Hi guys still learning. So I bought a second hand package and one of the sails the main one I want to use is a tushinghame 5.1m sail with 4.40luff length. I think it has a adjustable head strap. The smallest mast I have is 460. Can I use this or do I need to get a 430 with extension.cheers guys.

Mark _australia said..
It will be fine for what you're doing

Cheers mark. Appreciate the advice. Feel so amateur. In the lessons we learnt to rig the sail but the mast was already setup. I didn't realise there were so many options when I bought this package. Ultimately i bought this package coz i could only afford the money I spend but just seen another package comeup that would of been better but double the price. Always the case.

as Mark_from_Australia says - "it will be fine"
sometimes we worry too much
when beginning , one wants it to work - and not striving for perfection
if we are not racing or speed sailing - the ideal is NOT necessary
back in the day , many people rigged as follows
and had a lot of fun and there were MANY
over one foot extra - maybe so as not to hit the young lady
and yeah, i agree, a windsurf lesson should start at the beach with some equipment rigging

I have a different outlook on it.
Since windsurfing is so difficult to learn, I would think he would want the rig to be as user friendly as possible to accommodate with the learning curve. When I look back on learing to windsurf, I wish I would have taken lessons And I wish I knew about a windsurfing site like this to learn from and ask questions.

I can begin by saying that your 460 mast is too long and stiff for your 5 meter sail. You will probably find when you rig your 5 meter sail on your 460 mast is your battons will not rotate properly, your sail will not have a very good shape to it. These issues will effect the performance on the water leading you to not understand the proper feel of the rig. You will be fighting the rig much more guaranteed.

I would say this: Learn windsurfing correctly the first time with the correct mast in the correct sail. Your learning curve will be so much better and you will progress so much faster with the correct matching gear. What it really comes down to is balance when your sailing. You want the rig to be as balanced as possible while the wind is flowing across the sail, and that will only happen when everything fits just right. I sure wish I had that education when I learned, now you do. This is fantastic, valuable and free advice right here.

One more thing to clear up my point! Imagine going to the store and buying a small pair of socks for someone who has large feet. Will they fit? You might be a able to tug and stretch them around the foot, but guaranteed they Will feel awkward, cause they don't fit the correct size foot. As little as the word, PERFORMANCE sounds, it really becomes a big deal when windsurfing. There are a lot of variables with windsurfing, and when something is out of wack, it needs to be brought to one's attention. Cuz once again, windsurfing is all about being in equilibrium, balance and insinc with your rig.

Good luck

I have to agree with Magic, Windsurfing is hard enough as it is. Ideally you should buy the lightest kit that you can that all works together (so no mismatched masts/sails). So an RDM mast at least 60% carbon. A full cross-ply sail. A thin carbon boom. Unlike a huge beginner board, these things will last and last and last and will still be useful to you as you progress. And committing serious money will make you less likely to throw in in the towel.

Magic Ride said..
I have a different outlook on it.
Since windsurfing is so difficult to learn, I would think he would want the rig to be as user friendly as possible to accommodate with the learning curve. When I look back on learing to windsurf, I wish I would have taken lessons And I wish I knew about a windsurfing site like this to learn from and ask questions.

I can begin by saying that your 460 mast is too long and stiff for your 5 meter sail. You will probably find when you rig your 5 meter sail on your 460 mast is your battons will not rotate properly, your sail will not have a very good shape to it. These issues will effect the performance on the water leading you to not understand the proper feel of the rig. You will be fighting the rig much more guaranteed.

I would say this: Learn windsurfing correctly the first time with the correct mast in the correct sail. Your learning curve will be so much better and you will progress so much faster with the correct matching gear. What it really comes down to is balance when your sailing. You want the rig to be as balanced as possible while the wind is flowing across the sail, and that will only happen when everything fits just right. I sure wish I had that education when I learned, now you do. This is fantastic, valuable and free advice right here.

One more thing to clear up my point! Imagine going to the store and buying a small pair of socks for someone who has large feet. Will they fit? You might be a able to tug and stretch them around the foot, but guaranteed they Will feel awkward, cause they don't fit the correct size foot. As little as the word, PERFORMANCE sounds, it really becomes a big deal when windsurfing. There are a lot of variables with windsurfing, and when something is out of wack, it needs to be brought to one's attention. Cuz once again, windsurfing is all about being in equilibrium, balance and insinc with your rig.

Good luck

I think magic is smoking too much of the green stuff they grow in the forest down in Southern Oregon. The mast will work fine and you wont notice any difference, 99% of the windsurfers in the world wouldn't. Rigging the sail correctly would be more important than getting the right mast. Best suggestion is to get some advice from some experienced windsurfers on the beach who know what they are talking about. Get them to show you how to rig and set up your gear properly. Maybe magic should put one of those socks in it before giving advice in future!

Hate to say it magic but I would use a 460 on a 5.1 if it has an adjustable head cap. I would then set it up as low to the deck as possible and adjust both the outhaul and downhaul until I got the sail shaped correctly. Add is some batten tension and I would then strap on a gps and go out and test the sail. I'd then analyse the data I downhaul from the gps to maximise performance. I'd tune the sail until it was perfect then go out and find you on the water and give you the bird as I sail by. So yes I am a hypocrite and have no idea what I am talking about! You may want to lay off the weed in Klammath falls mate.

Roo,

The 460 mast is going to be way too stiff fot the 5.1... What's you're solution for that?

There for the battons won't set correctly regardless of batton tension and the shape of the sail will be off and will affect a lot of other variables along the way. Honestly, can you really preach that is a good choice setup for a beginner? I just strongly feel that's leading someone in the wrong direction.

Roo, you also have no idea if you think it will definitely work. Might, might not.

FIGHT , FIGHT , FIGHT


I dont feel the love in the room

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!! Thx IMAX. You are truly the cats meow...I always say, love your avitar!! Very chillaxin looking cat.

Also, to be fair, I also think Magic usually has no idea.

You could park your Porsche next to his Astin Martin

Love you too Sparky...

Roo said..

Sparky said..
You could park your Porsche next to his Astin Martin

Jeez Sparky get it right. It's Aston not Astin as in Aston Martian!

Dear Root, sorry your write. I blame smell cheque.

Magic Ride said..
I have a different outlook on it.
Since windsurfing is so difficult to learn, I would think he would want the rig to be as user friendly as possible to accommodate with the learning curve. When I look back on learing to windsurf, I wish I would have taken lessons And I wish I knew about a windsurfing site like this to learn from and ask questions.

I can begin by saying that your 460 mast is too long and stiff for your 5 meter sail. You will probably find when you rig your 5 meter sail on your 460 mast is your battons will not rotate properly, your sail will not have a very good shape to it. These issues will effect the performance on the water leading you to not understand the proper feel of the rig. You will be fighting the rig much more guaranteed.

I would say this: Learn windsurfing correctly the first time with the correct mast in the correct sail. Your learning curve will be so much better and you will progress so much faster with the correct matching gear. What it really comes down to is balance when your sailing. You want the rig to be as balanced as possible while the wind is flowing across the sail, and that will only happen when everything fits just right. I sure wish I had that education when I learned, now you do. This is fantastic, valuable and free advice right here.

One more thing to clear up my point! Imagine going to the store and buying a small pair of socks for someone who has large feet. Will they fit? You might be a able to tug and stretch them around the foot, but guaranteed they Will feel awkward, cause they don't fit the correct size foot. As little as the word, PERFORMANCE sounds, it really becomes a big deal when windsurfing. There are a lot of variables with windsurfing, and when something is out of wack, it needs to be brought to one's attention. Cuz once again, windsurfing is all about being in equilibrium, balance and insinc with your rig.

Good luck

Dear Magic Ride,
In my opinion you can not compare socks with sail. Two different subject. There are complicated physical rules between wind and sail. Like plane wings. I have one question for you. Why do the sail designers produce vario sails? Answer is very simple. To use the long mast with small sails. If we think the physical rules, extension is not a good solution. Because mast stiffness and extension stiffness is not the same. Eventually, relationship between mast and sail is complex event. We can find the exact answer in the wind tunnel. Bye,

Melih.