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26 Sep 2009 7:52pm
Please note this footage may upset some viewers

There is vision of people doing radical turns on short Bush Mechanic made single fin SUPs.

No reponsibility will be taken for any enjoyment derived from this video.

View at your own risk!



The DC 8'0 Kristi is riding in the video is radically smaller than her current 8'9 Imperial.



She did very well to catch waves on it in the strong wind on the day.

Phill





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26 Sep 2009 8:44pm
Great job Phill!!
How did you take video, still shots, & talk on the radio coaching Kristi ....all at the same time?
I thought females were the only creatures that could do numerous things at the same time?

Thanks
Dean & Adam
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26 Sep 2009 8:55pm
Hey Dean,

I have burned you guys a DVD with all the footage and pics.

I am glad you like the footage.

I can only upload to vimeo in VHS so the quality isnt great but the surfing was.

Phill
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26 Sep 2009 6:59pm
Good work, Great surfing
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26 Sep 2009 10:40pm
Thanks Phill.. Great vid.

DJ
byronmaui
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27 Sep 2009 5:31am
Great Vid and some good surfing.

LSD are you just waxing the deck? If so how is the deck holding up? The boards look real good.

Aloha

B
Jon E B
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27 Sep 2009 6:16am
It was great to see those boards in action!
I am looking forward to future vids of you guys - good job!
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27 Sep 2009 9:09am
byronmaui said...

Great Vid and some good surfing.

LSD are you just waxing the deck? If so how is the deck holding up? The boards look real good.

Aloha

B


The light boards are holding up surprisingly well, this is due to the spongy LS EPS/Epoxy. The only issue some riders may not like is the foot dints, but then some people that have riden my board say it feels good under foot. The boards were made light to find the weak points & this is the only area that needs, or can be addressed by a simple mod
I use a high tech non slip called castor sugar. Its like the high tech method of bending the rocker over a 4 x 2, some people can't get their head around that either.(bloody bush mechanics)
Wax is too messy/slipery.....very rare to slip standing on sugar, its just wet & dried to suit.....if you do slip on it...part of you will left on the board...LOL

6mm foot dint, board has been surfed an av once a day for the last 4 months


sugar

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27 Sep 2009 11:24am
Hey Dean Aka "The Bush Mechanic Aka Yoda,

Glad you like the Vid was great fun shooting it..

The ability to shoot stills, video and coach Kristi via radio helmet at the same time has evolved due to a torturous twist of fate.

Having 3 very driven daughters that need everthing done now in 3 different directions at the same time, has unfortunately caused this mutation.

On a lighter note:

Dear Bush Mechanic

Can you explain what you do with the caster sugar and how it works instead of wax and gip etc. Do you mix the caster sugar in with the top coat???

The reason I ask is the Graphic on Niki's Board. We dont want to cover it as it is a work of art.

Kristi would not move forward far enough on the board in the wind on take off to get drive down the wave. The deck grip ends a long way before the nose to avoid covering the graphic. I have waxed the noise to improve grip but she still slipped on in quite a bit.

This also stops her correct position on the board when riding as her footing is behind the hips of the board.

You will notice on the Ipmerial she has no issue moving forward and was getting on with no problems at all and the board is well trimmed and in nice ballance.

Phill

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27 Sep 2009 11:39am
Hey Jon,

I have broken ribs and will be out for about another 4 weeks, so I am travelling around the breaks shooting vid and stills to showcase some of the SUP talent we have and Playing "Myth Busters" at the same time.

The thing that impresses me most about Dean and Adam is these guys use the whole board!

Sure they get some radical turns happening even in those little powder puff waves, but they nose ride and do lay backs etc. They are a pleasure to watch as they have the whole package!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And they make all thier own boards.

Oh and Adam is about 95kg, 6ft3 and is riding a 7'10 or a 7'8.

Just wait till we get some serious, swell and then I will post Vid of these guys really ripping.

I am trying to help Kristi as she admires and looks up to these guys as well as Matty Mathews, Dave Boyd, Lummers and JC who combine the whole package.

Phill

Jon E B said...

It was great to see those boards in action!
I am looking forward to future vids of you guys - good job!


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27 Sep 2009 12:12pm
Sugar coat is an old sailboard method of providing grip.

Another method was to resin some fabric to the deck, let the resin go off then peel off the fabric. It leaves a nice textured surface that doesn't remove large chunks of flesh.
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27 Sep 2009 2:47pm
Phill,
The method I use for nonslip is a very thin rolled coat of epoxy, then sprinkle with castor sugar to give an even coat. When hard, wash with warm water to desolve sugar, then a light wipe with fine wet & dry paper to remove sharpness to the desired level.
I am happy to Kristi's board, just remove wax, a wax desolver will need to be used, then bring it around, only takes a few min.
Cheers
Dean
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27 Sep 2009 12:50pm
And buy a plane ticket phill, Half the cost on me.

Sort out my custom with LSD and hey presto cheap weekend in NZ soup

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27 Sep 2009 3:33pm
Dean,do you know what system Boardbumps uses on the forward section of his boards that are also non-slip
LSD said...

Phill,
The method I use for nonslip is a very thin rolled coat of epoxy, then sprinkle with castor sugar to give an even coat. When hard, wash with warm water to desolve sugar, then a light wipe with fine wet & dry paper to remove sharpness to the desired level.
I am happy to Kristi's board, just remove wax, a wax desolver will need to be used, then bring it around, only takes a few min.
Cheers
Dean


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27 Sep 2009 3:45pm
Dean, what length and width are the two boards in Phills vid Your board appears to gain it's max speed when your about a foot from the nose,is that it's design function or the way you prefer to ride it? I raise that because your sons board is ridden in the more traditional shortboard stand and deliver position.
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27 Sep 2009 3:46pm
OG SUP said...

Hey Dean Aka "The Bush Mechanic Aka Yoda,

Glad you like the Vid was great fun shooting it..

The ability to shoot stills, video and coach Kristi via radio helmet at the same time has evolved due to a torturous twist of fate.

Having 3 very driven daughters that need everthing done now in 3 different directions at the same time, has unfortunately caused this mutation.

On a lighter note:

Dear Bush Mechanic

Can you explain what you do with the caster sugar and how it works instead of wax and gip etc. Do you mix the caster sugar in with the top coat???

The reason I ask is the Graphic on Niki's Board. We dont want to cover it as it is a work of art.

Kristi would not move forward far enough on the board in the wind on take off to get drive down the wave. The deck grip ends a long way before the nose to avoid covering the graphic. I have waxed the noise to improve grip but she still slipped on in quite a bit.

This also stops her correct position on the board when riding as her footing is behind the hips of the board.

You will notice on the Ipmerial she has no issue moving forward and was getting on with no problems at all and the board is well trimmed and in nice ballance.

Phill




hi phil, i thought kristie was to narrow in her stance on that board. she kinda wasn't working the board enough. now i know why. lsd's hi tech gripping system looks the go
cheers
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27 Sep 2009 6:21pm
Hi Lacey,

Dean yesterday was surprised when he came out of the water, I am sure he thought I had totally lost my mind asI was continually talking to myself.

Then he realised was talking to Kristi out in the water via a radio comms system. We review the video at home, Kristi can hear what I was saying to her on the video and what she did and how it makes the board react.

Kristi in return does the same for me. Thats how I have gone from a 12'2 Laird to a 9'4 in under 5 months.

The reason I shoot so much video is so I can see what is happening when people surf an then if they want, help them to improve. Rich picked out several things after just one session.

It allows me to shoot the last ride review it in the camera look at whats is going wrong and then suggest adjustments immediately to Kristi real time before she surfs the next wave.

When Kristi is on the wave surfing I can ask her to move her foot back a few inches or side ways a little so she can see what happens. That is how she has been able to get the Imperial dialed in so quickly 3-4 months.

In bigger surf she has more confidence as I can talk to her and tell her which waves will close out etc and assist her work out her line ups. Its more like I am actually there surfing with her. She can now pick all her own waves.

Every time I asked her to move forward on Niki's board yesterday she would slide off the wax when driving hard.

This is confirmed by 5 other wave attempts I videoed. Then when she got back on the Imperial she does cut backs with ease.

She asked Niki if she could ride her DC 8 board as she wants to progress on to shorter board to do more radical manouvres.

Shes loves the DC 8 and we will be working together to get it Dialed for Mambo.

I think eventually we will get an 8ft of 7'6 rounded nose board made for Kristi to she can nose ride it as well. She loves to see Dean trim and go screaming down the line at Mach 5

So do I.

Phill



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28 Sep 2009 8:49am
rodriguez said...

Dean, what length and width are the two boards in Phills vid Your board appears to gain it's max speed when your about a foot from the nose,is that it's design function or the way you prefer to ride it? I raise that because your sons board is ridden in the more traditional shortboard stand and deliver position.

Very good obsevation Rod, I will always find the right buttons to push on any new board to get the most speed, then the most power can be put into turns, so the board can dictate where I stand. Also the slow melow waves we were riding in the vid should be taken into account...the day before was totaly different, a solid head high, 20+ second ground swell.
Some of the reason I will ride more forward comes from my age....or rather the period I did a lot of surfing with single fins, more rail in the water powerfull carving drawn out turns, the quality of the waves dictated this as well. Wayne Lynch talks about this more forward style in a video clip in the "tin shed" of the Patagonia site.
Have a look at some local waves in it.
Adams board is 7' 10" x 31" mine is 8' 2" x 30 1/2" , quite similar in size, but Adam is 95kg & 6' 4", 18kg more than me. His fin setup is tri, mine single, that can be seen in some stalls/slips out of his turns. He was complaining about lack of initial drive, but as momentum his increased the fins track ok, & can be more forgiving in a fast snap, where a single fin can overpower & pop/ spin out. They can be more technical to use at times. I like the thrust/drive from a single fin, & I obviously like to nose ride, the acceleration you have noticed is dramatic on a fast wave, the first time I went to the nose on these boards it was like steping on a bar of soap
So its a great tool to use for getting down the line or through a very fast breaking section....come off the bottom, point the board along & up the wave pull in tight & high...run up the the nose onto the concave, the large single fin provides thrust & positive directional control, small multi fins here can slip hear, the big single never fails.
Another very interesting thing to see in Phills shots is the amount of water over the rail, again providing grip & stability on a wall.
A lot of people including me, have tended toward lower sharper rails for "performance" surfing. more bite/grip, but there is something in these soft rail, round outline fat boards.
Cheers
Dean

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28 Sep 2009 10:51am
Nice surfing Guy’s!
Interesting observations of what your rails are doing Dean; I was thinking the same thing. I’m about to start to shape a new board for myself. I think it will take me a bit longer than 10 hrs, but I’ll try and keep you posted.
I’ve given the rail design some thought.
Now here’s a story.
A friend of mine pulls up at Lennox head, it’s 6 to 8 ft, barrelling, going off. He only has his 5’ 10” McCoy with him. So he paddles out with all his mates saying, “no way, it won’t handle the size, or the barrel. But he ends up getting the best barrels of his life, on a 5’10” with thick boxy rails! Now Jeff McCoy is on a very different design trip to most short board shapers, but his boards do rip! As I understand it, what he is trying to do with his big, thick, soft rails, is get the water to “stich” to the wave. Get water flowing around the rails, so the boards can hold on to the wave face. Laminar Flow? They work.
Sound exactly what were after with the bigger volume rails. And the board widths of a SUP. …..Just a thought.
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Allo said...

Nice surfing Guy’s!
Interesting observations of what your rails are doing Dean; I was thinking the same thing. I’m about to start to shape a new board for myself. I think it will take me a bit longer than 10 hrs, but I’ll try and keep you posted.
I’ve given the rail design some thought.
Now here’s a story.
A friend of mine pulls up at Lennox head, it’s 6 to 8 ft, barrelling, going off. He only has his 5’ 10” McCoy with him. So he paddles out with all his mates saying, “no way, it won’t handle the size, or the barrel. But he ends up getting the best barrels of his life, on a 5’10” with thick boxy rails! Now Jeff McCoy is on a very different design trip to most short board shapers, but his boards do rip! As I understand it, what he is trying to do with his big, thick, soft rails, is get the water to “stich” to the wave. Get water flowing around the rails, so the boards can hold on to the wave face. Laminar Flow? They work.
Sound exactly what were after with the bigger volume rails. And the board widths of a SUP. …..Just a thought.



You can see in this nose ride how much water is flowing over the rail to the top of the board....about 12" over! What increases this flow I think, is the very curvy outline as well. The relativley small length of "curvy" rail is being forced into the wave by the fin.
I would imagine thats why Starboard were pleasantly surprised to find how well the wopper performs.
On larger more powerfull waves I've found its just a matter of keeping that rail nicely set or buried....quite often simply by standing on it
If you look at "Yoda's" new board, rails are still full in the middle & I have thinned tha tail for more "foil" effect, to speed the flow off the tail.
(Why do they call me yoda?...is because I'm short, round with point ears & talk funny? or surf with a walking stick?)

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28 Sep 2009 11:22am
Another great video Phil. Keep up the great work BUT I do hope you are back in the water before long.

Dale
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daletor said...

Another great video Phil. Keep up the great work BUT I do hope you are back in the water before long.

Dale


Any surf were you are Dale?
Still crap here, wind is down to 25knts swell was up to 10 m on the buoy 2 nights ago. May be ok for a kite in a few hours.
When I sealed my new board yesterday it was getting tiny black specs of dust on it...? I couldnt work out were it was comming from? then I realised it must have come out of the Anglesea coal mine 3 ks away, up wind

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28 Sep 2009 11:56am
Tux,your a mind reader!i was just about to make the same comments,I have had a couple of Toms boards,and while you have to have he's ability to ride them properly,his hydro-dynamic theories are not for dispute.Dean,Tom was the first guy to advercate really big centre fins,as a means to thrust and forward drive just as you are now.There is always a lot of discussion here about fins and there ability to change a boards performance,and i do agree,when you move your fins around you will be amazed that they even paddle better or worse depending on the size and position relative to the type of board you are riding and the style or riding you are trying for. The great american shaper Rennie Yater,was a genius at intergrating rail foil and planshape.Dean thanks for your thoughts on your sups ,i really love surfboard design discussions,i hope to get an opportunity to try one of yours.cheers.
Tux said...

Good article on rails here.... http://www.tomwegenersurfboards.com/html/rails.html
my understanding is the more rounded the rail the more forgiving.....foil will give different edge characteristics depending on foot placement etc.......


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28 Sep 2009 12:09pm
LSD said...

daletor said...

Another great video Phil. Keep up the great work BUT I do hope you are back in the water before long.

Dale


Any surf were you are Dale?
Still crap here, wind is down to 25knts swell was up to 10 m on the buoy 2 nights ago. May be ok for a kite in a few hours.
When I sealed my new board yesterday it was getting tiny black specs of dust on it...? I couldnt work out were it was comming from? then I realised it must have come out of the Anglesea coal mine 3 ks away, up wind




No surf where I am stuck in the middle of Brisbane. Nice temperature though! Back home late Tuesday night. Was it big on the weekend?
Dale
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Saturday was maybe 2ft and gutless, Sunday was just stormy and onshore

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