Maybe they should just make it like australian idol...everyone surfs and then everyone on the beach sends a text for there favorite......maybe they could get Dicko down for some special coments

messup said...

this may sound stupid because I'm not into the comp stuff
but surely this is not the FIRST sup comp in the world .
are the rules used for sup in Hawaii for example not usable in Oz ?
i dunno is that a dumb question ?
tom

Good point

62mac said...



So what is the difference between judging a sup event to longboard event other than paddle use?

mac

Guys on some Styles of SUP don't surf anything like a Longboarder. Hell, Dogman doesn't even have wax past the front of the wide point.

This is my personal view.

The sport is in need of an advisory council whose role is to liase with the established bodies like Surfing Australia and respective state branches. They only need to be in existence for as long as necessary to assist the established bodies in taking the sport in the right direction on matters like competition rules etc. After that has finished, then they can disband and leave it with them.
As for the who should be there, I would say it should be the guys and girls who compete in the sport at the elite level. Those people know who they are so no need to name them.
The clubs will exist at a level under them but obviously provide feedback to these guys as to what the general feeling from the SUP community is on particular issues.

goatman said...

62mac said...



So what is the difference between judging a sup event to longboard event other than paddle use?

mac

Guys on some Styles of SUP don't surf anything like a Longboarder. Hell, Dogman doesn't even have wax past the front of the wide point.

I ride my 9.4 longboard like a shortboard

There actually hasn't had that much changed in the rules.

For all the people who are saying that the using the paddle doesn't get scored you have just read it wrong. It has just been reworded and what they are saying is that they won't score it when the you are paddling while noseriding and things along the lines of that. It says the paddle must be used as a key tool. This is taken from the SA version

The paddle is a tool and a big part of the sport therefore it is not just used to help catch a wave, but is
necessary as a functional tool “aid” for riding the waves.

and this:

A surfer must perform radical controlled manoeuvres, using the paddle as a key tool

As for the longboarding side of it, where casso says it has been removed, once again they have reworded it and it basically says the same thing. This is taken from the SA version

SUP surfing is unique and can be done many ways but, for competition it is important to set the
criteria and scoring guidelines that will set the SUP discipline apart from established longboarding.

As for the noseriding part, it is not a huge part of the criteria but will be scored to some extent as it utilising more of the board in some situations.

With the paddling out part the reason it was removed is because it was too hard to judge and follow with everything else the judges have to follow. I know that people should be standing as much as possible but it is very hard to actually judge and if someone finds and easier way to regulate I'm sure it could be adopted.

There honestly hasn't been that many changes and I think it is being a little blown out of proportion.

My two cents
Keahi

well looks like we've talked ourselves into a circle.
from all this it sounds like there is still longbooard / shortboard style issues in the sup community which are valid when it comes to comps.
in my sup world somedays i'm on a 2 foot wave on a 10 foot whopper and happy as
tom

Casso said...

Keahi said...

There honestly hasn't been that many changes and I think it is being a little blown out of proportion.

... and both old and new versions state that "entry into the wave should be by paddling in the standing position" - I think some people may have missed this too.

Yea, I agree with Keahi. When I first read Casso's post I fired off a post of my own spitting the dummy. But when I actually clicked on the links Casso posted and read them, I deleated my post because I had the wrong idea about what they have done. It is really a rewording with a few things taken out. I can't say I'm happy they have done it as I liked the ISA version, but I can understand the reasoning and it's not so bad as I first thought.

Th0m0 said...

Casso said...

Keahi said...

There honestly hasn't been that many changes and I think it is being a little blown out of proportion.

... and both old and new versions state that "entry into the wave should be by paddling in the standing position" - I think some people may have missed this too.

Yea, I agree with Keahi. When I first read Casso's post I fired off a post of my own spitting the dummy. But when I actually clicked on the links Casso posted and read them, I deleated my post because I had the wrong idea about what they have done. It is really a rewording with a few things taken out. I can't say I'm happy they have done it as I liked the ISA version, but I can understand the reasoning and it's not so bad as I first thought.

i did the same,when i printed out the rules and sat down and went through both isa and surfing aust,i thought,almost the same,different words but same judging criteria.just a bit easier in the paddle out area and waiting for a wave.ieTO THE BEST OF THE RIDERS ABILITY he/she is EXPECTED to stand AT ALL TIMES throughout the heat unless the situation of safety dictates otherwise.however this will not have a bearing on any of the scoring.
i said in a previous post 10 foot bells is gunna be different to 1-2 foot firstpoint noosa,the best surfer will win at either place.

If anything this post shows how much passion folk have for the sport , thats gotta be a good thing!

The first thing I thought whilst reading through the names on the committee was, how many of these guys actually sup Time to shut that show right down, why dont we just get a bunch of tennis players or golfers to set the standard.


Thinking you could have a way better committee from members off this forum, I could name 10 worthy people straight up

do you think JC & Lummers are just swanning around out there?they incorporate noseriding and still manage to (flicky flac ) with the best so called short board suppers.I think we need to stop thinking short and longboard terms,and start thinking SUP.

log man said...

Maybe compeditors have to declare themselves before the start of the event . ie today I will surf as a ...........longboarder, and be judged for things other than radical manoeuvres . One of the groups that could be left out here is women. It's ok for you young whipper snappers to carve up waves so it looks like an gymnastic competition but what about those women , say over 40 (I'm being "Rupert the diplomat" here)whose surfing has different qualities than when they were 20. I'm sure we all know women who surf who's style and grace on a board is something most men will never have. How do we judge that in competition format based on performance,tricks,manouvres etc. Is it possible and wouldn't it be great to see a final between a 40 year old woman and one of the hot shot young blokes on SUP . Personally I'd prefer watching older women surf (down DJ ,DOWN!!) than 18 year old men. There is something very cool, very soulfull when you see experienced older women surf . I know this is off the topic but wtf

Tux said...

Maybe they should just make it like australian idol...everyone surfs and then everyone on the beach sends a text for there favorite......maybe they could get Dicko down for some special coments

Dicko is a drunk and is probably busy enough with commitments. Kyle Sandilands on the other hand could be looking for some extra work.

If the rules cater to one style, I bet it would be the one that the industry at large is interested in promoting. If this trend continues, we will see a division for progressive shortSUP created - and for good reason!

If the judging criteria are skewed, the most progressive riders are screwed...

I guess thats the million dollar question

Lfish said...

Jon E B said...

If the rules cater to one style, I bet it would be the one that the industry at large is interested in promoting. If this trend continues, we will see a division for progressive shortSUP created - and for good reason!

If the judging criteria are skewed, the most progressive riders are screwed...

What do YOU call "progressive"......?????