"Non surfing" allrounders

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akhawk
akhawk
WA
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24 Sep 2009 7:25am
I know there is another thread going on all rounders but with surfing as a large priority. I was curious about all these other boards such as the pins, glides etc. Are they very specific in their purpose ie flat water as opposed to open ocean paddling? Or is there a board available that is designed for both flat water (lake, river etc) as well as open ocean, down wind paddling etc?
DJ, this may be one for you
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
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24 Sep 2009 9:40am
Any open ocean board will paddle flat water pretty well.. but not every flat water board will handle the open ocean (unless it's very calm) or do serious down-winders.

My vote goes for the 14' Glide and with the AST version being only about $1800 it is a bargain price IMO.

I've never tryed a C4 Vortice or Starboard Point but I'm sure they'd also be very good but both are much more expensive than the Naish and not nessessary any better.

The new Surftech 14' Bark is another option but I don't think it comes close to the 14' Naish as a down-wind board.

DJ
akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
WA, 1085 posts
24 Sep 2009 8:18am
Cheers DJ, thats what I was after
Is there much Difference in the design and intended purpose with the 12' and 14' glides? Are they both open ocean boards?
tha dogman
tha dogman
NSW
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NSW, 2912 posts
24 Sep 2009 10:33am
akhawk

checkout DJ's thread on the two boards it has some nice pics that show the 2 boards and it is eazy to see the difference

DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
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24 Sep 2009 10:47am
There is a pretty big difference between the 12' and 14' Glides.. Actually they're like chalk and cheese..

IMO the 12' Glide is a flat water 'do it all' sort of board that can be surfed and also do down-winders pretty well.. up to a point.

It's when the going gets rough that this board is not as good as the 14' Glide.. I think it's the sharp rails towards the front that cause it to trip or catch when the board gets hit with side chop and pushed sidways.. It's a bit like catching an edge snowboarding.. You fall and think what just happened.

Also in the open ocean you get bigger gaps between the swells and all sorts of lumps and bumps on the swells.. This is where the longer boards excell and the shorter boards become hard work.. The 14'er with its higher and thicker nose helps heaps in these rough conditions because pearling happens alot.

The 12' Glide has the advantage of being lighter and more monoverable and also easier to lift on and off the car roof.. It's also very stable and fast on flat water.

You need to demo both., Here's a link to what dogman was refering to.. www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55297

DJ

Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
24 Sep 2009 8:56am
akhawk said...

Cheers DJ, thats what I was after
Is there much Difference in the design and intended purpose with the 12' and 14' glides? Are they both open ocean boards?


AKhawk

In my experience in WA unless you are doing Rottnest to mainland open ocean downwinders the 12 foot boards are the go. Not much other options/routes for the big open ocean swell riding given our geography and prevailing conditions.

So your only real option is river/bay downwinders which is a totally different beast to the OC stuff. Bumps much smaller and closer together. A 14 footer would be unsuitable in these conditions.

My vote is the 12 glide (have not ridden but heard good things) or 12'6 pin (have ridden and love).
willmcc1
willmcc1
17 posts
17 posts
24 Sep 2009 9:00am
Does anywhere in Aus stock Bark boards? I had a quick squiz at the Surftech Australia website and there is no mention of Bark on there.
Ali Cat
Ali Cat
QLD
1205 posts
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24 Sep 2009 11:08am
The 14' glide is definately more of an open ocean board that the 12'. It picks up runners much more easily, the increased rocker allows it to cut through chop more easily and the narrower width allows it to get greater speed.

In flat water, this difference is less noticeable, however i feel that the 14' is definately faster than the 12' in the flat as well (mainly because its a couple of inches narrower). The extra width in the 12' board however makes it very stable and a good all around board.

If you are wanting to get into downwind/ocean racing, i'd recommend the 14' for sure, but if you're wanting to mainly flatwater paddle with the occasional recreational downwind paddle, the 12' might be more suitable. (If you wanted a pure flatwater racer then a custom board for this purpose might be the go).

I know you're not so interested in the surfing side, but for the benefit of others, if you're considering using these boards for surfing as well, I found the 12' glide fun in small waves (too small for my shortboard SUP) or in big fat waves when i couldn't get up enough speed on my shorter board to catch them, but I probably wouldn't consider taking my 14' out for a surf at all!!! Obviously neither board are ideal for surfing as its not what they're designed for and if you want a surfing all-rounder you're probably better off looking at something else or getting a 2+ board quiver.

Cheers & hope this helps,

Ali
Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
24 Sep 2009 10:57am
willmcc1 said...

Does anywhere in Aus stock Bark boards? I had a quick squiz at the Surftech Australia website and there is no mention of Bark on there.


As far as I am aware no.

There was one 14 ft Bark for sale here a while back but do not know if it still is.

DJ has paddled the Bark board and knows where it is if you are keen.

I also like the look of the Bark boards but the $$ to ship one over from California is ridiculous around $800-$1000 and that is just to Sydney.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
24 Sep 2009 9:43pm
DavidJohn said...

Any open ocean board will paddle flat water pretty well.. but not every flat water board will handle the open ocean (unless it's very calm) or do serious down-winders.

My vote goes for the 14' Glide and with the AST version being only about $1800 it is a bargain price IMO.

I've never tryed a C4 Vortice or Starboard Point but I'm sure they'd also be very good but both are much more expensive than the Naish and not nessessary any better.

The new Surftech 14' Bark is another option but I don't think it comes close to the 14' Naish as a down-wind board.

DJ


i have paddled it in flatwater, but you only have to look at it and see the ocean is it's field of play.
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