Great Adventures Vs Stupidity

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Wizard
Wizard
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12 Apr 2010 12:48pm
Hi guys,
I don't post much stuff on the forum and tend to sit back and read as much as I can though. I have found it to be a great medium, full of fantastic SUP stuff, adventures and funny stories etc.

However, the latest adventures of DJ and co have raised a couple of questions and I feel I should post them. This will not be a popular post as I know everyone loves DJ (the spiritual leader of this site) and all the boys that went out but I must ask the question to him and the group of paddlers.............WHY?

And what a fine line there is between Great adventures and Stupidity!!

Why would you go out in conditions as awful and unpredictable as those on the weekend?? To me, it beggers belief that you would take the risk especially without a safety boat (I assume you didn't take one) in weather conditions that presented themselves on the weekend. Kudos for wearing a leggie, going in a group, wearing a PFD and carrying a mobile....but thank-god it didn't end in tragedy for anyone of the group. The guys going out were obviously experienced down winders but surely someone in the group must have seriously asked themselves, "Is this a great adventure in the making or just a bit stupid given the shocking weather conditions".

Yes, I was down at Torquay on the day in question and I must admit, it was a shoking day with unbelieveably gusty and unpredictable winds. Not a day for SUP.

There is a massive positive to this story that no-one got seriously hurt or it ended in a fatality. It also has raised a constructive debate on SUP safety which is a good thing we all should talk about regularly. Yes, I expect all the DJ lovers on this forum to get into me and that I am being nothing but negative but the questions should be asked and debated constructively so we can all make this sport safer for us all.

I must say what I feel and IMO the decision to press ahead on this down winder was not a great adventure....it was nothing short of stupid. But thank-god everyone came back safely. This is my opinion.

Mikey S
surfanimal
surfanimal
NSW
1662 posts
NSW, 1662 posts
12 Apr 2010 12:57pm
Wizard said...

Hi guys,
I don't post much stuff on the forum and tend to sit back and read as much as I can though. I have found it to be a great medium, full of fantastic SUP stuff, adventures and funny stories etc.

However, the latest adventures of DJ and co have raised a couple of questions and I feel I should post them. This will not be a popular post as I know everyone loves DJ (the spiritual leader of this site) and all the boys that went out but I must ask the question to him and the group of paddlers.............WHY?

And what a fine line there is between Great adventures and Stupidity!!

Why would you go out in conditions as awful and unpredictable as those on the weekend?? To me, it beggers belief that you would take the risk especially without a safety boat (I assume you didn't take one) in weather conditions that presented themselves on the weekend. Kudos for wearing a leggie, going in a group, wearing a PFD and carrying a mobile....but thank-god it didn't end in tragedy for anyone of the group. The guys going out were obviously experienced down winders but surely someone in the group must have seriously asked themselves, "Is this a great adventure in the making or just a bit stupid given the shocking weather conditions".

Yes, I was down at Torquay on the day in question and I must admit, it was a shoking day with unbelieveably gusty and unpredictable winds. Not a day for SUP.

There is a massive positive to this story that no-one got seriously hurt or it ended in a fatality. It also has raised a constructive debate on SUP safety which is a good thing we all should talk about regularly. Yes, I expect all the DJ lovers on this forum to get into me and that I am being nothing but negative but the questions should be asked and debated constructively so we can all make this sport safer for us all.

I must say what I feel and IMO the decision to press ahead on this down winder was not a great adventure....it was nothing short of stupid. But thank-god everyone came back safely. This is my opinion.

Mikey S


Why did Captain Cook set out for Australia when he was set in the UK ?

Why did man fly to the moon ?

Without adventure and limits being pushed there is no answer.

I would rather die having a shot and not sitting back dreaming of what might have been.

I will say those decisions should not put others at risk and it appears no others seemed to have been hung out to dry which is a good thing.

Too be honest, people who absorb the information on this forum without contributing anger me because it's taking and not giving back although I see you argument completely but it deserved a counter just to open it up.

Cheers Wizard.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
12 Apr 2010 1:18pm
surfanimals said...

Wizard said...

Hi guys,
I don't post much stuff on the forum and tend to sit back and read as much as I can though. I have found it to be a great medium, full of fantastic SUP stuff, adventures and funny stories etc.

However, the latest adventures of DJ and co have raised a couple of questions and I feel I should post them. This will not be a popular post as I know everyone loves DJ (the spiritual leader of this site) and all the boys that went out but I must ask the question to him and the group of paddlers.............WHY?

And what a fine line there is between Great adventures and Stupidity!!

Why would you go out in conditions as awful and unpredictable as those on the weekend?? To me, it beggers belief that you would take the risk especially without a safety boat (I assume you didn't take one) in weather conditions that presented themselves on the weekend. Kudos for wearing a leggie, going in a group, wearing a PFD and carrying a mobile....but thank-god it didn't end in tragedy for anyone of the group. The guys going out were obviously experienced down winders but surely someone in the group must have seriously asked themselves, "Is this a great adventure in the making or just a bit stupid given the shocking weather conditions".

Yes, I was down at Torquay on the day in question and I must admit, it was a shoking day with unbelieveably gusty and unpredictable winds. Not a day for SUP.

There is a massive positive to this story that no-one got seriously hurt or it ended in a fatality. It also has raised a constructive debate on SUP safety which is a good thing we all should talk about regularly. Yes, I expect all the DJ lovers on this forum to get into me and that I am being nothing but negative but the questions should be asked and debated constructively so we can all make this sport safer for us all.

I must say what I feel and IMO the decision to press ahead on this down winder was not a great adventure....it was nothing short of stupid. But thank-god everyone came back safely. This is my opinion.

Mikey S


Why did Captain Cook set out for Australia when he was set in the UK ?

Why did man fly to the moon ?

Without adventure and limits being pushed there is no answer.

I would rather die having a shot and not sitting back dreaming of what might have been.

I will say those decisions should not put others at risk and it appears no others seemed to have been hung out to dry which is a good thing.

Too be honest, people who absorb the information on this forum without contributing anger me because it's taking and not giving back although I see you argument completely but it deserved a counter just to open it up.

Cheers Wizard.


Poor examples to contrast-we're not talking about voyaging to new lands-it's a SUP trip-I'm sure none of the paddlers would want to give up their life for the paddle.

And-you're shooting the messenger.
Lobes
Lobes
885 posts
885 posts
12 Apr 2010 11:22am
Valid questions. In the groups defence (yes I'll be the first) we have paddled on the bay in conditions similar to this before and almost twice as far too. In fact that day* we also had trouble as we got blown off course but all paddlers made it to a safe landing together as a group. Perhaps this has given a false sense of security.

For truly epic downwinders you need these sorts of conditions. Though I was not there yesterday and didnt experience the conditions firsthand based on my understanding I still consider the decision to go ahead a valid one. Perhaps it could have been handled better in terms of safety boats and equipment modifications but IMHO the weather conditions were not a reason to call it off.

*see: www.shq.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=241&Itemid=57
Dr Funk
Dr Funk
NSW
348 posts
NSW, 348 posts
12 Apr 2010 1:44pm
Wizard said...


Why would you go out in conditions as awful and unpredictable as those on the weekend??

Mikey S


To me that looked like great conditions for a fun/challenging DW. For those who like this particular discipline in SUP this is when it gets fun.
pmorgan1974
pmorgan1974
NSW
1080 posts
NSW, 1080 posts
12 Apr 2010 4:12pm
Wizard said...I
must ask the question to him and the group of paddlers.............WHY?


I cannot speak for DJ, but this is your main question i assume. From someone who loves and paddles downwind often, I would answer.

- stronger the wind and bigger the swell more fun the paddle.
- They felt there ability and experience was sufficient, DJ was not encouraging newbies to join in.
- As we all know conditions in the ocean can change, I assume as these people had good knowledge of there local waters, they would not have gone out just for glory sake.

IMO an adventure for some, is stupidity to others, but it does not make it a stupid thing to do.

If I took my 6 year old son out Jaws, and towed him into a 20 wave..That would be stupid. But we see Jamie taking on 30 + and say that's awesome.

Adventure and Stupidity I would say is kind of relative to ability and knowledge. So for the benefit of the doubt here I would call this adventurous.

I hope this thread does not discourage people from sharing stories on here, whether the outcome was good, bad or ugly. We learn from all three.

CMC
CMC
QLD
3954 posts
CMC CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
12 Apr 2010 4:21pm
From Wikipedia:

Tall Poppy Syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term used in the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Canada to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers.
Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
VIC, 8025 posts
12 Apr 2010 4:22pm
Also bear in mind, these discussions may not be taking place if there was not a legrope failure....

As Zimbo pointed out, a few things need to wrong....
Broken leggie
Lost board
No buddies close by (??)

I'm still hanging out to see some photos and video !! Come on DJ !!!!!!!
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
3982 posts
VIC, 3982 posts
12 Apr 2010 4:27pm
Who among us, having heard a news report of an adventurer in the high country, in snow, or at sea requiring rescue, has not thought to themselves - what an idiot. Recently, for instance, the windsurfer off Lakes Entrance who was caught in a storm and had to harbour overnight while land, sea and air services searched for him. What an idiot, we thought. But the truth is in that case, the individual was extremely experienced, yet got himself into trouble in adverse conditions, but did all the right things to save himself. Likewise with our friends this last weekend. Things change when you know the facts and don't just read the headlines. I suspect that we have all done things that were adventurous but just a little reckless, yet had events turned out just a little worse for us, then we would be those headlines.
DILLIGAF2
DILLIGAF2
218 posts
218 posts
12 Apr 2010 3:14pm
Time for my fav clip



BTW I'm no DJ lover, sorry DJ

As long as you hurt no one else do as you will and get amongst it!!!
pmorgan1974
pmorgan1974
NSW
1080 posts
NSW, 1080 posts
12 Apr 2010 5:17pm
too true mate. loving the red thumbs.....
JB
JB
NSW
2232 posts
JB JB
NSW, 2232 posts
12 Apr 2010 10:12pm
Having done my fair share of stupid things though the beginning of kiting, I would say definitely stupid. BUT! How do you know fast fast is until you go fast, how do you know how big big is until you see it, how do you know what pain is until you feel it, if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it fall... did it make a sound? only if some stupid idiot is hanging around in the woods!

Don't hurt anyone else, don't waist anyone else's time or money, be man enough to fix it yourself (unless it's 10,000 volts in high tension powerlines), it's all good. Every sport has to have some one take it to the next level once. I definitely don't recommend we all go out in rediculous conditions to see if we die, but sometimes it's good to open the envelope, but just be prepared.

Foolish for not having a support boat = YES

Admirable for giving it a go when so many other high wind downwinders have been successful = YES (IMO)

Danger is everywhere. We all know from statistics that speeding in cars is dangerous, and so many people die every day from it, but can you honestly say that you have never sped? or pushed the amber/red light theory?

This is not an invite to stupid behaviour, but a great experience for DJ to share and a valuable lesson learnt..... Get a proper leash or learn to swim faster rookies!

JB
jed
jed
NSW
188 posts
jed jed
NSW, 188 posts
13 Apr 2010 6:49pm
Simondo said...

Also bear in mind, these discussions may not be taking place if there was not a legrope failure....

As Zimbo pointed out, a few things need to wrong....
Broken leggie
Lost board
No buddies close by (??)



And a mobile phone drowning. Lady luck deserted you on this one DJ.
stuey c
stuey c
QLD
265 posts
QLD, 265 posts
13 Apr 2010 9:37pm
In my opinion, the only stupid thing was DJs leggie attachment. I wouldn't use that bodgey clip to restrain my sons miniature sausage dog let alone a 17' sub in those epic conditions! Staying attached to your craft (provided it's not sinking) is of paramount importance when at sea and to entrust your life to a plastic dogclip was a tad foolhardy. Nonetheless, all's well that ends well and thankfully tragedy was averted, it could have really damaged an exiting and rapidly growing sport. Glad you are still with us Dave, what would Seabreeze have done without you and well done on having the presence of mind to record pictorial evidence of your rollicking tale.
Cheers, Stuey
rahams
rahams
NSW
544 posts
NSW, 544 posts
14 Apr 2010 12:04am
what doesnt kill you makes you stronger .i think every one has learnt something from this!!
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