lacey said...

i love a good rant. looks like they might need more judges to score paddle form when they are paddling back out to get ready to paddle in wave so the can use their paddle some more when they surf before they get ready to paddle back out again. the paddle out should get the highest points by the looks of it

Well often the paddle out is the hardest part, so maybe it should be scored the highest

Seriously, I think this is a good debate. Yes it is stand up paddle surfing, not surfing with a paddle. I think if we want to be taken seriously as a stand alone sport we need to take the whole lot into consideration when scoring, not just the surfing part. Maybe not just "taking points off the wave riding" but actually allocating points for paddling out and how you go about catching a wave. If it's a beachbreak, yes it will be hard to get out standing but everybodies in the same boat and the surfer who has put in the work on that part of his standup paddle surfing should get the points. Otherwise, I still think you could get a good surfer who hasn't spent much time on a sup, paddle out on his knees and win a contest. I would hate to see sup contests where competitors paddle out on their knees. I think it would be a joke.

Thus endeth Th0m0s rant.

Does anyone know the day and time of the SUP finals?
Ive searched through the sites and it must be well hidden.

mybrosweeper said...

elbeau said...

Does anyone know the day and time of the SUP finals?
Ive searched through the sites and it must be well hidden.

Gday beau,
I dont know what time,but Sunday is the day they are going to try and get through the whole SUP thing.
The site you want is "www.australiansurfingfestival.com" I think!!!! maybe?
Robbo
PS,GO CASSO , DA DOG AND APPSY WOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo

Thanks for that. Maybe any seabreeze people that go could wear some form of id known only to other SBers. A red rose in their lapel or something similar. It ould be interesting to meet some of the characters that are behind the words.

kiakaha said...

elbeau said...

Does anyone know the day and time of the SUP finals?
Ive searched through the sites and it must be well hidden.

I have tried this morning to get onto the site but it is down??

I would say they start at around 6:45 ish tomorrow morning.

Thanks for that. Ill be there with a piece of masking tape on my hat with sea breeze written on it. See you there maybe

all contest staged by the noosa sup club will use the isa standard,these were not made up by wankers and someone had to do something,as you are aware sup contest have been going for a while in the states and there dont seem to be any whingers.so for all those that wish to compete,learn to stand for 20 minutes straight.

100% behind Swanie and his comments.
And to add my 2 cents worth - I can understand that you should obviously be on your feet when paddling for and surfing on a wave because that is when you are being scored - but unless you are getting a score for paddling out and standing on your board out the back (which you aren't) then what you do at these times - whether you wanna paddle out on your knees or on your bloody head should have no relevance. I also have an injury that sometimes requires me to knee paddle out through breaking waves because the impact is sometimes less when I kneel so why should I be penalized for that so long as I am paddling in and surfing standing up and scoring points for what I do on the wave as in any other surf comp'.
And as for our current ISA judging criteria - why should we be getting judged using shortboard scoring criteria - I am surely not the only sup surfer out there who enjoys a little nose time or trimming or a nice big drop knee cutty am I ? Are the judges going to recognise the traditional longboard scoring moves as well ??
Cant wait to see how the comp thing pans out in the future - will not be suprised to see the sport split into full blown shortboard type surfing/comps and a more traditional longboardy type of sport/comp.
Interesting times ahead.

billboard said...

100% behind Swanie and his comments.
And to add my 2 cents worth - I can understand that you should obviously be on your feet when paddling for and surfing on a wave because that is when you are being scored - but unless you are getting a score for paddling out and standing on your board out the back (which you aren't) then what you do at these times - whether you wanna paddle out on your knees or on your bloody head should have no relevance. I also have an injury that sometimes requires me to knee paddle out through breaking waves because the impact is sometimes less when I kneel so why should I be penalized for that so long as I am paddling in and surfing standing up and scoring points for what I do on the wave as in any other surf comp'.
And as for our current ISA judging criteria - why should we be getting judged using shortboard scoring criteria - I am surely not the only sup surfer out there who enjoys a little nose time or trimming or a nice big drop knee cutty am I ? Are the judges going to recognise the traditional longboard scoring moves as well ??
Cant wait to see how the comp thing pans out in the future - will not be suprised to see the sport split into full blown shortboard type surfing/comps and a more traditional longboardy type of sport/comp.
Interesting times ahead.

Agree-bloody ridiculous that you can't sit down and wait for a set-especially when there's long lulls-getting judged on that is a joke-for fuggs sake in plenty of ASP comps guys are towed back into the lineup.

billboard said...

62mac said...

Agree with you billboard,I think the surfing side of sup'ing will fragment into two,one for the shortboarding and one for longboarding element.

mac

Mac, you are starting to freak me out now - thats twice this year that you have agreed with me. You gotta stop messing with my head.

i think the split will be a good thing and hopefully in the future comps will accomodate both disciplines and competitors will embrace both as well.

Would you enter a comp that did both styles? One part of the comp is on Short board other on LB. Basically two comps wrapped into one for excitement.

Have been thinking about this one for a while - getting SUPers who did both styles in a comp judging two different ways and coming out with an overall Style Master.

billboard said...

62mac said...

Agree with you billboard,I think the surfing side of sup'ing will fragment into two,one for the shortboarding and one for longboarding element.

mac

Mac, you are starting to freak me out now - thats twice this year that you have agreed with me. You gotta stop messing with my head.

i think the split will be a good thing and hopefully in the future comps will accomodate both disciplines and competitors will embrace both as well.

Sorry about that billboard,don't stress
Two different styles of surfing as you would know,I would get my ar-e kicked in a shortboard format,but I think I would fare better in the longboard format,but thats just me coming from a long longboard background and age has a lot to do with it,how would a 45 or so go againist the young shortboarders,out in round one I would think mac

OG SUP said...

I think that what came out in the Aussie SUP title was that the 1st and 2nd place getters were all round boarders and showed that they can pull both shortboard and longboard styles together from the commentary and Keahi does the same on in his videos.

Without seeing the boards ( no pics or video available) The Voldermort Matt rides is hardly dedicated short board, the Laguna bay is also more a longboard fuller nose style and the lopez 9'6 is the same.

My 2 cents.

Phill


Totally Agree, Phill

And that's the way it should be.......good to see

Well, if that's the case, my point has been proven. Good surfer with minimal time on a sup keeps other, debatably more deserving competitors, out of the Aussie title.

goatman said...

mybrosweeper said...


Gday Swanie,
I was watching this thread the other day with interest,regarding your injury and prone paddling and sitting down in between sets.
Yesterday at the Australian SUP Titles I dont think the winner Josh Constable stood-up and paddle back out at all !!!!!!! and a few guys were sitting down between sets.I dont think its an issues,well it wasnt yesterday,
Robbo

So how did he get out? Prone paddling? That must have looked odd?

I am guessing yesterdays surf was tiny and therefore would have suited the more longboard style. I reckon once more of the shortboard guys get into SUP it would be hard to compare the 2 styles in the same event. The board designs will be quite different also.

those 2 guys that placed first and second would probably have placed on anything. the scores and feedback online and the mail around is they are just better than anyone else and have the all round package-versatility

if thats the case regarding the aussie titles then it shows that surfing australia haven't adopted isa rules,these guys at isa have been doing sup contest for quite a while.there is a part in the rule about safety and i would think that paddling out in 6 foot closeout beachies would constitute safety and other methods of getting out would apply. it is STAND UP paddling but if the powers that be in australia want to rewrite the rules,well, thats pretty easy to organise through the clubs,just a matter of getting everybody on the same page,at noosa we (the committee)decided to adopt the isa rules.what are the other clubs thinking.and swanie im not being precious,we have to start somewhere.

lacey said...

goatman said...

mybrosweeper said...


Gday Swanie,
I was watching this thread the other day with interest,regarding your injury and prone paddling and sitting down in between sets.
Yesterday at the Australian SUP Titles I dont think the winner Josh Constable stood-up and paddle back out at all !!!!!!! and a few guys were sitting down between sets.I dont think its an issues,well it wasnt yesterday,
Robbo

So how did he get out? Prone paddling? That must have looked odd?

I am guessing yesterdays surf was tiny and therefore would have suited the more longboard style. I reckon once more of the shortboard guys get into SUP it would be hard to compare the 2 styles in the same event. The board designs will be quite different also.

those 2 guys that placed first and second would probably have placed on anything. the scores and feedback online and the mail around is they are just better than anyone else and have the all round package-versatility

if jc was old enough to surf the masters shortboard he would have probaly won that as well,he rips on a shortie.

petemc said...

Try not to comment on the forum as I'm pretty new to this however from my perspective no one can question the capabilities of either JC or ML. However one did qualify and one didn't.

Have to wonder if we are a bit of a laughing stock elsewhere.

Like I said new to this and perhaps a bit uneducated in the way things are. Think I'll just go surfing and enjoy myself. F*ck the comps if that's the way it is

Pete

tell you the truth,thats exactly how i feel about comps,did it for years and got over it,but there will always be competitors.