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james200
james200
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7 Nov 2009 7:14am
It seems that in more recent times most people are riding a lot shorter boards than 1-2 years ago, just wondering if anyone still rides the larger boards such as the naish 10'6 / 11'4 and is still stoked on their performance??
hilly
hilly
WA
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7 Nov 2009 7:16am
Bigger boards rock love my 12 footer.
sillsymark
sillsymark
VIC
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7 Nov 2009 10:56am
I had the 10'6 naish for bay and surf...Loved it. Sold it for a Naish 11'4 for the bay downwinders and now it seems the 14' glides are the poo for this job.

Tried the 8'9 naish surf sup. At 75KGs and very experienced Surfer/kitesurfer / Sup - It was bloody hard to keep straight when getting the last stroke in to catch a wave.....Im sure it would surf awesome if I could stay on it long enough to catch a wave...but some of the stoke was lost for me with all the fall offs....(I spent a few days practicing in the bay in **** conditions....It pretty much sank under my weight...(110 Litres I think)...So I gave it back pre-surf to go for something easier for me to handle. Serious blow to my ego.

I am absolutly in love with the 11'4 Naish. It surfs well, Does the downwinders well enough and is floaty enough to make everything easy. Nothing wrong with easy. its great fun to be able to get around without the quiver and have a crack at everything.

Be nice to have something that floats well, rips like my 6'0 and paddles flat out and straight where you want it when turning for a wave, (And is easy to carry, Cheap and lasts forever...) - Aint gonna happen. My ten cents would be to own the board that matches what you do most.

paul.j
paul.j
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7 Nov 2009 10:03am
sillsymark said...

I had the 10'6 naish for bay and surf...Loved it. Sold it for a Naish 11'4 for the bay downwinders and now it seems the 14' glides are the poo for this job.

Tried the 8'9 naish surf sup. At 75KGs and very experienced Surfer/kitesurfer / Sup - It was bloody hard to keep straight when getting the last stroke in to catch a wave.....Im sure it would surf awesome if I could stay on it long enough to catch a wave...but some of the stoke was lost for me with all the fall offs....(I spent a few days practicing in the bay in **** conditions....It pretty much sank under my weight...(110 Litres I think)...So I gave it back pre-surf to go for something easier for me to handle. Serious blow to my ego.

I am absolutly in love with the 11'4 Naish. It surfs well, Does the downwinders well enough and is floaty enough to make everything easy. Nothing wrong with easy. its great fun to be able to get around without the quiver and have a crack at everything.

Be nice to have something that floats well, rips like my 6'0 and paddles flat out and straight where you want it when turning for a wave, (And is easy to carry, Cheap and lasts forever...) - Aint gonna happen. My ten cents would be to own the board that matches what you do most.




Yeah you are right its all about keeping the stoke alive and sometimes short sup's are not the key. I know i still love taking out the big boards and just curising and they still have there place not everyone wants short boards and if you do a lot of flat water stuff then bigger is better..

Jacko

Greenroom
Greenroom
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7 Nov 2009 8:54am
Yeah I totally agree. Shorter is not always better. Sure enough an 8' or 9' board is great on the wave but its how much effort it takes to get the wave that counts. Usually the conditions have to be glassy to make the most of the smaller shorter boards. And falling in all the time just makes you look like a kook hehehe
Yes big boards are confronting to other surfers and a lot to carry and store away but like everyone has said its keeping the stoke alive. Bigger boards are definitely capable of riding waves. And bigger boards now are being shaped to be able to surf a wave with thinner rails and drawn in tails.
Here is a vid of me surfing a bigger board. I also use this board for flat water paddling and for a family board for when the kids want to paddle it themselves or sit on the nose of the board with me paddling. My dog also has to fight the kids for pole position hehehe

elbeau
elbeau
WA
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7 Nov 2009 11:57am
When I rode a shortboard prone surfing during the shortboard revolution in the 60's I worked my way down to a 5'4"at one stage.
It took me years to get back to a reasonable length and to start to enjoy my surfing again.
I have tried a 9'8" SUP and had a sense of deja vu.
That the trade off for peformance was not worth the price of a lack of glide and of fun.
The 10'5" Drive is good value.

Also one thing in passing.
When I prone surfed the one stroke paddle takeoff or even no stroke takeoffs where a breeze.
Years of experience led me to position the board in the right spot for a simple stroke to catch the wave.
Just lately I have found myself positioning side on to the wave just as it starts to jack up one or two strong sweeps swings the nose and picks up the wave.

Next step is no paddle takeoffs.
goatman
goatman
NSW
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7 Nov 2009 3:39pm
I can definately see how the smaller SUPs would not be everyones cup of tea. Damn hard work when the conditions are not ideal, but well worth the effort once on a wave. You either have to be young and fit or surf quite a bit to enjoy em I reckon. I like the fact that in an hour you feel totally worked, cause that is about the length of most of my surfs - and yes I fall off a lot

I enjoy the misses' 10 footer when it small though!
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
7 Nov 2009 1:51pm
I've got a 10'6" and don't really feel the need to go shorter to be a good consumer. I love the glide that the board gives me. In saying that I still have a nagging itch to buy something shorter this year.
GizzieNZ
GizzieNZ
4103 posts
4103 posts
7 Nov 2009 1:59pm
Have got other surfers going "What the....? when I get out my whopper. But it surfs great and is very very stable in choppy conditions and is above all fun to ride. Ain't got no glide though
cranky
cranky
440 posts
440 posts
7 Nov 2009 3:02pm
I found the 9'8 to be the all round good guy until I can find something that surfs more like a surfboard. For "me" the small loss in glide from the 11'2 is a small price to pay for the increased maneuverability and better wave performance.
tha dogman
tha dogman
NSW
2912 posts
NSW, 2912 posts
7 Nov 2009 8:38pm
funny thing is ive been riding my longer boards lately

the old trusty 9'3 is having a bit of a rest on the board racks tucked away in its board cover

my ye ol 10'6 is on it's latest tour of duty due to the crap conditions lately

also been riding the 11'4 and 12' glide naishs

as well as 11' and 11'6 oxbow and 11' laguna bay just to mix it up a bit

then you jump back on my "short board sup" and it feels great

loose and agile

no lip is safe from being smashed

variety is the spice of life

rock on
Kagey
Kagey
569 posts
569 posts
8 Nov 2009 3:00pm
james200 said...

It seems that in more recent times most people are riding a lot shorter boards than 1-2 years ago, just wondering if anyone still rides the larger boards such as the naish 10'6 / 11'4 and is still stoked on their performance??


Whilst waiting for a new board to arrive over here I got back on my 12'1 Laird and had some epic sessions, I just love the stability and glide it offers.

I am also looking into the 10'6" Pearson/Laird. You can't get them over here and won't be able to until next yr so I have time to mull it over.
steviebobby
steviebobby
26 posts
26 posts
9 Nov 2009 10:15am
Dogman, are you a millionaire??? I have one board and have to ride it in all conditions!!!!!
Kauaifiveo
Kauaifiveo
90 posts
90 posts
9 Nov 2009 11:38am
I agree Dogman, its good to "spice things up" and ride different boards. I have been riding my PSH 10 6 AA and having a blast on it. Then today, rode the 9 6 WR on nice overhead perfect reelers and really had a blast! The board felt so loose and responsive. I think my next session will be on the 9 10 Ripper! Then who knows, maybe back to the 10 6 ?
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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9 Nov 2009 7:26pm
A nice example of the flow and maneuverability of a big board.

laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
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9 Nov 2009 9:36pm
i like the flow you get from 8'8, 8'10's, sure the 7'2 was fun. seriously, i think sup's generally will settle between 8'6 to 9'6. sort of like shortboards are on an average are between 5'10 to 6'3. before guy's on bigger boards start jumping up and down, i'm talking on the average.still, there is and will always be lots of demand for 10fter's

Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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9 Nov 2009 9:32pm
elbeau said...

A nice example of the flow and maneuverability of a big board.

Thats some pretty sick SUP surfing right there Elbeau

elbeau
elbeau
WA
988 posts
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9 Nov 2009 9:49pm
Greenroom said...

elbeau said...

A nice example of the flow and maneuverability of a big board.

Thats some pretty sick SUP surfing right there Elbeau




You know Greenroom. I have seen a lot of videos of all sorts of SUP's long and short and I reckon this is about the best example of what SUP surfing is all about that I have seen.
elbeau
elbeau
WA
988 posts
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9 Nov 2009 9:53pm
elbeau said...

Greenroom said...

elbeau said...

A nice example of the flow and maneuverability of a big board.

Thats some pretty sick SUP surfing right there Elbeau




You know Greenroom. I have seen a lot of videos of all sorts of SUP's long and short and I reckon this is about the best example of what SUP surfing is all about that I have seen.


Except for the helicopter!! things. What are they about?
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
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9 Nov 2009 10:15pm
elbeau said...Except for the helicopter!! things. What are they about?


Hear hear : )

those boards don't look that long either only about 9 foot big round nose long board style.

Greenroom style boards : )
elbeau
elbeau
WA
988 posts
WA, 988 posts
10 Nov 2009 1:03am
hilly said...

elbeau said...Except for the helicopter!! things. What are they about?


Hear hear : )

those boards don't look that long either only about 9 foot big round nose long board style.

Greenroom style boards : )


The green board that he rides (not very well) is about 9' something I guess, but the yellow board is easily 10' plus. He rides this with aplomb.
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
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10 Nov 2009 7:09am
elbeau said...
easily 10' plus

Not so sure

He certainly rips though
goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
NSW, 2151 posts
10 Nov 2009 10:38am
That SUP in the vid is perfect for the waves he is riding. The problem here in Sydney is we don't generally get fatter slower waves like that and so a bigger board is not so suited to a lot of the beachies we have to surf. Suckier, punchier waves suit a shorter SUP IMO as they fit better into the shape of the wave. Horses for courses I guess. BTW I agree with Hilly that that board is about 9 foot.
elbeau
elbeau
WA
988 posts
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10 Nov 2009 7:58am
goatman said...

That SUP in the vid is perfect for the waves he is riding. The problem here in Sydney is we don't generally get fatter slower waves like that and so a bigger board is not so suited to a lot of the beachies we have to surf. Suckier, punchier waves suit a shorter SUP IMO as they fit better into the shape of the wave. Horses for courses I guess. BTW I agree with Hilly that that board is about 9 foot.


Horses for courses sums it up and riding what you feel happy on is really what matters.
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
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10 Nov 2009 11:39am
Personally I have owned and tried soooo many boards I have lost count but have kinda settled at about 10ft as my perfect allround length. I have been thinking/saying for about 6mths now that I believe most of us will slowly increase the lengths of our boards over the next year or so and probably settle for something in the 9'3 to 10'0 range. I would have said 9'6 but I have spent a considerable amount of time recently on a 9.3 C4 and it is something that feels like it has the allround ability of a 10fter so maybe if manafacturers start thinking like C4 we may be able to still have our 9ish ft boards but not sacrifice the glide and stability of bigger boards. But at this stage (until my lotto numbers come up) I would say that if I were to take off tomorrow for a sup trip around oz I would take my 10'0 so I would have all bases covered.
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
10 Nov 2009 12:11pm
NeVER RIDDEN A BOARD BELOW 10 SO CANT COMMENT , BUT IM HAPPY WITH MY 10,6 GOES GOOD IN ALL CONDITIONS.EVEN A 6 K RACE INTO A HEADWIND ALTHOUGH I DONT RECOMMEND IT FOR THIS.
Kagey
Kagey
569 posts
569 posts
10 Nov 2009 10:16am
Billboard I agree, I have only gone as small as 9'6" and found that that is short enough for me. I think i'd fallen into some sort of trap or trend of going smaller and smaller just cos I can and had forgotten why I took supping up. I like the bigger boards, just recently I purchased a 10' board which although i've only been out on it twice (one flat water paddle and once in crappy 1/2ft closeouts) I reckon that's the right size for me and the conditions I surf. This board would however fit in the pocket of a steeper wave if needed.
goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
NSW, 2151 posts
10 Nov 2009 1:20pm
billboard said...

Personally I have owned and tried soooo many boards I have lost count but have kinda settled at about 10ft as my perfect allround length. I have been thinking/saying for about 6mths now that I believe most of us will slowly increase the lengths of our boards over the next year or so and probably settle for something in the 9'3 to 10'0 range. I would have said 9'6 but I have spent a considerable amount of time recently on a 9.3 C4 and it is something that feels like it has the allround ability of a 10fter so maybe if manafacturers start thinking like C4 we may be able to still have our 9ish ft boards but not sacrifice the glide and stability of bigger boards. But at this stage (until my lotto numbers come up) I would say that if I were to take off tomorrow for a sup trip around oz I would take my 10'0 so I would have all bases covered.


What about the new Laguna, Billboard? Isn't that sub 9 foot?

There's no way I would go back to a bigger board for waves up to 8 foot faces. Definately a bigger board for larger stuff though.
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
QLD, 2819 posts
10 Nov 2009 1:30pm
Yep the baby laguna is a very special little indulgence !! I am just saying that as an everyday allrounder I like my 10fter. On a fast/clean and punchy beach break the laguna is just insane and have been tempted to throw the paddle away on a couple of waves and just surfing it. You can bet your life though that I would be totally lost without the paddle because I haven't ridden a surfboard for nearly a year and a half and you don't realise just how much you rely on the paddle until someone comments on it or you see yourself on video. I surfed with a mate a week ago that I have been longboarding with for years (he was on a mal and I on the sup) and his main comment after he watched a couple of my waves related to just how far off the board we can lean and how much we can lay over in a turn and use the paddle to stay on the board. I guess we just take it for granted but he was blown away by what can be done with the paddle. Just a few more (hundred) sessions with him and I might convince him to come across to the dark side.
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
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10 Nov 2009 1:43pm
Not sure if i'll go bigger than my 8'0 as i love the way it surfs and i can now surf the whole session and not fall of most times, it still picks up waves out the back the only thing i might do is get one a little longer or wider for the real wind and rippy days

Jacko
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
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10 Nov 2009 2:45pm
paul.j said...

Not sure if i'll go bigger than my 8'0 as i love the way it surfs and i can now surf the whole session and not fall of most times, it still picks up waves out the back the only thing i might do is get one a little longer or wider for the real wind and rippy days

Jacko


How old and heavy are you Jacko?

@ 47 and 105kg 10 ft is perfect short sup, the 12er is gold for marginal conditions. Been on a 9 2 but like the drive of a longer outline.
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