How is a 12' 6" race board measured?

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LSD
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17 Dec 2009 11:36am
Is it the length of the board only or to the tip of an over hanging fin?


hilly
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17 Dec 2009 8:51am
I think they have a box that it needs to fit in at the event, heard stories of guys cutting off noses to fit in. The overhang would be an issue I believe.

Wouldn't that fin make it really hard to surf the runners? Really stiff? Most seem to have the fin quite forward.
DavidJohn
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17 Dec 2009 3:20pm
Dean.. I think in the US you may have a problem but here in Oz I'm sure it would pass.. I'd pass it.. It's the board that gets measured regardless of the fin.. IMO

The fin looks great.. (I know you paddle in an area with a lot of weed) The board also looks great.. It's good to see you left plenty of meat in the tail.

More pics please..

DJ
LSD
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17 Dec 2009 3:34pm
hilly said...

I think they have a box that it needs to fit in at the event, heard stories of guys cutting off noses to fit in. The overhang would be an issue I believe.

Wouldn't that fin make it really hard to surf the runners? Really stiff? Most seem to have the fin quite forward.


Yeah I think your right in all points here, the fin would have to be flush with the tail to comply to 12'6..but then yachts don't include rudders as hull length?
I've put the box way back to maximise paddle drive/speed, it's primarily a point to point board, after 20' a 12'6 feels very short, but certanly heaps easer to surf & spin around.
That fin pictured was the one out of my 20', I just put that in to exagerate the idea of over hang, & as far as surfing, being back so far & swept as it is, yes quite stiff....in regards to paddle speed it was no good either, too small, it let the board yaw way too much, I replaced it with a large 11" fin & fixed that problem.
The board isnt on "rails" anywhere near the extent as the 20' & 16'...the shorter board & no nose fin obviously has a negative effect here.
I have no idea what a good speed is for a 12'6 race board? But with the larger fin it could be paddled for extended disance at 8.5 to 9kph.
Interesting experiment with a boards weight & the effect it has on glide....

When paddling "lazy"...long slow strokes the 7kg unloaded board would loose speed a bit sooner than when it was loaded with sand (your guess is a good as mine 16kg?)
But the effort required to accelerate to speed was much higher, & the top speed was about 9k's loaded.....unloaded is about 10.5k's
I think the 12'6 class may end up the most popular, mainly because of minimal expence, storage, speed is good, havent a clue how it will go down wind in a 2 m sea...but I think in windy short period stuff they may be better than long boards......what do you think?


hilly
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17 Dec 2009 2:26pm
Logically the 12.6 will be most popular.

Weight and paddle speed?

Look at any racing sport they go for weight over strength, I remember that yacht snapping in half when they tightened up the mast.

Light would be good for endurance.

You would not be taking it into the shore break (like that DC 14? up in Queensland) so strength not an issue.

I would have thought shorter would be better for short period wind waves. Saying that DJ might differ as he likes the 14 over the 12 I think. He would know more.
BWDave
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19 Dec 2009 10:27am
I think those quoted speeds sound very fast. I would love to give it a paddle some time to get the feel of such a light board.
The quick pick up speed is a big plus in rough water because your progress is being stopped continuosly. I find the same in down winders, as you are slowed by running into the back of the wave in front then it takes a fair amount of grunt to get moving to catch the next one or stay on the one you are on. Where as in smooth water you can maintain the glide with the heavier board.
As far as length in the chop or short period wave I think that the 12'6 is easier to handle especially with some side wind. I have found that the long,18ft, boards catch a lot of breeze because there can be 4 or so feet of the bow end out of the water as it rides over swells.
Keep up the good work Dean
Dave
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20 Dec 2009 12:16pm
Hey Hilly,

What I found at the Mambo was that as the swell runs under you in a down winder the ass of the board sticks up in the air and suddenly the fin pops out and with solid side waves OH+ you slide side ways down the wave. The first time it happens is a real "Surprize" to say the least The only part of the board that is constantly in the wave is the middle. I think thats why the fin is so far foward????

Could be a technique issue on my behalf as I know nothing about down winders but, I cant see how you could constantly maintain drive and control without the fin in the water.

If you dd jump back on the tail to keep the fin in like I did, the board stalls out and you have to grunt paddle the board back to speed to get going.

Lots of skill and practice required me thinks.

I want my Laird 12er Back lol

Phill


hilly said...

I think they have a box that it needs to fit in at the event, heard stories of guys cutting off noses to fit in. The overhang would be an issue I believe.

Wouldn't that fin make it really hard to surf the runners? Really stiff? Most seem to have the fin quite forward.


StKilda SUPB
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20 Dec 2009 6:01pm
Hi Dean,
I know with the Port Phiilip Cup race in St Kilda, we want the race to be a paddle race rather than a board race hence we've capped the board limit to 12'6. We won't be concerned in the fin protrudes a little!
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