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62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
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12 Dec 2008 7:22pm
Shame, Why are all the new births made in China and are wrapped in the same old cardboard?We have some of the BEST shapers in the world right here in Australia!
But i guess the labour content inflates the market!
What we have to pay our staff hourly,the poor overseas factory people get paid monthly if they are lucky!

Proud Australian

mac
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
12 Dec 2008 7:28pm
Don't be so racist macca, if you look deeper you will see plenty of us are getting/have had pure blood aussie babies also. I thought you were adopting a Thai Naish from the cobra factory today? What happened?
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
12 Dec 2008 7:33pm
Yep Oliver,sorry mate i know you supported local and that is one sweet board!
Mate i got carried away at work and the store was only open odd hours today!
OK i will buy the Naish,but i just dont know why i cant find a locally made SUP on the GC,that works!SHAME!

mac
Glass off
Glass off
124 posts
124 posts
12 Dec 2008 7:34pm
Business is business & business must grow,
regardless of crummies in tummies you know.
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
12 Dec 2008 8:37pm
actually many of the mass produced boards come out of the Cobra factory in Thailand.
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
12 Dec 2008 7:44pm
Hey guy's i've manufactured Australian made products for 20 odd years only to be blown out of the water buy cheap labour countries!Thats why i dont understand why Australians dont support local (Oliver is safe)
sorry for the rant guy's,Just blowing steam off,way better than at the local pub on a Friday night!Cheers

mac
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
12 Dec 2008 7:48pm
Thank god for that....

Brooko you are safe, Boardbumps you are safe, Stuey you are safe, Paul.J you are safe, Bendover you are safe - "The time has come" you are all going to purgatory including you macca

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44564

62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
12 Dec 2008 8:00pm
lol Oliver,thanks I really mean no trouble!
Give me some slack!

macvery funny with the link Oliver btw
how is the head ,when is the cotton coming
out?
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
12 Dec 2008 8:33pm
I agree with number three,which after surfing gee some 30+ years,go for everything BUT alway's remember (rule number three!) Oliver without sounding like a tosser,I know very very little about SUP(thats why iam on this forum to learn! )Me ?surfed Indo Hawaii and so on,if your going to come unstuck,alway's at least try to push the board in/away, or land behind the board.Why the board will ALWAY'S move closer the the beach than your weight,this will reduce the options of broken bones/cuts!

mac
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
12 Dec 2008 9:38pm
guess 62mac everyone is after a bargain , thats why stores like Bunnings and Crazy,s ect flourish.It would be nice to buy only Aussie made product,s but i guess if we all done that the other countries would not buy our quality products.Whats the old saying you cant get the best product , with the best performance for the lowest price.Something like that anyways.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5126 posts
VIC, 5126 posts
12 Dec 2008 10:56pm
I think most people buy what is available. It's nice to be able to try then buy. Two grand is a lot of spondoolicks to drop on a board that you don't like or doesn't work. It's way different to getting a custom-built shortboard for $600.

If we had access to a local shaper and we try various sizes and shapes and buy a quality product at a reasonable price then things might be different.

I've had custom built kites and kite boards and it's much nicer to go to SHQ and just buy a good one straight off the shelf.

Oliver's picture of purgatory looks quite nice. Lots of skinny chicks with droopy tits looks like fun. I guess Oliver will only spend a little time with us because he has a Stonker to offset his Naish and Uli.
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
12 Dec 2008 9:19pm
I like boobies I dont want to go to heaven anymore Mac you need to give rod from boardbumps a call, he is in Australia
Piros
Piros
QLD
7303 posts
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12 Dec 2008 10:46pm
Gorgo said...

I think most people buy what is available. It's nice to be able to try then buy. Two grand is a lot of spondoolicks to drop on a board that you don't like or doesn't work. It's way different to getting a custom-built shortboard for $600.

If we had access to a local shaper and we try various sizes and shapes and buy a quality product at a reasonable price then things might be different.

I've had custom built kites and kite boards and it's much nicer to go to SHQ and just buy a good one straight off the shelf.

Oliver's picture of purgatory looks quite nice. Lots of skinny chicks with droopy tits looks like fun. I guess Oliver will only spend a little time with us because he has a Stonker to offset his Naish and Uli.



Realisticly supping in Aus is only a year old and our custom shapers have had very little experience in shaping, if you buy a Sup from the home grounds of Ron House, Gerry Lopez , Blane Chambers or Laird Hamilton they have had years of R&D and you are going to get something tried and tested , so if you are going to sink 2k into a sup I would invest in it something that is proven.Our local boys will come to the party soon but they will have to make many mistakes before they get it right.

Rob

62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
12 Dec 2008 10:10pm
Hey Piros,What about guy's like Dale and Bob.dont you think they are on the game?
Maybe a year old in Australia but both the above have been around?
mac
baldrick
baldrick
QLD
146 posts
QLD, 146 posts
12 Dec 2008 11:10pm
62mac said...

Why are all the new births made in China and are wrapped in the same old cardboard?We have some of the BEST shapers in the world right here in Australia!


Maybe buying Thai and Chinese boards saves our Aussie shapers, glassers, sanders and sprayers from horrendous internal cancers later in life caused by working with some of the most toxic chemicals that can be bought over the counter!

Doing them a favour dude.

Chill
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
12 Dec 2008 10:19pm
Piros, you too are headed for purgatory.

You are right in a sense in that those guys have been doing years of R&D designing boards for Hawaiian conditions.

Where I surf the waves don't look anything like they do over there - they are even measured differently (unless your name is brooko).

I looked at what the Stonker guys were doing locally and these guys sup, surf, sail, kite themselves and they know their own boards and our conditions better than some foreigner who greets you with an "aloha" - I'm sure Rod is the same. I've also had a bit of experience myself and together with DJ we let them know what I wanted for my board, based on what they were already doing - 2 plug leashes in the deck for carrying the board, extra layer of fiberglass in the sweet spot for added strength, thinned out nose and tail, two tone wood for aesthetics and added strength, width, length height dimensions etc.

There is really something special about a board, hand built, to your specifications, that a mass produced board can never match - and cost wise there is no difference to a mass produced board.

And GregW those chicks look way too moody for me - I don't think they would be that much fun to be around for too long - probably nag you all the time. Trust me give Stonker a call for your next birth.

And baldrick - your appearances here are rare but worthwhile.... pfffft
Piros
Piros
QLD
7303 posts
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12 Dec 2008 11:25pm
62mac said...

Hey Piros,What about guy's like Dale and Bob.dont you think they are on the game?
Maybe a year old in Australia but both the above have been around?
mac


Mate I'm good mates with Dale and he makes great boards especially his race boards but like most shapers he is still experimenting ,and no doubt Dale Chapman will produce something very special as an ex pro surfer/shaper he is our best local chance for our Aussie made Sup machine but even Dale is looking hard at the imports.

Rob

62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
12 Dec 2008 10:40pm
Piros,I spoke with Dale in Noosa a couple of years ago,without dought he is leading the way on the GC!If i had Dales talents,i would take the importers on,i mean head on!
He knows his stuff,who else can offer a custom made SUP (that works) on the GC?
No one!
PS what about MACCA ron house? are you mates with him?
mac
Piros
Piros
QLD
7303 posts
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13 Dec 2008 12:02am
oliver said...

Piros, you too are headed for purgatory.

You are right in a sense in that those guys have been doing years of R&D designing boards for Hawaiian conditions.

Where I surf the waves don't look anything like they do over there - they are even measured differently.

I looked at what the Stonker guys were doing locally and these guys sup, surf, sail, kite themselves and they know their own boards and our conditions better than anyone who greets people with "aloha" does - I'm sure Rod is the same. I've also had a bit of experience myself and together with DJ we let them know what I wanted from my board - 2 plug leashes in the deck for carrying the board, extra layer of fiberglass in the sweet spot for added strength, thinned out nose and tail, two tone wood for aesthetics and added strength, width, length height dimensions etc.

There is really something special about a board, hand built, to your specifications, that a mass produced board can never match - and cost wise there is no different to a mass produced board.

And GregW those chicks look moody to me - I don't think they would be that much fun to be around for too long. Trust me give Stonker a call for your next birth.

And baldrick - your appearances here are rare but worthwhile.... pfffft


Mac I'm between a rock and a hard place I sup both on Dales and Maccas boards you say you know Macca but he can't recall you and are'nt you buying a Naish ? Dale is leader in design especially with his C&C machine and one of the best suppers in town , when the time is right I'll be riding his boards.

Oliver we really are different in what we want from a Sup , I really don't care what it looks like but what it can do , I really like driving down the line and driving it off the lip and pulling it around and smashing it off the foam ball behind me , I don't care about the colour of the curtains or if it's easy to carry , to me it's all about performance ,your board looks really nice and well made and props to the guys who made it but how does it surf ? if you want to pump it up show me some shots of you ripping it up.

Rob
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
SA
2060 posts
SA, 2060 posts
13 Dec 2008 12:33am
I don't know why you guys are asking me, I am the biggest fence sitter eva. I shaped my own board out of a block of styrofoam that started out 300 x 2900 long. Wasted 40% of that foam on the shapers floor, made what I think is a sick board which had a ripper review from Casso, its a local product as I employed a local glasser (even though it was a contra deal for some spaki work i did for him) but this year I bought 3 x JP windsurfing boards and a quiver of cheap sails from china.

I will burn in hell but maybe get a sneak look at a virgin on the way......
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
12 Dec 2008 11:46pm
Piros said...

Oliver we really are different in what we want from a Sup, I really don't care what it looks like but what it can do , I really like driving down the line and driving it off the lip and pulling it around and smashing it off the foam ball behind me , I don't care about the colour of the curtains or if it's easy to carry , to me it's all about performance ,your board looks really nice and well made and props to the guys who made it but how does it surf ? if you want to pump it up show me some shots of you ripping it up.

Rob


What can I say..... my board surfs well, I can turn my board in the surf now - something I couldn't do on my 11'6", I get the odd fin coming down on my head, and yeah I like the aesthetics. I'm a self confessed newbie in the surf and don't pretend to be anything better.

Personally, I find it mildly amusing that you think that I'm in some sort of competition with you. Too be frank, I really couldn't give a toss about you or who you are mates with or how you like "driving down the line and driving it off the lip and pulling it around and smashing it off the foam ball behind you."

Good on you Rob
elbeau
elbeau
WA
988 posts
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13 Dec 2008 12:00am
62mac said...

Shame, Why are all the new births made in China and are wrapped in the same old cardboard?We have some of the BEST shapers in the world right here in Australia!
But i guess the labour content inflates the market!
What we have to pay our staff hourly,the poor overseas factory people get paid monthly if they are lucky!

Proud Australian

mac


I have owned numerous malibu's made by reputable Australian shapers.
My latest board is a product of thailand. I have had it for over 18 months and would never return to a custom board again. It is that superior to the Australian produced boards I have owned
stuey c
stuey c
QLD
265 posts
QLD, 265 posts
13 Dec 2008 2:39am
As someone who has lived and unfortunately breathed, (as Baldrick pointed out so well) building Aussie surfboards since the age of 12 (that's right, 35 years in the pit), all I can be bothered saying is that I find a lot of the crap that has gone down in this thread totally offensive! For those of you without the initiative to seek out some true homegrown quality, go ahead, keep buying your mass-produced popouts, that's all you probably deserve........

P.S. A custom board handbuilt by someone WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING will outperform these things any day in any conditions !!!!!!!
Glass off
Glass off
124 posts
124 posts
13 Dec 2008 4:52am
Way back in the days when the grass was still green
and the pond was still wet
and the clouds were still clean....



Look guys we are all riding on things made of toxic chemicals wether it's made in NZ, AUS or China - doesn't change the fact it's a toxic product with a limited life-span.

Those molded boards are still originally designed by renowned shapers on the Rock (Hawaii).

The local shapers in NZ, AUS,Hawaii etc. can take advantage of this mass-production by focussing on innovation while their mass produced boards provide a bread-&-butter line of income.

I have a Sam Egan 6'3" Resin8 that was Australian designed - Chinese made.

If you want to get all purist I would suggest you build yourself Wooden Alaia boards from your backyard - but you might have to ditch the SUP idea , looks like it's an acheivment to even get to your feet on an Alaia - let alone ride a wave with some style.

So be cool guys, this is one of the first threads on this SUPforum that has been a bit of a ****-fight
elbeau
elbeau
WA
988 posts
WA, 988 posts
13 Dec 2008 5:06am
stuey c said...

As someone who has lived and unfortunately breathed, (as Baldrick pointed out so well) building Aussie surfboards since the age of 12 (that's right, 35 years in the pit), all I can be bothered saying is that I find a lot of the crap that has gone down in this thread totally offensive! For those of you without the initiative to seek out some true homegrown quality, go ahead, keep buying your mass-produced popouts, that's all you probably deserve........

P.S. A custom board handbuilt by someone WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING will outperform these things any day in any conditions !!!!!!!


Your firey retort set me to thinking back over the boards I've owned over a nearly 50 years of surfing.
I stand corrected.
The best board I ever purchased was shaped and glassed in Perth.
It was made for a then WA junior longboard champion.
He sold it to me as he was travelling I think. Anyway, it was a genuine gem. I rode that for years and can say unequivocally it was my best board.
The board from Thailand comes a close second though and I've had many boards
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3381 posts
QLD, 3381 posts
13 Dec 2008 6:14am
I offer the choice of a custom board at the shop but i think most people aren't ready for customs and with so much to be worked out still in shape and rockers no one wants to to pay 2 grand to be a Ginny pig. As the sport get older there will be a trend towards custom boards when people know exactly what they want in a board but a the moment most people are happy to trust the pop out boards that have had a lot of testing and are going to work.

Jacko
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
13 Dec 2008 7:18am
I don't see this thread as a **** fight, just a heated debate, which is good. All young sports need debate.

I don't really have a preference either way, even though I have a Naish.

I was talking to a mate of mine who was a shaper of polyester and epoxy windsurfers in the past, quite simply they got to a point where they couldn't justify the time and health risks on a custom product when the mass produced items were of such high quality. With that in mind hey closed down the custom side of the business and now just sell production gear. In windsurfing it seems a number of guys have gone the same way. What does that have to do with SUP, the techniques used to build a modern SUP are very similar to a modern windsurfer. Many of the boards come from the same factories and a few are being sold by what were originally windsurfing brands. Hell the first time I had ever heard of Laird he was on a windsurfing video - old Neil Pryde vid called Fast Forward.

I have to admit I haven't been SUPing long enough to have any hope of telling the difference between a good board and bad, the board I bought felt the best of the ones I had tried and every time I am out on it I am smiling, that's all I really care about.
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
13 Dec 2008 9:06am
stuey c said...

As someone who has lived and unfortunately breathed, (as Baldrick pointed out so well) building Aussie surfboards since the age of 12 (that's right, 35 years in the pit), all I can be bothered saying is that I find a lot of the crap that has gone down in this thread totally offensive! For those of you without the initiative to seek out some true homegrown quality, go ahead, keep buying your mass-produced popouts, that's all you probably deserve........

P.S. A custom board handbuilt by someone WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING will outperform these things any day in any conditions !!!!!!!


He said It Im quite willing and even excited to get an Aussie board custom made from Rod, I should get it after christmas, and when I do I will compare it with my massed produced 9 6" naish ( which I like) and put a review on here for you all. Dont get me wrong I love the look of the psh boards and think they would rip. Just think I can get as good product right here in Aus off a guy who sups and knows what his talking about. The other thing is all these desighns everyones getting just now are over 6 months old, my desighn is the latest 1 day old
ChrisMcC
ChrisMcC
NSW
667 posts
NSW, 667 posts
13 Dec 2008 11:06am
62Mac, are you really trying to find an Aussie made board?
You mentioned DC, but there is also Woody, DMS, Rod??? Ok Rod's in Coffs but Dan and Woody and Dale are all here on the coast. I can personally say that Dan's boards go unreal but if you want an second opinion from a more experienced person, talk to Guy Walker ... third in Honolua on one of Dan's. Then you have Laguna on the Sunshine Coast ... In fact when you look at the results of the Honolua, Woody (1st), Guy (3rd), Jake (semis), Kelly (finals) and Woogee (semis?) (sorry if I got them wrong) were all on locally produced boards so to me (and I mean in my opinion only) they must all work
IMO, the local shapers are producing boards that are just as good if not better than the pop outs, the reason you don't hear as much about them is only because they haven't got the large marketing dollars that the Naishs, C4 and PSH have got to get their names out in the forefront of people's minds.
champcrow
champcrow
SA
804 posts
SA, 804 posts
13 Dec 2008 12:25pm
WOW fella's, I'd just be happy to not have to drive 2 and a half hours just to see a board wether it be a pop out or custom
Brooko
Brooko
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1672 posts
13 Dec 2008 11:16am
champcrow said...

WOW fella's, I'd just be happy to not have to drive 2 and a half hours just to see a board wether it be a pop out or custom


Champ you need to relocate brother Ive made a rule in my life to never live further than 10 mins to the closest beach
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