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surfer73
surfer73
QLD
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17 Aug 2014 8:14am
How long is acceptable to get a custom sup made? 1,2,3,4......months! Australian made and local.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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17 Aug 2014 8:52am
surfer73 said..
How long is acceptable to get a custom sup made? 1,2,3,4......months! Australian made and local.


I had a local custom sup made and it took about two weeks.

I'm thinking it should not not normally take more than a month.
surfer73
surfer73
QLD
7 posts
QLD, 7 posts
17 Aug 2014 9:04am
Im now looking at 4 months from time I placed order, and still no board. Just thought I'd get some feedback from those in the know about sups.
jaydub1973
jaydub1973
QLD
156 posts
QLD, 156 posts
17 Aug 2014 7:54pm
I think Tully at Laguna Bay took from 4 to 6 weeks and he is a busy man. 4 months is crazy.
surfer73
surfer73
QLD
7 posts
QLD, 7 posts
17 Aug 2014 8:18pm
Yeah I'm starting to get a fair idea of what is not acceptable. And 'crazy' is putting it mildly.
stimo
stimo
WA
874 posts
WA, 874 posts
17 Aug 2014 6:58pm
3to5weeks they haven't lost your order by any chance did you have to put down a deposit ?
surfer73
surfer73
QLD
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QLD, 7 posts
17 Aug 2014 9:05pm
Yeah deposit paid and about to take action to retrieve it. Ive heard enough excuses, im a reasonable person but enough is enough now. I've since heard there is a history of this happening with the same business.
rockmagnet
rockmagnet
QLD
1458 posts
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17 Aug 2014 9:21pm
I know you are not allowed on Seabreeze but maybe it's the time for an exception for you to name and shame.
Sailhack
Sailhack
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5000 posts
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18 Aug 2014 3:05pm
How long??? Depending how good the surf is where your shaper lives.


Your question warrants a few more questions before getting too critical...

1. Is the board coming from a registered (and professional) business that specialises in custom boards? (if yes - most of questions below prob aren't relevant and I'd be a bit peeved too!)

2. Was a timeline discussed with you when you placed the order?


If your answer to Q1 is no;

3. Do they know what they are doing? (ie; not just 'a guy' that says he will shape you a board)?

4. How good is the shaper? (it might be worth the wait, or he may have a ridiculous amount of orders to get through & is struggling, but too 'proud' to tell his clients)

& 5. Does the money the shaper makes rely heavily on WOM advertising? If so - threaten to name/shame.

My first custom took a few weeks longer than I was told - including a 300km trip (with the wife!) to stay overnight & get it wet (the board) I even called 2 days beforehand and was told, "all good - it will be ready", only to turn up on the day with a mate, whom also was told/expecting a finished board and found that the business owner had gone away for the weekend and the board wasn't ready!

Got offered 2 boards to take out for the afternoon by his guy in the shop (another surfer who could tell we were fuming) to keep the peace & the owner drove half way to meet us the following week to hand over the finished boards - so ended up with 2 happy customers in the end...the boards were worth the wait!



I have another custom in the pipeline atm from another shaper (deposit paid also)...I'm being looked after with price, shaper's knowledge and years of experience - so I'll just wait until I hear that it's ready I guess. I know the finished stick will be awesome!!! I'm happy to wait until it is ready as per agreement, although I am frothing to get it & throw it around in some waves asap! (in case he reads this)
stehar
stehar
NSW
598 posts
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18 Aug 2014 4:03pm
surfer73 said..
How long is acceptable to get a custom sup made? 1,2,3,4......months! Australian made and local.


Not the Sawtell factory near Coffs Harbour? - fairdinkum or fairweather business person? My unfortunate experience (no board - no money back after 5 months) led me to believe the second option is correct! Was helped out by one of his business associates or would have lost out.
Steve
Kami
Kami
1566 posts
1566 posts
18 Aug 2014 2:04pm
Can be an integrist shortfboard shaper who hate SUP, keeping the money and laughing about it
surfer73
surfer73
QLD
7 posts
QLD, 7 posts
19 Aug 2014 8:52pm
stehar said...
surfer73 said..
How long is acceptable to get a custom sup made? 1,2,3,4......months! Australian made and local.


Not the Sawtell factory near Coffs Harbour? - fairdinkum or fairweather business person? My unfortunate experience (no board - no money back after 5 months) led me to believe the second option is correct! Was helped out by one of his business associates or would have lost out.
Steve


Nailed it Steve. Spot on!
makntracks
makntracks
QLD
132 posts
QLD, 132 posts
19 Aug 2014 10:35pm
where is this place so i know where to avoid for my next custom job...
surfer73
surfer73
QLD
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20 Aug 2014 1:41am
makntracks said...
where is this place so i know where to avoid for my next custom job...


Sawtell is a small town approx 10-12 km south of Coffs Harbour, NSW.
herby60
herby60
NSW
20 posts
NSW, 20 posts
24 Aug 2014 8:55pm
No more than a month tops & that's being patient
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
QLD, 2031 posts
25 Aug 2014 9:29am
A month maybe if you're shaper isnt busy....

Best service I have had is when they listen, take written notes. Invite you to see the shaped blank before glassing, quote a time frame and stick to it(to the day!) Get the colours right and stick to the quoted price....seems simple doesnt it yet even some big names cant get half of those right....
makntracks
makntracks
QLD
132 posts
QLD, 132 posts
11 Sep 2014 5:48pm
Howd you go Surfer73.

surfer73
surfer73
QLD
7 posts
QLD, 7 posts
11 Sep 2014 10:05pm
Action being taken. Will never recommend this guy to anyone. Its why people steer clear of aussie shapers, a very poor example of a person too.
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
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12 Sep 2014 7:26am
And this is what is piss weak about the internet. You are not allowed to name them to warn others but they can still pimp their wears. ....
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
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12 Sep 2014 9:40am
surfer73 said..
Action being taken. Will never recommend this guy to anyone. Its why people steer clear of aussie shapers, a very poor example of a person too.


Don't bundle all shapers together in your (justifiable) anger S73, there are some great guys out there that look after us with their knowledge and shaping/glassing skills that don't deserve to be thrown in the same category as your old mate. Sorry to hear about your experience and I hope that you get some good out of the whole ordeal so that you can get back to enjoying the waves.
Funnsurfn
Funnsurfn
NSW
310 posts
NSW, 310 posts
12 Sep 2014 1:10pm
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Just not good enough!
However, Australia has an amazing pool of shaping talent and Dan of DTM Custom Sup designs fantastic Sups. I would not hesitate recommending him.
Delivery time can always vary for all shapers for many reasons sometimes out of their control. Life is pretty focused on instant gratification these days. I guess why so many ride production boards.
When your frothing on a new stick it is hard to enjoy the wait but so worth it when you get a sick new stick.
If you get a good relationship going with a shaper who is able to tweak a board as your wants and needs change the best outcomes occur. Also keeping jobs and your money local.
Macaha
Macaha
QLD
21982 posts
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12 Sep 2014 1:44pm
Wise man once said,if your going to screw around do so, BUT NOT in your own backyard.

Australia is a very small place
Supdog
Supdog
NSW
18 posts
NSW, 18 posts
12 Sep 2014 4:55pm
There is far to much protection for these people/ businesses who do the wrong thing.
These Forums should exist to advise,educate, and arse kick if need be.
If your a shop or a shaper or just a grub and you wrong someone we should all know to avoid someone else getting bitten by you.
These forums seem to praise publicly and hide the crap,to bad for the next poor bugger who drops his hard earned cash with this guy and ends up 5 months later with no board.
We can all sleep better knowing his ID is protected.
stehar
stehar
NSW
598 posts
NSW, 598 posts
12 Sep 2014 5:05pm
He surfs at Arrawarra most of the time on a very short board he made from leftovers ( in his spare time ), that is, when he could of been doing clients orders. Rang him one day to see how the board was going and was told -- am sick and cannot work today so do not come round! Went for a surf at Arrawarra an hour later and guess who was out there ripping - poor sick thing.
NOT FAIR DINKUM AT ALL
Jradedmondo
Jradedmondo
NSW
637 posts
NSW, 637 posts
12 Sep 2014 5:37pm
you do have to say that due to adverse circumstances that some times **** can happen in the manufacturing of products, my longboard shaper just had something happen where it took him an extra six weeks to get extra blanks in some manufacturing issue etc, this was a once off but in your case it sounds like he has done it to a few people at least,

Hopefully you will get it sorted and get your money back, i highly recommend custom boards and don't let this throw you off, if you still want a custom i highly recommend DTM (as i've had one of his boards), but there are a few other shapers on the east coast that are pumping out great boards like Deep, DC, Laguna Bay,
hopefully you'll get something you like and get out on the water

Jarryd
boardbumps
boardbumps
NSW
698 posts
NSW, 698 posts
12 Sep 2014 5:44pm
Yes thats me Rod Hocker/Boardbumps.

A semi retired board maker who works entirely by himself.

Has a bad back, psoriasis, a totally wrecked right arm from to many years of manual labour from board building.

60 years old this year. Some days I just don't want to / can't go to work as my body needs a rest.

I have too much work too do all the time, a victim of how good my boards perform.

I distinctly remember letting Dena (surfer73) know at Currumbin that I would be late as I was very busy, and that I would gladly make her a board but she had to be patient with me.

I always let new customers know that I take along time and will be late with my orders even though I try not to be. I can only make around 35 boards a year by myself and I do a lot of RnD into SUP design, this also slows me down and takes a lot of my time.

Steve Harper (stehar) I still have that abusive phone call you left me on message bank after two weeks of waiting for your paddles, even tho I told you up front that I would not be starting them for three weeks as I was very busy. Oh and Steve what about that board that I let you borrow while waiting for your new board, you remember the one that you refused to give back to me, I hate to mention the word stole from me , as you finally returned it after 10 months of borrowing it, because I was 2 weeks late in starting your board after I had delivered your paddles on time.


So yes I am guilty of being very late in making and delivering boards, funny thing is that only 3 people now have spat the dummy at my late delivery of boards and have been very very spiteful, you shuold see some of the texts that I have saved from Surfer 73.

I don't go out of my way to antagonise anyone I just go to work and work at my own pace as a semi retired SUP builder and build boards.

My best regards to everyone who has supported me and continue to support me and who in the future will support me.

Rod Hocker
firstpoint
firstpoint
QLD
613 posts
QLD, 613 posts
12 Sep 2014 6:18pm
its worth the wait for the best custom sup in the country,annie and me have had 5 boards each over the time we have been on customs,had to wait for a couple but we got what we wanted and got the most progressive board out there.go and talk to him face to face.surfer73,
ps not sponsored we pay the same as everyone and they are still worth the wait
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
QLD, 2031 posts
12 Sep 2014 7:16pm
boardbumps said...
Yes thats me Rod Hocker/Boardbumps.

A semi retired board maker who works entirely by himself.

Has a bad back, psoriasis, a totally wrecked right arm from to many years of manual labour from board building.

60 years old this year. Some days I just don't want to / can't go to work as my body needs a rest.

I have too much work too do all the time, a victim of how good my boards perform.

I distinctly remember letting Dena (surfer73) know at Currumbin that I would be late as I was very busy, and that I would gladly make her a board but she had to be patient with me.

I always let new customers know that I take along time and will be late with my orders even though I try not to be. I can only make around 35 boards a year by myself and I do a lot of RnD into SUP design, this also slows me down and takes a lot of my time.

Steve Harper (stehar) I still have that abusive phone call you left me on message bank after two weeks of waiting for your paddles, even tho I told you up front that I would not be starting them for three weeks as I was very busy. Oh and Steve what about that board that I let you borrow while waiting for your new board, you remember the one that you refused to give back to me, I hate to mention the word stole from me , as you finally returned it after 10 months of borrowing it, because I was 2 weeks late in starting your board after I had delivered your paddles on time.


So yes I am guilty of being very late in making and delivering boards, funny thing is that only 3 people now have spat the dummy at my late delivery of boards and have been very very spiteful, you shuold see some of the texts that I have saved from Surfer 73.

I don't go out of my way to antagonise anyone I just go to work and work at my own pace as a semi retired SUP builder and build boards.

My best regards to everyone who has supported me and continue to support me and who in the future will support me.

Rod Hocker


Hang on..... ill just dust of my violin
stehar
stehar
NSW
598 posts
NSW, 598 posts
12 Sep 2014 7:41pm
Rod -- you did not tell any of that to me when I ordered the paddles and board from you - I thought you were a fair dinkum board shaper like the ones I have used in the past ( Outer Islands, Nirvana, Laguna Bay -- all four weeks) -THAT WAS THE IMPRESSION YOU GAVE - a professional shaper, not a semi retired person doing it part time when your ailments let you
-
I do not think you are out to rip people off deliberately , but YOU DO , because clients have to wait months for an order to be filled.

This is partly because you are a good surfer and I believe that your business is something you use to fill in time when the surf is poor !

Steve ps stand by everything I said in the phone call at that particular time - have mellowed since.

Probably see you in the surf over the years as I have moved to Arrawarra Headland - I'll say hello and keep paddling, hope you do the same, forgive and forget is the way to go, I will try and do this out in the water if I see you
chrispy
chrispy
WA
9675 posts
WA, 9675 posts
12 Sep 2014 6:31pm
husq2100 said...
boardbumps said...
Yes thats me Rod Hocker/Boardbumps.

A semi retired board maker who works entirely by himself.

Has a bad back, psoriasis, a totally wrecked right arm from to many years of manual labour from board building.

60 years old this year. Some days I just don't want to / can't go to work as my body needs a rest.

I have too much work too do all the time, a victim of how good my boards perform.

I distinctly remember letting Dena (surfer73) know at Currumbin that I would be late as I was very busy, and that I would gladly make her a board but she had to be patient with me.

I always let new customers know that I take along time and will be late with my orders even though I try not to be. I can only make around 35 boards a year by myself and I do a lot of RnD into SUP design, this also slows me down and takes a lot of my time.

Steve Harper (stehar) I still have that abusive phone call you left me on message bank after two weeks of waiting for your paddles, even tho I told you up front that I would not be starting them for three weeks as I was very busy. Oh and Steve what about that board that I let you borrow while waiting for your new board, you remember the one that you refused to give back to me, I hate to mention the word stole from me , as you finally returned it after 10 months of borrowing it, because I was 2 weeks late in starting your board after I had delivered your paddles on time.


So yes I am guilty of being very late in making and delivering boards, funny thing is that only 3 people now have spat the dummy at my late delivery of boards and have been very very spiteful, you shuold see some of the texts that I have saved from Surfer 73.

I don't go out of my way to antagonise anyone I just go to work and work at my own pace as a semi retired SUP builder and build boards.

My best regards to everyone who has supported me and continue to support me and who in the future will support me.

Rod Hocker


Hang on..... ill just dust of my violin


**** the violin,if I waited that long it would be a baseball bat. So many excuses
Sparx
Sparx
VIC
734 posts
VIC, 734 posts
13 Sep 2014 2:25am
stehar said..
Rod -- you did not tell any of that to me when I ordered the paddles and board from you - I thought you were a fair dinkum board shaper like the ones I have used in the past ( Outer Islands, Nirvana, Laguna Bay -- all four weeks) -THAT WAS THE IMPRESSION YOU GAVE - a professional shaper, not a semi retired person doing it part time when your ailments let you
-
I do not think you are out to rip people off deliberately , but YOU DO , because clients have to wait months for an order to be filled.

This is partly because you are a good surfer and I believe that your business is something you use to fill in time when the surf is poor !

Steve ps stand by everything I said in the phone call at that particular time - have mellowed since.

Probably see you in the surf over the years as I have moved to Arrawarra Headland - I'll say hello and keep paddling, hope you do the same, forgive and forget is the way to go, I will try and do this out in the water if I see you



Pretty hard to defend the indefensible....but here go's
I first became aware of Rod through this forum some years ago...his boards were at the time light years ahead of what was happening on the pop out scene and his work with paddles was inspirational.
I think I still have a photo of one of Rods hand crafted balsa paddles in my favorites file and his how to photo essay inspired me to get off my ass and have a crack myself.
The resulting paddle, constructed from cedar and balsa has been a source of joy...heavy as all crap... but jeez it looks good!! Has been hanging on the loungeroom wall since.
The board, deposit payed and custom ordered never arrived despite months of one way email correspondence, and like you guys i was pretty angry about the whole process.
The detailed CAD program file that Rod forwarded me was the basis for the first board that I had shaped by my curent local supplier. In short, the failure to produce forced me to find a guy less than ten minutes from my front door who could supply the same product without the dramas. Eight boards later and dropping from 8.8 to 7.4 I could not be happier with my surfer, shaper relationship.
After a considerable amount of time I was admittedly suprised when my deposit was refunded. Pretty much had written Rod off as a shonk.
For what its worth, this is my take on the situation...Rod is a talented, passionate creator of unique hand crafted, cutting edge surf craft. However, he has real dramas delivering product in a timely fashion for whatever reasons...I wish it wasnt so...but it is.
I also believe that at heart he is, as he described himself to me, an "Aussie Battler" who at times finds himself for whatever reasons, under the pump and unable to deliver on time.
I hope you guys all end up with a satisfactory conclusion to your "custom board" experience. Unfortunately it might mean taking the things you have learned from what has been a negative experience and, as I did, turn it into a positive.
Cheers
Sparx
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