 Flow 113 L 29 3/8 wide
8'10 Acid 116 L 29 3/4 wide

Love all this analysis


hey g boot your first sentence nailed it ..the acid is for critical waves...its because of this what it makes it so good in small waves

...it can Turn very quickly ....

you know when your on a small wave theres not much room for turns ,it doesn't need it ,and having the extra length for the small wave
its like a cold beer on a hot day ,it just works...

I had my 9,1 in 2 foot yesterday ,worked well ,even though i wasn't on the tail all the time as SteveO pointed out, you don't need to be ,

i have a 8,7 flow too .it would be a tough comparison ,but the extra 5 litre of foam maybe the difference ...i will have to test ,
I know if theres any chop the 9.1will be the board i would take out ,

Gboots
NSW, 545 posts
17 Jun 2018 1:53PM
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Some excellent feedback here.
Thanks Creek, CSE, StevO, and Tardy.
I am happy with my Speed 8'8 but would love to add to the quiver sometime this year .
Due to my lightweight at around 70kg wet in winter an oversized Acid could be a real for the next addition. I could be boring and get a smaller Speeed (say an 8'2) but I reckon something like an 8'10 Acid would be more versatile and broaden the range of my quiver .

Tardy
2499 posts
17 Jun 2018 5:17PM
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well i done the test for you today ...
this is as close as i can get to your sizes ..me 98 kgs 8,7 120 litre flow quad vs 9,1 acid .125 litres ,

chest high ,light off shore wave .

stability was simular .
but the acid had better paddling power onto the wave .and still ripped .
the 8,7 flow .had to paddle harder to catch the wave ,had to push the turns harder due to less glide
but still ripped.the flow needs your foot on the back kicker, or else it stalls in the turns ,which i did do .being a shorter board..
the acid almost turned for you .ITS the pulled in tail and nose .good bite on the wave .
both where great ,but the acid did a couple more things better and a little easier ,it was a close match .
but yes i would take the acid next time ,but i still love my little flow ,

8,10 would be perfect for your ...light weight ,

moogengronko
22 posts
17 Jun 2018 5:50PM
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So im 75-78 kg, intermediate , getting better, have :
8' 10" flow for stability
8' custom tomo shape for small and clean
7' 9 " shroom for utter goop

For performance, do i go :
Creek 8'7"?
Acid ? 8'10' or 9'1"?
Flash 8'9"?

There is just too much choice!!!

supthecreek
1562 posts
17 Jun 2018 9:48PM
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A bit tough to call because of your range of boards.

You did your math exactly right, according to my take on the boards you ride now.
Your comfort zone ranges from 1.35 to 1.66 (Shroom to Flow)
Average 1.5

That works out to
Acid 8'10 at 116 L
Creek 8'7 at 115 L

However, your comfort level suggests to me that the numbers may mislead you.
Real world example:
Your 8'10 Flow is more stable than:
9'1 Creek
9'4 Acid

You do ride some very short boards, so maybe your Flow is throwing the math out of balance.....
Only you know if the Flow is way to easy for you.

If you can handle an Acid, then you should have one in your quiver.

My suggestion is 9'1 Acid
It will be harder than your Flow, but if you want performance, this will do it, without making you miserable.
I came up with this because of your Flow.... so go with the 8'10 Acid, if you are up for a challenge and want an amazing jump in performance.




SunnyBouy
270 posts
18 Jun 2018 12:31AM
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I'm watching this thread with a lot of interest, thanks for the critique chaps.

Tardy
2499 posts
18 Jun 2018 6:46AM
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i would also suggest the 8,10 acid for you for your weight...,i wish i was light enough to ride one ...
i find my 8,10 flow too big for me now .@ 130 /31 1/8. for shredding.

8,10 acid 115 /29 3/4. big difference . be a great fun board for you ,be a good add .


sunnybouy ,you got to get one too..its a killer board .

Traff
SA, 67 posts
18 Jun 2018 8:16PM
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I have a 7'10 Acid and 7'5 custom creek, both around 80 litres. I found the Acid was a great board but IMO was better for smaller waves. When the surf got overhead I found the Acid would skip out when you went to drive hard off a bottom turn, which is not really what you want in larger surf. At the time the creek was in its first production I spoke to Tino from Sunova saying I would like an Acid with the tail of the Speeed and he told me about the Creek (great minds think a like, Rick) which was good timing. Even though the Acid looks to have a small tail relative to other SUPs it still has a large tail area compared to a surfboard so the channels provide extra grip and drive when you only have 70kg to bury the tail I had the nose pulled in on my Creek more like the Flow so it would be better for late drops and its works a treat. Lately I have been using the Creek as a twin fin in small waves and it goes unreal. So fast and loose!!

SunnyBouy
270 posts
18 Jun 2018 7:04PM
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Ha!
I'm still down to retest the 8'4 Creek I had on loan a few months back (conditions were horrible at the time) but I've always looked at the Acid as a high performance board, my mate says the same about them skipping out in big stuff.... and since I don't ride big stuff I will continue down the Creek route.. But, I really should sell one of my quiver shouldn't I ??

supthecreek
1562 posts
19 Jun 2018 4:03AM
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Traff said..
I have a 7'10 Acid and 7'5 custom creek, both around 80 litres. I found the Acid was a great board but IMO was better for smaller waves. When the surf got overhead I found the Acid would skip out when you went to drive hard off a bottom turn, which is not really what you want in larger surf. At the time the creek was in its first production I spoke to Tino from Sunova saying I would like an Acid with the tail of the Speeed and he told me about the Creek (great minds think a like, Rick) which was good timing. Even though the Acid looks to have a small tail relative to other SUPs it still has a large tail area compared to a surfboard so the channels provide extra grip and drive when you only have 70kg to bury the tail I had the nose pulled in on my Creek more like the Flow so it would be better for late drops and its works a treat. Lately I have been using the Creek as a twin fin in small waves and it goes unreal. So fast and loose!!


Thanks Traff, love the pics and vids of you ripping great waves!

I just put a little 3" center fin in my 9'1 Creek, and I like the idea of twinzer Creek!
I am sure with the channels, that sidebites will be enough for most days.
I did that with my 8'10 Allwave, then 8'10 RAW..... it was really fun and surprisingly drivey!
That's next, if we ever get any surf.... ankle biters this week would be an overstatement.

surfinJ
397 posts
19 Jun 2018 9:26PM
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JKimbler said..
How beautiful is that spot? Reminds me of Oregon. Gotta admit, I love shallow spots too...



Tardy, your spot is so cool, I guess the rocks are a small price to pay for the solo option.

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Traff said..
I have a 7'10 Acid and 7'5 custom creek, both around 80 litres. I found the Acid was a great board but IMO was better for smaller waves. When the surf got overhead I found the Acid would skip out when you went to drive hard off a bottom turn, which is not really what you want in larger surf. At the time the creek was in its first production I spoke to Tino from Sunova saying I would like an Acid with the tail of the Speeed and he told me about the Creek (great minds think a like, Rick) which was good timing. Even though the Acid looks to have a small tail relative to other SUPs it still has a large tail area compared to a surfboard so the channels provide extra grip and drive when you only have 70kg to bury the tail



Do you think you might need a smaller board keep it in the water?

I guess I have too many boards because I've only used my still quite new Acid a handful of times. And all of these surfs were at a big wave spot breaking about double overhead or more. Some of the times I've regretted not having the gun but I want this board to fit in that nitch, overhead to double.

When the board first arrived it was the first Acid I'd touched and the tail alarmed me to be honest. It looked real wide small wave kinda tail. But I just pressed ahead trusting Bert and slippage has not been a problem. I guess the 125l matches my 95kgs ok.

While the first surfs were as a thruster I've reverted back to quads which is my norm. Feels looser to me.




Tardy
2499 posts
20 Jun 2018 6:58AM
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looks good surfinJ..Love the rusta colours ,

rocks don't move like sand ,so our break remains the same every year ...i have been up on them a few times

Stev0
392 posts
20 Jun 2018 6:44PM
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Is that pasta Acid a custom thruster/quad set up or do the latest Acid boards come with the five fin box cluster?

Stev0
392 posts
20 Jun 2018 6:44PM
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Is that pasta Acid a custom thruster/quad set up or do the latest Acid boards come with the five fin box cluster?

Tardy
2499 posts
27 Jun 2018 6:14AM
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Hey SeveO ,Pretty sure its a full custom ,

Just reading a few comments on here about the tail sliding on the acid ..
on the bottom hand turn on big waves ,yes i did do one ,but it was mostly because i hadn't stepped back yet on the tail ,
once i fixed the stance ,it was all good .I'd have to say it does like the nicer conditions ,as this board cuts like a knife .
The 7 FCCS FCS fins are well suited ...
THE ACIDS are quite long for their width and volume ,where as the 8,10 creek ,same volume .
2 very different boards ,the acid is looser.and a little less stable ,i like the way the acid turns .
the creek feels more shorter and stumpier ,simular to the flow ..,i reckon these 2 are the pick of the bunch .unfortunately
i had to give the creek back ,so I'M stuck with a 8,7 flow and 9,1 acid ,couldn't be happier,
get out there and get on acid

surfinJ ,I RECKON your onto it putting quads on it ,for big WAVES ... i think quads are great in big waves

surfinJ
397 posts
28 Jun 2018 1:53PM
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My long prone surf career ran the usual gamut for guys our age, single to twin to thruster. I had never ridden a quad
before the sup but that changed with my first PSH's as Blane recommended the quad. Since then I've built up quite the fin collection and except for the occasional single session on a log, 4 it will be.



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