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Flat water unlimiteds.

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Created by AndyR 5 months ago, 4 Jul 2017
magillamelb
VIC, 580 posts
9 Aug 2017 12:07PM
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JEG said..
show us that board magillamelb, when you can



Should have it by Saturday. If you're in the area, it might be at Core from tomorrow afternoon...

Picked up the rack for the back of the car today to transport it.

JEG
VIC, 626 posts
9 Aug 2017 12:20PM
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nice deep dw board Abdillam and whats the width and your weight?

JEG
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9 Aug 2017 12:32PM
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magillamelb said..

JEG said..
show us that board magillamelb, when you can




Should have it by Saturday. If you're in the area, it might be at Core from tomorrow afternoon...

Picked up the rack for the back of the car today to transport it.


might see some pics online soon.
down coast not till Sunday.
let us know magillamelb?

Abdillam
VIC, 190 posts
9 Aug 2017 4:09PM
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JEG said..
nice deep dw board Abdillam and whats the width and your weight?


18 x 23. I'm 75kgs...crazy stable

magillamelb
VIC, 580 posts
10 Aug 2017 6:14PM
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JEG said..

magillamelb said..


JEG said..
show us that board magillamelb, when you can





Should have it by Saturday. If you're in the area, it might be at Core from tomorrow afternoon...

Picked up the rack for the back of the car today to transport it.



might see some pics online soon.
down coast not till Sunday.
let us know magillamelb?
















HumanCartoon
VIC, 2080 posts
10 Aug 2017 6:35PM
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^ Looks like quite a thing there Stu.

JEG
VIC, 626 posts
10 Aug 2017 8:43PM
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Nice toy magillamelb and looking forward to see it in action!

Nozza
VIC, 1320 posts
10 Aug 2017 9:25PM
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Driveway could do with a clean.....

Nozza
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10 Aug 2017 9:33PM
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I like the front, not so much the back, but may be the camera angle.
Scuppers?, or does it drain out the back of the deck?
Look forward to seeing it.
Impressive!
Spot on the trailer for Middle Harbour still there.

AndyR
QLD, 1339 posts
11 Aug 2017 2:11AM
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I'd Go a rudder on that..
coming from no experience what so ever but I just imagine myself wanting a rudder at my foot to improve the ability to steer the board with ease on super long flat water paddles.

ben knows his stuff with design the board will glide so nice I am sure

paul.j
QLD, 2636 posts
11 Aug 2017 2:16AM
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AndyR said..
I'd Go a rudder on that..
coming from no experience what so ever but I just imagine myself wanting a rudder at my foot to improve the ability to steer the board with ease on super long flat water paddles.

ben knows his stuff with design the board will glide so nice I am sure


Yeah i'm not so sure a rudder will be any real help, the boards going to go straight and is designed for flat water so not sure when a rudder would come into play. It will still turn nicely of the tail so turning will not be issue.

Ocean boards foresure rudders are needed as they are great for side wind days but flat water boards i think it just makes things more complicated than they need to be.

paul.j
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11 Aug 2017 2:20AM
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Nozza said..
I like the front, not so much the back, but may be the camera angle.
Scuppers?, or does it drain out the back of the deck?
Look forward to seeing it.
Impressive!
Spot on the trailer for Middle Harbour still there.


Yes it has drain holes.

If you ever paddle a Edge pro you will understand this tail and the way it works. This is something that won't only glide nice but when the big fella puts the power down it it will really come to life. Keeping the tail a bit wider also helps with stability and stability is key if you want to go fast.

Wish i had one!!!

AndyR
QLD, 1339 posts
11 Aug 2017 3:11AM
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paul.j said..

AndyR said..
I'd Go a rudder on that..
coming from no experience what so ever but I just imagine myself wanting a rudder at my foot to improve the ability to steer the board with ease on super long flat water paddles.

ben knows his stuff with design the board will glide so nice I am sure



Yeah i'm not so sure a rudder will be any real help, the boards going to go straight and is designed for flat water so not sure when a rudder would come into play. It will still turn nicely of the tail so turning will not be issue.

Ocean boards foresure rudders are needed as they are great for side wind days but flat water boards i think it just makes things more complicated than they need to be.


But getting back to the tail to turn it will take three weeks walking back that far

rudder for making it easier to simply steer. Us mere mortals can't rail steer a board like you guns do with so much ease. Or tail pivot turn in minus 2 seconds flat.
Yeah it's flat water but when is flat water ever just flat water, I paddle in canals and pine river in Brisbane that always seem to have side wind and boat chop and oddly moving currents that surely a rudder just improves your overall speed to micro adjust the boards position with out the need to move around on the board much?

As I say I haven't paddled an unlimited flat water so don't have experience just thoughts.

Next question, if rudder is out then what about the option of the American idea of ventral if going long and straight is the idea ??

paul.j
QLD, 2636 posts
11 Aug 2017 3:24AM
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AndyR said..

paul.j said..


AndyR said..
I'd Go a rudder on that..
coming from no experience what so ever but I just imagine myself wanting a rudder at my foot to improve the ability to steer the board with ease on super long flat water paddles.

ben knows his stuff with design the board will glide so nice I am sure




Yeah i'm not so sure a rudder will be any real help, the boards going to go straight and is designed for flat water so not sure when a rudder would come into play. It will still turn nicely of the tail so turning will not be issue.

Ocean boards foresure rudders are needed as they are great for side wind days but flat water boards i think it just makes things more complicated than they need to be.



But getting back to the tail to turn it will take three weeks walking back that far

rudder for making it easier to simply steer. Us mere mortals can't rail steer a board like you guns do with so much ease. Or tail pivot turn in minus 2 seconds flat.
Yeah it's flat water but when is flat water ever just flat water, I paddle in canals and pine river in Brisbane that always seem to have side wind and boat chop and oddly moving currents that surely a rudder just improves your overall speed to micro adjust the boards position with out the need to move around on the board much?

As I say I haven't paddled an unlimited flat water so don't have experience just thoughts.

Next question, if rudder is out then what about the option of the American idea of ventral if going long and straight is the idea ??


Keeping it straight will not be a issue so adding anything for that i feel is not going to achieve much.

On the rudder i think you will also find since the nose is in the water a rudder would not have the result you are looking for and it would still be just as hard to turn. Rail steering is super easy and i am sure you would be able to do this no worries!! Maybe not the best short course racing board though!!

AndyR
QLD, 1339 posts
11 Aug 2017 3:56AM
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That's the part I was missing in my thinking. Why did you not say that at the start! Haha The nose will almost always be in the water won't it. Cancels out rudder movement.

I can rail steer steer but not like you guys do Riding wash, 20cm away from each other at full gas. Haha

paul.j
QLD, 2636 posts
11 Aug 2017 4:19AM
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AndyR said..
That's the part I was missing in my thinking. Why did you not say that at the start! Haha The nose will almost always be in the water won't it. Cancels out rudder movement.

I can rail steer steer but not like you guys do Riding wash, 20cm away from each other at full gas. Haha


haha see you are missing the point of these boards, you will not need to wash ride anyone as you will be out in nice clean clear water

AndyR
QLD, 1339 posts
11 Aug 2017 7:42AM
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Hahahahahaha..

what about a all arounder unlimited, low rocker for flat water but right shape to still down wind it well? I don't want to have to buy two unlimiteds with the latest push for everything unlimited

dews deep seems in photos to be fairly low rocker? Still be quick on the flats?

magillamelb
VIC, 580 posts
11 Aug 2017 8:04AM
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HumanCartoon said..
^ Looks like quite a thing there Stu.


Made for blokes our size Stu...

magillamelb
VIC, 580 posts
11 Aug 2017 8:17AM
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Have managed to have a really good look at the board now.
The symmetry, finish & quality is better than anything I've either owned or currently own.

Weight wise it's lighter than my 14' x 29" DC Puma despite being over a metre longer and probably tougher.

I couldn't be happier with what I've got and to be able to speak directly to the designer about what I wanted in a board has paid pretty big dividends.

Whilst I have no relationship with anyone involved other than being a customer, Dave White, Ben Tardrew, the One team and Core/SHQ have been faultless.

Thank you!

paul.j
QLD, 2636 posts
11 Aug 2017 8:17AM
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AndyR said..
Hahahahahaha..

what about a all arounder unlimited, low rocker for flat water but right shape to still down wind it well? I don't want to have to buy two unlimiteds with the latest push for everything unlimited

dews deep seems in photos to be fairly low rocker? Still be quick on the flats?


This will work if thats what you are looking for.



AusDaz
WA, 8 posts
11 Aug 2017 8:55AM
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AndyR said..
That's the part I was missing in my thinking. Why did you not say that at the start! Haha The nose will almost always be in the water won't it. Cancels out rudder movement.

I can rail steer steer but not like you guys do Riding wash, 20cm away from each other at full gas. Haha


+1 for rudder on flatwater unlimiteds. It increases the range of conditions you can paddle in. It also means that you can direct your stroke 100% to moving the board forward without using any paddle steering. Consequently, I find that I tend to only change sides every 20-25 strokes, which further increases efficiency. I also found that I needed to get a bigger bladed paddle and to develop a much better catch, because the water is moving past faster.

Your mileage may vary.

magillamelb
VIC, 580 posts
13 Aug 2017 4:49PM
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AusDaz said..

AndyR said..
That's the part I was missing in my thinking. Why did you not say that at the start! Haha The nose will almost always be in the water won't it. Cancels out rudder movement.

I can rail steer steer but not like you guys do Riding wash, 20cm away from each other at full gas. Haha



+1 for rudder on flatwater unlimiteds. It increases the range of conditions you can paddle in. It also means that you can direct your stroke 100% to moving the board forward without using any paddle steering. Consequently, I find that I tend to only change sides every 20-25 strokes, which further increases efficiency. I also found that I needed to get a bigger bladed paddle and to develop a much better catch, because the water is moving past faster.

Your mileage may vary.


No need for the rudder. Paddled in plenty of cross chop yesterday and the front end of the board dug in enough to stop the bow falling away. Same today to a lesser extent.

The board is very sensitive to fore & aft trim. Far more than I'd imagined. It certainly has a sweet spot paddling upwind and downwind (on a river) which are about 250mm apart.

Almost as stable as my 29" wide DC Puma...

crazybula
NSW, 79 posts
16 Aug 2017 9:31AM
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KellyM said..
This rocket left the factory in a container yesterday, with the stability and speed of the current Sunova 14' Flatwater Faast Pro this thing will fly


Anymore updates on this beastie??

crazybula
NSW, 79 posts
8 Dec 2017 12:40PM
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This thread went quiet...time to spice it up...





JEG
VIC, 626 posts
8 Dec 2017 12:56PM
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nice board crazybula, what's the stats
did anyone see deep into the King of the Cut this year?

crazybula
NSW, 79 posts
8 Dec 2017 1:29PM
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Stats are 19'x26" - no it's not a typo. Flame away.There was one unlimited at King of the Cut, A 17'8" dugout - similar design to this fresh out of the same shipment. There would have been more but the container got delayed a little making it awkward.

WaveScience
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8 Dec 2017 1:51PM
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It's a beautiful looking board but it looks like it would be better suited to downwind than flat water.

crazybula
NSW, 79 posts
8 Dec 2017 2:22PM
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crazybula said..
This thread went quiet...time to spice it up...






It's a beautiful looking board but it looks like it would be better suited to downwind than flat water.



You are correct it is targeted for DW but sub 20knts and flat water paddling for a 100kg full-figured gent.
So more allround paddling. Something I can also do the Hawkesbury Classic on for example, or handle the chop in a Sydney Harbour race.
Also plan to do some long ocean/touring journeys 20-50km long.

JEG
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8 Dec 2017 2:26PM
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crazybula said..
Stats are 19'x26" - no it's not a typo. Flame away.There was one unlimited at King of the Cut, A 17'8" dugout - similar design to this fresh out of the same shipment. There would have been more but the container got delayed a little making it awkward.


cheers, longest UL board I've seen, enjoy!



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