G’day All
Today’s discussion is:- sub 5 minute Downwind kilometres. If conditions are good with the right SWELL DIRECTION & with say 20 knots + WIND anybody, yes anybody can do sub 5 minutes a kilometre. If you know how to read the ocean and stay in the trough or riding the back of a trough while surfing the ocean swell for as long as you can, you can easily catch runners for 200+ metres so it can be quite easy to do sub 5 minutes a kilometre. I was talking with Paul Jackson today about this subject & he agrees. Like last Monday afternoon conditions were: Windy conditions with choppy seas. Small craft advisory. Moderate short period wind waves. Winds: South 17 to 23 knots Seas: South 8 feet at 8 sec. & Jacko told me he was getting runners for 500 metres. I’ve only been doing SUP Downwind paddling since November 2007 & yes whenever the wind is up I put my surfboard away & grab my F-16. People say Phil’s training again but I’m doing it because its BULK FUN & I’m always trying to better myself on how to catch runners so I can go Downwind as fast as I can. Last November conditions were nuking 20-25 knot NNE Wind with a 3-4ft North Swell. Paul Jackson rings me up “Phil lets go for a Downwind Paddle from the Spit to inside Currumbin Alley = 23kms” I said “Jacko I can’t mate- I’m working” (spew bulk ) so I’m sitting in the Lifeguard Tower looking through the binoculars & here comes Jacko on his 17ft Naish he was flying out there getting some bulls##t runners, so I phoned him a couple hours later & asked Jacko “how was it he said it was ALL TIME only took me 1 hour 43 minutes.” Stoked.
So lets use a calculator shall we. 103 minutes divided by 23 kilometres = 4 minutes 24 seconds a kilometre. that’s way below sub 5 minutes a kilometre. That’s the beauty about paddling with Paul Jackson as he is a WEAPON & if I can stay within 500metres of him I believe I’m doing something right when I Downwind paddle with him.

OK all good now, lets take a look at some more Downwind results:-

Connor Baxter did the Maui to Molokai OC 1 race last Saturday Hawaiian time on a SIC Starboard SUP 14fter in a time of 3 hours 40 minutes again lets use a calculator
27 miles is 43.47 km. 220min divided by 43.47km = 5min a k

The fastest time ever recorded in a race:- Dave’s Maliko race finish on a custom F18 was 1h.06 min. (open ocean in front of gulch to harbour beach)
It is a faster time faster than lots of OC-1 paddlers!
Again lets use the calculator Maliko Gulch is 9.54 miles = 15.35km so 66min divided by 15.35km = 4min 15seconds a k

Here’s a couple more results all Maliko Gulch though:-
Scott Trudon 70min = 4min 28sec a k
Kai Bartlett 71min = 4min 31sec a k
Mark Raaphorst 72min = 4min 35sec a k
Buzzy Kerbox 75min = 4min 44sec a k
I can write at least 20 more SUP’s that can do sub 5min k’s
The fastest Female Andrea Moller 79min = 5min 7sec a k
The list can go on

Ok I’d love to hear your comments on this subject-the beauty about this forum is its better than going fishing I only fish when I go to Indonesia or Fiji. You’re guaranteed 10-30kg GT’s or Wahoo but this forum catches some big brumby fish all the time (too funny). Come on Meahuna you’ve always got something to say on my post you must be an OC 1 paddler you say its impossible to do sub 5 minute k’s. How about you Surfanimal eg dryrail.

Well Phil you called me out, so here we go...

First of all, I NEVER said it was impossible to do sub 5min k's, check my posts. Not my fault to read too much into what I said.

I know its easy to do sub 5min k's, your times for those Maliko runs show that, but....you don't show what the wind/currents/swell was doing. It was probally nuking-alltime-best ever Maliko who nows. Could even been a head wind

The point I was making, and you would agree with me, is that you need Ideal winds/currents/swells to do such times, its NOT impossible.

Winds and swells for the day you were referring to in the post "Seaway to Seaway" were not ideal direction for that course. A south wind when going from Point Danger to the Spit isn't ideal, SSE to SE is better. I know this sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but its true.
A south swell isn't ideal because of the way it fills into the coast. A south swell would be good for a Brunswick - Point Danger paddle or until you get up to the northern end of the coast. Or even somewhere south of Byron.

Thats what I was hinting at in my post, not that was impossible to do 5min k's.

Couple of more things, that nuking day in November last year your talking of, is that the day that dust storm came through that day was outta control!!!

also when your mate did the paddle on monday, how far did he go and what time did he do because thats the day mentioned in the "Seaway to Seaway" post.

I think I covered everything, if I've missed something let me know.

PS. You need to check your math 66min divided by 15.35km = 4.29967min which = 4min 18sec not 4min 15sec. The others are out too.

Because there are 60 seconds in a minute!!!!!

.29967 of a minute so you times that by 60 (ie 60 seconds) to arrive at 17.9802seconds, duh!

I rounded too

Like I said, check your math.

PPS. the other thing I was hinting at in my post in "Seaway to Seaway" was that we are talking about YOU, not Kai Bartlett, Mark Raaphorst or Buzzy Kerbox, who are all excellent paddlers.

If you could beat them on the same run at Maliko (or anywhere for that matter) I'll eat my hat.

meahuna said...

Because there are 60 seconds in a minute!!!!!

.29967 of a minute so you times that by 60 (ie 60 seconds) to arrive at 17.9802seconds, duh!

I rounded too

Like I said, check your math.

PPS. the other thing I was hinting at in my post in "Seaway to Seaway" was that we are talking about YOU, not Kai Bartlett, Mark Raaphorst or Buzzy Kerbox, who are all excellent paddlers.

If you could beat them on the same run at Maliko (or anywhere for that matter) I'll eat my hat.

yes there are 60 seconds in a minute & there are 100 decimales in a calculator so if a calculator say 75 well that = 45 seconds of a clock

There is no way I could ever come close to beating those guys on Maui they are WEAPONS. But you could be a possibility maybe is that why you're dirty on me Olli if thats your name your obviously dirty on me for something I wonder what. Time will tell.

Look phil, all my post (well most of them) have just been a playful jab. I don't know where you got this idea that I'm dirty on you.

My posts which has got you all worked up are;

meahuna said...

wow it looks like some good wind eh

with those winds surely you phil could go sub 2.5 hours
(thats only 5min k's)

if you do, I'd have my money on you for the Salt Race and the Honolua Race

...and maybe Moloka'i eh

Its a joke, your not meant to take it seriously, thats why I have all that silly smiley faces and stuff. And never said it was impossilbe to go sub 5, just the winds for that day it would of been very unlikely.

meahuna said...

Hi Phil, from all these 50km downwind paddles anyone would think that your doing Moloka'i Solo this year

...wind does look good but

This one I have creditable information that this is true, and you are going this year.
But again a joke, because you were trying to keep it a secret, but you went and told someone, who then told me. If you want to keep something a secret don't tell anyone, especially someone in the lifeguard service .

Anything else I've said has been in reply to a post/question you have posted.
For example;

meahuna said...

R u sayin u can do 4min20sec k's as an average pace over say a 10km paddle

..or is that the max u did at one point, say on a runner

...cause if your doing that sort of pace, and can maintain it for a distance, well you'd be 5min behind Danny Ching in the other weekend's OC1 Molokai Race.

hmmm interesting

This is a legitimate question, I'm asking when you did this. If thats the max speed you GPS watch told you you did, then that could of been on a nice runner. I guess what I'm asking, Is that your best Average speed on say a 10km paddle.

Taking the best times on paddles done when the wind is nuking isn't the best way to gauge how good a paddler you are either.

So there, hopefully you realise this are jokes and aren't to be taken seriously.

They were all in the spirit of fun or BULK FUN .

PS. I've wasted too much time already on this topic and this forum so this is my last post and I'm deleting my account. If you want to disscus this more, especially your pace calculations, I'll see you on friday

PPS. Do you first or last lunch