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Is it cool to hate SUP?

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Created by CMC > 9 months ago, 23 Nov 2011
CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:07PM
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Here's one to stir things up a bit.

As a full blown trysexual surfer read: Ride anything and everything I wanted to ask you guys this question.

My question is again, I notice that heaps of you guys are down on SUP riders. Is it just the kooks or SUP in general? What if a guy knows his way around the line up and can do a few turns on them??

Also as someone that would consider themselves a shortboarder exclusively is it just cool amongst the hipsters to hate them? To me a lot of guys I know as well hang it on SUP riders but kind of have no explanation why... Maybe 'cos there all gay' or something.....

So why is it?


P.S Don't hold back, it's the shortboard room...

BulldogPup
6657 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:14PM
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No - imo & jmo

subasurf
WA, 2151 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:14PM
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Because 90 percent of them (yep, made that number up) are middle aged, semi-overweight, kook weekend warriors with no co-ordination or skill and no idea of surf etiquette and have no place in the line out on such a large, heavy and dangerous watercraft.

As always, the many spoiled it for the few.

I wouldn't say it's cool to hate SUP...just natural.

bakesy
WA, 682 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:16PM
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I've actually never been in a lineup that has had one in it, so not sure about whether the negative stuff is about being able to sit a kay out the back and get waves!! I'm a kneelo and have had to suffer the "haters" over the last twenty five years, think it's a culture thing. Shortboards have been deemed the way to fame and fortune so anything else is seen as less important or less of a rush by the sb's, therefore you must be weird to do anything else and must be reminded of this, by them!! Kiters vs Windsurfers or poleys as they call them is another example.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:19PM
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subasurf said...

Because 90 percent of them (yep, made that number up) are middle aged, semi-overweight, kook weekend warriors with no co-ordination or skill and no idea of surf etiquette and have no place in the line out on such a large, heavy and dangerous watercraft.

As always, the many spoiled it for the few.

I wouldn't say it's cool to hate SUP...just natural.


And how do you feel about the other 10%?

Woodo
WA, 792 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:19PM
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I don't hate SUP i just like to stir more than anything.
It's kind of like goat boaters and lids that use to be at the bottom of the pecking order. Now SUP is on the scene we just have someone else to pick on.

I'd like to see a duel between a G Boater and a SUP. They could use there paddles like swords. CHING CHING CHING

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:19PM
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This sup talk is all over the place,fair enough there is a sup forum but its spreading into SB and LB forums,just about to lock Lacey out of the LB cell

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:20PM
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Well, imo, SUPs are ok when -

A - They are not surfing at your beach, any part of it. [}:)]

B - They are only good when an esky is mounted to it.

C - Generally made from windsurf epoxy so crap for surfing.

D - All of the above.

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:20PM
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Woodo said...

I don't hate SUP i just like to stir more than anything.
It's kind of like goat boaters and lids that use to be at the bottom of the pecking order. Now SUP is on the scene we just have someone else to pick on.

I'd like to see a duel between a G Boater and a SUP. They could use there paddles like swords. CHING CHING CHING




or make gay porn,ching kaching oh daddy

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:22PM
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62mac said...

This sup talk is all over the place,fair enough there is a sup forum but its spreading into SB and LB forums,just about to lock Lacey out of the LB cell


CMC having a stir

subasurf
WA, 2151 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:22PM
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CMC said...


And how do you feel about the other 10%?


I've yet to ever see them in person. I am sure they do exist and if I did see them in the line out I would respect them like any real surfer.

I think the other thing that grinds my gears is: why? What is the point of SUP? I don't want to here this: "but we can ride waves you can't, when it's super small"
Waves that are too small to ride on a shortboard are borderline not worth riding at all Is it just a sport that allows high rolling executives to drive down in their Range Rover Sports with a board on the roof and show their board cougar wife that he's still got what it takes?

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:22PM
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bakesy said...

I've actually never been in a lineup that has had one in it, so not sure about whether the negative stuff is about being able to sit a kay out the back and get waves!! I'm a kneelo and have had to suffer the "haters" over the last twenty five years, think it's a culture thing. Shortboards have been deemed the way to fame and fortune so anything else is seen as less important or less of a rush by the sb's, therefore you must be weird to do anything else and must be reminded of this, by them!! Kiters vs Windsurfers or poleys as they call them is another example.


i think you are pretty right. yet the ones ive seen on the goldy northen beachies are a f..n disgrace and dangerous. yes i own sups[}:)]

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:23PM
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doggie said...

Well, imo, SUPs are ok when -

A - They are not surfing at your beach, any part of it. [}:)]

B - They are only good when an esky is mounted to it.

C - Generally made from windsurf epoxy so crap for surfing.

D - All of the above.




Does it annoy you if you were say surfing a peak 200m down the beach? Would there presence annoy you? Would you be thinking with a scowl on your face "SUP'ers eh, they better f'en not surf my peak tomorrow morning"

slainte
QLD, 2246 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:27PM
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subasurf said...

Because 90 percent of them (yep, made that number up) are middle aged, semi-overweight, kook weekend warriors with no co-ordination or skill and no idea of surf etiquette and have no place in the line out on such a large, heavy and dangerous watercraft.

As always, the many spoiled it for the few.

I wouldn't say it's cool to hate SUP...just natural.



Rode shorties years ago, got older and went to long boards,have often thought about going to SUP's but found sailing better for me at this stage in life. Haven,t surfed for about 3 years. Haven,t had much to do with SUP,s but I think you,ll find a teabaggin' for somethin different in all sports. In sailing we put **** on mono's if you sail a multi and vice versa. Each to there own.
By the way , off topic enjoyed our first surfing experience on moreton bay in a 20 foot Boomerang, running with 20 kts and 4to 6 ft swell. Exhilerating to say the least

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:28PM
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62mac said...

This sup talk is all over the place,fair enough there is a sup forum but its spreading into SB and LB forums,just about to lock Lacey out of the LB cell


Hey Mac I'm like a prostitute Rooster cock a doodle doo......

I have literally been riding a Mal lately, I can be in the LB Room, I always ride SB so I can be in here. I ride SUP in the surf and train with the boys so I'm OK in the SUP forum as well. I am in the manufacturers forum, the Outrigger forum as well.

I do lots of stuff my mates hang it on me for.....

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:33PM
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CMC said...

62mac said...

This sup talk is all over the place,fair enough there is a sup forum but its spreading into SB and LB forums,just about to lock Lacey out of the LB cell


Hey Mac I'm like a prostitute Rooster cock a doodle doo......

I have literally been riding a Mal lately, I can be in the LB Room, I always ride SB so I can be in here. I ride SUP in the surf and train with the boys so I'm OK in the SUP forum as well. I am in the manufacturers forum, the Outrigger forum as well.

I do lots of stuff my mates hang it on me for.....


how much sexy? im keen for someone who can do lots of things that society scolds

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:36PM
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CMC said...

doggie said...

Well, imo, SUPs are ok when -

A - They are not surfing at your beach, any part of it. [}:)]

B - They are only good when an esky is mounted to it.

C - Generally made from windsurf epoxy so crap for surfing.

D - All of the above.




Does it annoy you if you were say surfing a peak 200m down the beach? Would there presence annoy you? Would you be thinking with a scowl on your face "SUP'ers eh, they better f'en not surf my peak tomorrow morning"



Tbh, as long as they arnt snaking me or taking every wave ect I dont mind but its a bit intimadating when they are standing around waiting for waves and your sitting on your sb.
I was over at Rotto and we were running a sb comp and two noobs started to surf in our spot that we using, heaps of other places to surf that day but they had to come over and piss us off. They did cop a heap of greif for their trouble as one decided to get in the way of surfer on a wave, not popular [}:)]

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:36PM
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chrispychru said...

CMC said...

62mac said...

This sup talk is all over the place,fair enough there is a sup forum but its spreading into SB and LB forums,just about to lock Lacey out of the LB cell


Hey Mac I'm like a prostitute Rooster cock a doodle doo......

I have literally been riding a Mal lately, I can be in the LB Room, I always ride SB so I can be in here. I ride SUP in the surf and train with the boys so I'm OK in the SUP forum as well. I am in the manufacturers forum, the Outrigger forum as well.

I do lots of stuff my mates hang it on me for.....


how much sexy? im keen for someone who can do lots of things that society scolds


Let's just say it's more than chicken (or Rooster) feed

boofy
NSW, 2110 posts
23 Nov 2011 7:37PM
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subasurf said...

CMC said...


And how do you feel about the other 10%?


I've yet to ever see them in person. I am sure they do exist and if I did see them in the line out I would respect them like any real surfer.

I think the other thing that grinds my gears is: why? What is the point of SUP? I don't want to here this: "but we can ride waves you can't, when it's super small"
Waves that are too small to ride on a shortboard are borderline not worth riding at all Is it just a sport that allows high rolling executives to drive down in their Range Rover Sports with a board on the roof and show their board cougar wife that he's still got what it takes?

Is" line out" WA terminology thats twice now surely someone with your obvious years of surfing knowledge and profound philosophy on surfing etiquette should at least get that right

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:38PM
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boofy said...

subasurf said...

CMC said...


And how do you feel about the other 10%?


I've yet to ever see them in person. I am sure they do exist and if I did see them in the line out I would respect them like any real surfer.

I think the other thing that grinds my gears is: why? What is the point of SUP? I don't want to here this: "but we can ride waves you can't, when it's super small"
Waves that are too small to ride on a shortboard are borderline not worth riding at all Is it just a sport that allows high rolling executives to drive down in their Range Rover Sports with a board on the roof and show their board cougar wife that he's still got what it takes?

Is" line out" WA terminology thats twice now surely someone with your obvious years of surfing knowledge and profound philosophy on surfing etiquette should at least get that right




Typo

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:39PM
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yes, very much so. wouldn't have it any other way.

along with full custom tinted long board owners who drink coffee in the carpark, wannbe be cool like my surf hero's shortboard riders, but surf like retarts, no talent esky lid riders who in their twenties just look stupid, cripples.

yes i hate them all

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:40PM
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laceys lane said...

yes, very much so. wouldn't have it any other way.

along with full custom tinted long board owners who drink coffee in the carpark, wannbe be cool like my surf hero's shortboard riders, but surf like retarts, no talent esky lid riders who in their twenties just look stupid, cripples.

yes i hate them all


I've heard you are getting a Longboard......

Legion
WA, 2213 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:42PM
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I've surfed with them a few times. No problem. It's just that they're all moulded from the stereotype that suba wrote except in my experience it's 100% so far. I've watched the "World Tour" champion Dave-whatever once. To be fair the waves sucked. But he was struggling. Makes me wonder why bother using crap equipment?

I've surfed with them in pretty good waves. They become a bit difficult. Go too deep and struggle when they're caught inside. Funny.

I've laughed at them falling off standing on them waiting for waves. That's always funny.

I hate the wobbly leg look as they're paddling around.

I dread the day when they invade my personal space and/or threaten me with injury.

Why take them out when it's good? I've been out in some pretty awesome surf with them. What's the point? Tube dodging and trimming. It makes me think that the guys on them can't surf and are using them as a crutch (in fact I'm sure of it).

I could see myself getting one for messing around on flatwater. Preferably with a glass bottom for fish watching. Or for downwinding. But never for surfing, unless I can somehow do that and not shortboard any more, like from injury (seems a common theme in the SUP forum).

I've got nothing against individuals and will share the water with anyone. I've surfed with SUPs and boogers and longboards and will happily chat with anyone. I even surfed with a goatboater the other day, first time in years. He was a top bloke. But I'll reserve the right to stereotype groups based on what I see and know. Just don't hassle me (not likely at this stage).

I'm worried about how SUPs could be seen as attractive by more people in the non-surfer demographic and invade certain areas. E.g. suba's Tearooms. What will happen when that happens? Who knows? I'm too old to fight (much) but I'd love to send them in. It's not the place for it. It happened down the beach, at Isos. Didn't use to be 50-year-old mal rider heaven. I could see it happen at Kearnsy's too. That worries me. It's pretty perfect for SUPs unless it's (rarely) big enough to shut down. The demographic there is pretty old already. I'm not a local and wouldn't send anyone in. I've only seen one there and he was at N____ most of the time.

Etc.

Legion
WA, 2213 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:46PM
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boofy said...

subasurf said...

... line out ...

Is" line out" WA terminology thats twice now surely someone with your obvious years of surfing knowledge and profound philosophy on surfing etiquette should at least get that right


Suba's unique. After the "banks rolling through" comment nothing he says surprises me. And not knowing what any of the local breaks are called in the area he says he lives.

brownie49
NSW, 100 posts
23 Nov 2011 7:48PM
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I've been a shortboarder for over 37 years and ride a sup as well but only in certain conditions

I dont have a problem with anyone on any sort of craft as long as they know the ocean and can handle the conditions, have proper etiquette and not be a greedy wave hassling hog



laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:49PM
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Legion said...

I've surfed with them a few times. No problem. It's just that they're all moulded from the stereotype that suba wrote except in my experience it's 100% so far. I've watched the "World Tour" champion Dave-whatever once. To be fair the waves sucked. But he was struggling. Makes me wonder why bother using crap equipment?

I've surfed with them in pretty good waves. They become a bit difficult. Go too deep and struggle when they're caught inside. Funny.

I've laughed at them falling off standing on them waiting for waves. That's always funny.

I hate the wobbly leg look as they're paddling around.

I dread the day when they invade my personal space and/or threaten me with injury.

Why take them out when it's good? I've been out in some pretty awesome surf with them. What's the point? Tube dodging and trimming. It makes me think that the guys on them can't surf and are using them as a crutch (in fact I'm sure of it).

I could see myself getting one for messing around on flatwater. Preferably with a glass bottom for fish watching. Or for downwinding. But never for surfing, unless I can somehow do that and not shortboard any more, like from injury (seems a common theme in the SUP forum).

I've got nothing against individuals and will share the water with anyone. I've surfed with SUPs and boogers and longboards and will happily chat with anyone. I even surfed with a goatboater the other day, first time in years. He was a top bloke. But I'll reserve the right to stereotype groups based on what I see and know. Just don't hassle me (not likely at this stage).

I'm worried about how SUPs could be seen as attractive by more people in the non-surfer demographic and invade certain areas. E.g. suba's Tearooms. What will happen when that happens? Who knows? I'm too old to fight (much) but I'd love to send them in. It's not the place for it. It happened down the beach, at Isos. Didn't use to be 50-year-old mal rider heaven. I could see it happen at Kearnsy's too. That worries me. It's pretty perfect for SUPs unless it's (rarely) big enough to shut down. The demographic there is pretty old already. I'm not a local and wouldn't send anyone in. I've only seen one there and he was at N____ most of the time.

Etc.

hi, yes you know me. there is one time when sups shine, well around our area- goldie. when the swell gets big often there is hidious sweeps with it.

just about impossible to prone paddle a normal board

sups are the last paddle in surfers around before the tow in crews take over, be it with a paddle.

its actually quite a sight to see gun sups paddling in and tow crews out on the bigger days
cheers

Legion
WA, 2213 posts
23 Nov 2011 4:57PM
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E.g. you get kooks like these:



WTF is the point? That's just dangerous and stupid IMHO.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
23 Nov 2011 6:57PM
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CMC said...

laceys lane said...

yes, very much so. wouldn't have it any other way.

along with full custom tinted long board owners who drink coffee in the carpark, wannbe be cool like my surf hero's shortboard riders, but surf like retarts, no talent esky lid riders who in their twenties just look stupid, cripples.

yes i hate them all


I've heard you are getting a Longboard......


only at gunpoint or a bomb collar with mac on the remote

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Nov 2011 5:15PM
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Legion said...

E.g. you get kooks like these:

WTF is the point? That's just dangerous and stupid IMHO.


Seen that, if they want a ton of sand up the freckle thats up to them.

But they, regardless of the conditions should have been wearing leggies.

8ft + boards in big surf with no leggie is very f@*kin dangerous [}:)]

Legion
WA, 2213 posts
23 Nov 2011 5:24PM
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The grom that picks up the board should've punched out the fins.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
23 Nov 2011 5:28PM
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Legion said...

The grom that picks up the board should've punched out the fins.


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