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Adapt
Adapt
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26 Dec 2012 6:25pm
As the silly season is here and I've noticed posts on near misses and the rest, I thought it was a good time to put this out there. This is the closest surf etiquette guide I could find as I wasn't able to upload the Surfing Australia Coach version. I'm sure we can all relate to this.

Rule #1: Right of Way


The surfer closest to the peak of the wave has the right of way. This means if you're paddling for a right, and a surfer on your left is also paddling for it, you must yield to him or her. There are a couple variations to this rule:

If someone is up riding a wave, don't attempt a late takeoff between the curl/whitewater and the surfer. If the surfer who's riding the wave wants to make a cutback she'll run right into you.

Just because the whitewater catches up to a surfer riding a wave doesn't give you permission to take off down the line. Many talented surfers can outrun the section and get back to the face of the wave.

A-Frames or Split Peaks: If two surfers are on either side of the peak, they each have the right of way to take off on their respective sides. It's not generally accepted to take off behind the peak unless there's nobody on the other side. These surfers should split the peak and go opposite ways.

If a surfer riding a wave gets closed out with an impossible section or wipes out, the next surfer down the line can take off. If you're a very new beginner I'd hold off on doing this anyway until you have a bit more experience.

If a wave is breaking towards itself (a closeout) and two surfers are taking off at each other, yes both have the right of way but this is a perilous situation and it's advisable to kick out early to avoid a collision.



Rule #2: Don't Drop In

This is related to Rule #1. This is probably the most important part of surfing etiquette. Dropping in means that someone with the right of way is either about to take off on a wave or is already riding a wave, and you also take off on the same wave in front of him or her. This blocks his ride down the line, and is extremely annoying, not to mention dangerous. If you are tempted to drop in remember this: no matter how good the wave is, if you drop in on someone you'll feel like crap, the other surfer will be pissed, and the wave will be ruined for everyone.

Rule #3: Paddling Rules:

Some common sense surfing etiquette rules that people don't seem to realize are important. Don't paddle straight through the heart of the lineup where people are surfing. Paddle out through the channel where the waves aren't breaking and people aren't surfing. Sometimes at spread out beach breaks this is hard, but usually there is a less crowded area to paddle through.


When paddling back out, do NOT paddle in front of someone riding a wave unless you're well, well in front of him. You must paddle behind those who are up and riding and take the whitewater hit or duckdive. You'll appreciate this the next time you're up on a wave.

Sometimes you'll just end up in a bad spot and won't be able to paddle behind a surfer. It's your responsibility to speed paddle to get over the wave and out of his or her way. If you don't do this, he or she might just run you over!

Rule #4: Don't Ditch Your Board

This is important, especially when it gets crowded. Always try to maintain control and contact with your board. Surfboards are large, heavy, and hard. If you let your board go flying around, it is going to eventually clock someone in the head. This means if you're paddling out and a wall of whitewater is coming, you don't have permission to just throw your board away and dive under. If you throw your board and there is someone paddling out behind you, there is going to be carnage. This is a hard rule for beginners, but if you manage to avoid picking up the habit of throwing your board you will be a MUCH better surfer.

Rule #5: Don't Snake

“Snaking” is when a surfer paddles around another surfer in order position himself to get the right of way for a wave. He is effectively making a big “S” around a fellow surfer. While not immediately hazardous to your health, this is incredibly annoying. You can't cut the lineup. Patiently wait your turn. Wave hogs don't get respect in the water. Also, being a local doesn't give you permission to ruthlessly snake visitors who are being polite. If they're not being polite, well…

Rule #6: Beginners: don't paddle out to the middle of a packed lineup.

This is kind of open to interpretation, but it still stands: if you're a beginner you should try to avoid paddling out into the middle of a pack of experienced veterans. Try to go out to a less crowded beginner break. You'll know you're in the wrong spot if you get the stink-eye!

Rule #7: Don't be a wave hog.

Just because you can catch all the waves doesn't mean you should. This generally applies to longboarders, kayakers, or stand up paddlers. Since it's easier to catch waves on these watercraft, it becomes tempting to catch them all, leaving nothing for shortboarders on the inside. Give a wave, get a wave.

Rule #8: Respect the beach

Don't litter. Simple as that. Pick up your trash, and try to pick up a few pieces of trash before you leave even if it's not yours.

Rule #9: Drive responsibly

The locals who live in the residential areas near the beach deserve your respect. Don't speed or drive recklessly.

Rule #10: If you mess up

Nobody really mentions this in surfing etiquette lists, but if you mess up and accidentally drop in or mess up someone's wave, a quick apology is appreciated, and goes a long way to reducing tension in crowded lineups. You don't have to grovel at their feet (well, unless you did something horrible). Honestly, if you drop in on someone and then ignore them, it's pretty stupid.
* * *

This might seem like a lot of stuff to remember, but in time it will become second nature. Most surfing etiquette rules are common sense anyway.

(Taken from www.surfinghandbook.com/knowledge/surfing-etiquette/ Hope they don't mind that I've posted this, as I think it gets the message across well)
surfershaneA
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26 Dec 2012 4:42pm
"It's not generally accepted to take off behind the peak unless there's nobody on the other side. These surfers should split the peak and go opposite ways."

Unless you are an experienced surfer trying to backdoor a tube or at least surfing deep instead of hanging on the shoulder like a ****?

"If a surfer riding a wave gets closed out with an impossible section or wipes out, the next surfer down the line can take off."

However, as stated elsewhere in the "rules",experienced surfers can make some extreme sections especially when they are in the tube. Believing they might not make it is no excuse to burn them! The experienced surfer might have waited a long time to get that deep in the tube. When you go over the falls and take them out an apology may NOT be a satisfactory response.

No wonder good deep surfing and tube-riding are dying arts?
Ioz
Ioz
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26 Dec 2012 4:47pm
I would like to add,

ideally it is better to try to sup away from your std surfers and go to another surf break if possible,

but this is not always possible so if you having a sesh with other surfers try to give them some space,

if you can, 20ft is about right and they will immediatly feel more comfortable with you around.

surfer hate being to close to suppers and it can create a bad vibe.

hopfully they can catch a set before you take your turn in the line up, spreading everyone out nicely.
husq2100
husq2100
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26 Dec 2012 7:26pm
Rule #3: Paddling Rules:

Some common sense surfing etiquette rules that people don't seem to realize are important. Don't paddle straight through the heart of the lineup where people are surfing. Paddle out through the channel where the waves aren't breaking and people aren't surfing. Sometimes at spread out beach breaks this is hard, but usually there is a less crowded area to paddle through.


When paddling back out, do NOT paddle in front of someone riding a wave unless you're well, well in front of him. You must paddle behind those who are up and riding and take the whitewater hit or duckdive. You'll appreciate this the next time you're up on a wave.

Sometimes you'll just end up in a bad spot and won't be able to paddle behind a surfer. It's your responsibility to speed paddle to get over the wave and out of his or her way. If you don't do this, he or she might just run you over!


nah mate, you got it all wrong, its the guy/girl on the wave that has to give way to the guy/girl paddling out..............
AndyR
AndyR
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26 Dec 2012 7:27pm
This is real helpful for me as I don't have much experience surfing in crowds and none at all on a stand up.
Can I ask the question,
"What happens when you are out at a break by urself or with a couple mates on sups and then short boarders come along and join the line up,
A- should the sup riders move on to another spot (especially someone like me with minimal surf experience and even less stand up experience )
Or B- do I have the right to stay as I was out first??




byronmaui
byronmaui
448 posts
448 posts
26 Dec 2012 5:29pm
Personal tips:

1) Sit down and don't always stand up while waiting for waves
2) Let the first few waves of a set pass by. This usually clears most of the lineup or puts people out of position. Most people are greedy and chase the earlier waves.
3) Congratulate people on good rides. The ocean is a playground and people like compliments.
4) Always use the channel or paddle wide to get back out to the main peak.
5) Apologize if you drop in or messed someone's wave up by mistake. Most people accept this and if they don't then that's their problem.
6) Always have fun and if you get hassled for SUPing play deaf and use sign language. Most times people will stop.
7) Only leave the water on your terms.

Just some other tips besides the above posts.

Mahalo
husq2100
husq2100
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26 Dec 2012 7:32pm
AndyR said...
This is real helpful for me as I don't have much experience surfing in crowds and none at all on a stand up.
Can I ask the question,
"What happens when you are out at a break by urself or with a couple mates on sups and then short boarders come along and join the line up,
A- should the sup riders move on to another spot (especially someone like me with minimal surf experience and even less stand up experience )
Or B- do I have the right to stay as I was out first??







IMO, I would say you have the right to stay there, BUT, if you are new and not so good, you have to be aware of your limitations and the dangers you may impose on others with our big SUP and longer leggies.

For me, there are times I just dont feel comfortable staying in a crowded spot and dont want to risk hurting someone or their gear....if its a tricky wave, even paddling out can mean wrecking someones line or making the waves break earlier down the line....

In todays society it may not seem fair, but the old school way of doing it is a good thing....IE just because you can fumble your way out into a popular point break and stand in the middle of the pack doesnt mean you should.

AndyR
AndyR
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26 Dec 2012 8:22pm
Yeah that makes plenty of sense to me, I won't be out at any popular breaks for a long time to come until I feel really confident and on a shorter board also.
For now ill be sticking to my flat water runs and small quiet beach stuff on quiet days away from anyone as I wouldn't want to make anyone falling off a ripping wave because they are laughing so hard over my unco riding ability but its good to know what the general rules are cheers
labomba
labomba
WA
3 posts
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27 Dec 2012 3:28am
husq2100 said...
Rule #3: Paddling Rules:

Some common sense surfing etiquette rules that people don't seem to realize are important. Don't paddle straight through the heart of the lineup where people are surfing. Paddle out through the channel where the waves aren't breaking and people aren't surfing. Sometimes at spread out beach breaks this is hard, but usually there is a less crowded area to paddle through.


When paddling back out, do NOT paddle in front of someone riding a wave unless you're well, well in front of him. You must paddle behind those who are up and riding and take the whitewater hit or duckdive. You'll appreciate this the next time you're up on a wave.

Sometimes you'll just end up in a bad spot and won't be able to paddle behind a surfer. It's your responsibility to speed paddle to get over the wave and out of his or her way. If you don't do this, he or she might just run you over!


nah mate, you got it all wrong, its the guy/girl on the wave that has to give way to the guy/girl paddling out..............


I am hoping you are joking with your quote.
labomba
labomba
WA
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27 Dec 2012 3:32am
surfershaneA said...
"It's not generally accepted to take off behind the peak unless there's nobody on the other side. These surfers should split the peak and go opposite ways."

Unless you are an experienced surfer trying to backdoor a tube or at least surfing deep instead of hanging on the shoulder like a ****?

"If a surfer riding a wave gets closed out with an impossible section or wipes out, the next surfer down the line can take off."

However, as stated elsewhere in the "rules",experienced surfers can make some extreme sections especially when they are in the tube. Believing they might not make it is no excuse to burn them! The experienced surfer might have waited a long time to get that deep in the tube. When you go over the falls and take them out an apology may NOT be a satisfactory response.

No wonder good deep surfing and tube-riding are dying arts?


You probably think snaking is alright as well fig jam
husq2100
husq2100
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2031 posts
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27 Dec 2012 10:26am
labomba said...
husq2100 said...
Rule #3: Paddling Rules:

Some common sense surfing etiquette rules that people don't seem to realize are important. Don't paddle straight through the heart of the lineup where people are surfing. Paddle out through the channel where the waves aren't breaking and people aren't surfing. Sometimes at spread out beach breaks this is hard, but usually there is a less crowded area to paddle through.


When paddling back out, do NOT paddle in front of someone riding a wave unless you're well, well in front of him. You must paddle behind those who are up and riding and take the whitewater hit or duckdive. You'll appreciate this the next time you're up on a wave.

Sometimes you'll just end up in a bad spot and won't be able to paddle behind a surfer. It's your responsibility to speed paddle to get over the wave and out of his or her way. If you don't do this, he or she might just run you over!


nah mate, you got it all wrong, its the guy/girl on the wave that has to give way to the guy/girl paddling out..............


I am hoping you are joking with your quote.


Yes I was being sarcastic.....but unfortunately some here actually think this the case.

shimmyshazbo
shimmyshazbo
QLD
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27 Dec 2012 1:11pm
if you are surfing any of the gold coast points the above rules do not apply.
surfershaneA
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27 Dec 2012 2:35pm
labomba said...
surfershaneA said...
"It's not generally accepted to take off behind the peak unless there's nobody on the other side. These surfers should split the peak and go opposite ways."

Unless you are an experienced surfer trying to backdoor a tube or at least surfing deep instead of hanging on the shoulder like a ****?

"If a surfer riding a wave gets closed out with an impossible section or wipes out, the next surfer down the line can take off."

However, as stated elsewhere in the "rules",experienced surfers can make some extreme sections especially when they are in
the tube. Believing they might not make it is no excuse to burn them! The experienced surfer might have waited a long time to get that deep in the tube. When you go over the falls and take them out an apology may NOT be a satisfactory response.

No wonder good deep surfing and tube-riding are dying arts?


You probably think snaking is alright as well fig jam


No, actually I have had some major issues with f#ckwits snaking over the last week. The latest incident started when I let a less experienced surfer inside of me have a top wave. I had earlier dropped in on this guy on a wave where there was enough room for us both. He took it well so I let him have a go on what really was one of the better waves of the day. See what happens when you are polite?

So guess what, a couple of the wannabe local crew paddle around me - snaking - abusing me for not dropping in on the "kook". Now this did piss me off and I was happy to tell them so! Just to prove how hypocritical one of the tools was I did a perfect drop in behind him on a really nice wave. Of course he responded with an exploding head. Oh, another good point is if you start snaking experienced surfers expect to get it back ten-fold.

Then when you have been surfing as long as me positioning becomes second nature. There is no need to snake! Kind of explains why this day I was riding a 5' 10"?

Still, if you want to be impolite expect to get it back. I note, I also have a quiver of SUPs and old mals for when things get thick. However, have some respect for older and more experienced surfers and you will share in the good karma!

62mac
62mac
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27 Dec 2012 2:56pm
This topic is so 80's
surfershaneA
surfershaneA
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27 Dec 2012 3:09pm
62mac said...
This topic is so 80's


Yes, like my shortboard surfing "style"! Still, I am happy to have one. Most people these days don't have a clue!
62mac
62mac
WA
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27 Dec 2012 5:17pm
Yep a lot of air Jordan's around today.

Back on topic,one word sorts the whole Etiquette issue for all!

RESPECT.
DunkO
DunkO
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27 Dec 2012 8:19pm
Ioz said...
I would like to add,

ideally it is better to try to sup away from your std surfers and go to another surf break if possible,

but this is not always possible so if you having a sesh with other surfers try to give them some space,

if you can, 20ft is about right and they will immediatly feel more comfortable with you around.

surfer hate being to close to suppers and it can create a bad vibe.

hopfully they can catch a set before you take your turn in the line up, spreading everyone out nicely.


Glad you mentioned this...

I have recently purchased a sup but always been a surfer.

On more than one occasion I have been duck diving and copped a sup on the melon, once badly. Problem is they can not duck dive and maintain controll like someone riding a surfboard when the surf is decent.

My opinion if the surfs up and there are surfers best to go elsewhere with the sups. Saying sorry only goes so far. If there is ever a good reason for surf rage, it's getting your head split open by someone runaway plank.
62mac
62mac
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27 Dec 2012 5:27pm
DunkO said...


My opinion if the surfs up and there are surfers best to go elsewhere with the sups. Saying sorry only goes so far. If there is ever a good reason for surf rage, it's getting your head split open by someone runaway plank.


Nah its a free ocean for all to use.

I reckon one of those clubbie paddle board handles will sort your issue out,can't make it over the wave,jump off grab the handle you will be just like any other surfer in the water when copping one on the head.
DunkO
DunkO
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27 Dec 2012 8:40pm
62mac said...
DunkO said...


My opinion if the surfs up and there are surfers best to go elsewhere with the sups. Saying sorry only goes so far. If there is ever a good reason for surf rage, it's getting your head split open by someone runaway plank.


Nah its a free ocean for all to use.

I reckon one of those clubbie paddle board handles will sort your issue out,can't make it over the wave,jump off grab the handle you will be just like any other surfer in the water when copping one on the head.


I agree to a point, as I windsurf and sometimes you are sharing the waves.

But after twenty years of surfing I have never been injured from another surfer ( once from a surf boat oar), on my first surf with a stand up in the line up at catherine hill bay I split my head on a board after the bloke fell of trying to go over somewhere wash about 10m in front of me.the board just dragged untill it hit me. He just turned said sorry and paddled off. So my opinion on them stands.
DunkO
DunkO
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27 Dec 2012 8:44pm
Mind you if you paddle out before anyone else is surfing the break and then surfers join you, I feel you have some rights to keep surfing the break.
Adapt
Adapt
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27 Dec 2012 9:45pm
Common sense prevails, but if your out surfing any craft on a peak first and someone paddles out then they have decided to run the risk to surf with you.
Greenroom
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28 Dec 2012 12:11am
When paddling back out, do NOT paddle in front of someone riding a wave unless you're well, well in front of him. You must paddle behind those who are up and riding and take the whitewater hit or duckdive. You'll appreciate this the next time you're up on a wave.

If only the blow ins at my local would adhere to this rule
brusier
brusier
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192 posts
28 Dec 2012 4:46am
DunkO said...
Mind you if you paddle out before anyone else is surfing the break and then surfers join you, I feel you have some rights to keep surfing the break.


Of course you do. I don't like it when surfers get too close and if they want to tangle with a carbon fibre paddle then good luck to them.
husq2100
husq2100
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28 Dec 2012 8:31am
More red please
Scotty88
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28 Dec 2012 7:08am
I thought etiquette was knowing which knife and fork to start with at the dinner table. I always get confused at weddings knowing do I start from the inside cutlery or from the outside. The old man used to tear strips out of me for resting my elbows on the table "Scotty, for Christ's sake get those elbows off the table. "Dad, that's so 1950's".
thePup
thePup
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28 Dec 2012 7:11am
Scotty88 said...
I thought etiquette was knowing which knife and fork to start with at the dinner table. I always get confused at weddings knowing do I start from the inside cutlery or from the outside. The old man used to tear strips out of me for resting my elbows on the table "Scotty, for Christ's sake get those elbows off the table. "Dad, that's so 1950's".


geez I see it's Australia wide , I used to get bollocked for it too mate hahaha
GizzieNZ
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28 Dec 2012 7:22am
DunkO said...
Mind you if you paddle out before anyone else is surfing the break and then surfers join you, I feel you have some rights to keep surfing the break.



Totally agree...which is one of the reasons I.m an early morning person...."they can see you are out there so why dont they go somewhere else if they find the situation totally offensive?"
Or be more on to it & be the first person to paddle out themselves of course
husq2100
husq2100
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28 Dec 2012 7:46pm
husq2100 said...
More red please


NOT ENOUGH!!!!!
laceys lane
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28 Dec 2012 7:54pm
husq2100 said...
husq2100 said...
More red please


NOT ENOUGH!!!!!


red is green gold for some
chrispychru
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28 Dec 2012 8:00pm
laceys lane said...
husq2100 said...
husq2100 said...
More red please


NOT ENOUGH!!!!!


red is green gold for some


mmmm what is green gold nom nom
hilly
hilly
WA
8131 posts
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28 Dec 2012 6:28pm
Greenroom said...
When paddling back out, do NOT paddle in front of someone riding a wave unless you're well, well in front of him. You must paddle behind those who are up and riding and take the whitewater hit or duckdive. You'll appreciate this the next time you're up on a wave.

If only the blow ins at my local would adhere to this rule


The most annoying breech of proticol possible[}:)]

On a better note good waves today. Even got compliments from the stink eye crew

No serious barrel though so you are one up on me greeny. Back down soon
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